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 Vaktathi wrote:
I would love to see suppressors get off the NFA, ive been holding off getting an Osprey for my Scorpion until the stamp wait is under 6 months, but I'm just not optimistic itll ever happen

Really Id like to see the NFA gone entirely, or at least just limit it to MG's and DD's (and remove the hughes amendment), just judging on history though it doesnt seem like anyone is ever willing to touch the NFA.

Hoping this pulls through. I've had a suppressor in jail for about a month now...should have it in time for NEXT hunting season. Meh...

Oh I would love a lessening of NFA regulations.

I need a 300BLK suppressed SBR in my life.

The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

MGs will only come down when FOPA gets repealed, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

Aye... :(

Just when I could finally have gotten into that game, stuff that had gone for $3500 or $5k for 15 years or more is now going for twice that over the last 4 or 5 years. Who would have though M11's would start at $7k?

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

For the time being, based on the number of people waiting on their stamp, we are telling customers to brace for a 12 month wait on approval.
Unless of course the new president changes things, in which case suppressors for all!

Ill just be happy when prices on AR and AK parts goes down. Lack of available lowers and the price of the remaining ones are is a huge hurdle in the wife signing off on my build.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Aye... :(

Just when I could finally have gotten into that game, stuff that had gone for $3500 or $5k for 15 years or more is now going for twice that over the last 4 or 5 years. Who would have though M11's would start at $7k?

The sad thing is that when I owned a Cobray M11 9mm, the coast of everything (weapon, stamp, fingerprinting, sales tax, sign-off on the Form 4, passport sized photos) came out to be roughly 1700 bucks. But this was back in the mid-90's.



It's almost unbelievable that the (formerly) cheaper options like STEN Mk. IIs and M11/M10s are so damned high. But then again, I remember 1500 dollar M1 Thompsons back in the early 1980's.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

For the time being, based on the number of people waiting on their stamp, we are telling customers to brace for a 12 month wait on approval.
Unless of course the new president changes things, in which case suppressors for all!

Never understood why suppressors were restricted in the first place. Someone based policies on Hollywood.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

For the time being, based on the number of people waiting on their stamp, we are telling customers to brace for a 12 month wait on approval.
Unless of course the new president changes things, in which case suppressors for all!

12 months? Holy crap...fun store told me 6 mo.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

For the time being, based on the number of people waiting on their stamp, we are telling customers to brace for a 12 month wait on approval.
Unless of course the new president changes things, in which case suppressors for all!

12 months? Holy crap...fun store told me 6 mo.

That's been the case, but there is a massive backlog all the way back from July 1st when people were trying to beat the redefinition of a trust as well as the election. We heard from ATF that its turned to a crawl. Not sure where you are in the process, wish the best for you!


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The biggest thing to look forward to in the immediate future is hoping the wait times will come down now that the 41f craze is over and Hillary-doom wont be driving the markets into insanity the way they went in 2008 and 2012.

MG prices I fear will never come down to pre 2008 levels :(

For the time being, based on the number of people waiting on their stamp, we are telling customers to brace for a 12 month wait on approval.
Unless of course the new president changes things, in which case suppressors for all!

Never understood why suppressors were restricted in the first place. Someone based policies on Hollywood.

No actually, the game wardens and farmer and ranchers pushed for it in 1934. People were poaching what they could to feed their families during the Great Depression, which included wild game and herded livestock. I cant wait for HPA to pass. Fingers crossed!

Just got my suppressor out of jail! Submitted March 26th, approved November 05th, received November 16th, 235 days!...

The wait time right now is pretty ridiculous. I won't see the other suppressor until mid to late next year. Form 1 SBRs are just as bad, I have one submitted in June and the other July. So far it looks like ill be lucky if i get the June stamp back this year, looking more like January 2017, the other one will be February or March 2017.

I would not hold my breath on the hearing protection act, if you want a can get it now. If the HPA does get passed any suppressor tax from October 2015 on up will get refunded.

 Ruberu wrote:
Just got my suppressor out of jail!

Huzzah!

Submitted March 26th, approved November 05th, received November 16th, 235 days!...

That...that hurts. I thought the 90 day wait on my Scorpion was bad.

My plans for an SBR for next year are feeling painful already

I would not hold my breath on the hearing protection act, if you want a can get it now.

Aye, as much as I'd hope for it to pass, I'm not expecting anything, the GOP might fight new anti-gun legislation, but going by history don't seem terribly interested in being proactive about overturning existing legislation.

I don't think we have crossed that line yet, but we got a new POTUS and Congress getting ready to be sworn into office in a couple months.

Figured it would be a good reminder for all of us to be mindful of checking the politics of guns at the door to keep this thread healthy and unlocked. We need another 90 pages of healthy gun talk and sharing pictures!

CptJake wrote:Yeah, I'm hoping for that, and a return to cheaper and readily available ammo in all calibers.

It might be a short post, but Amen to this.

I saw this and immediately decided I wanted to build one next year. SBR with an Echo or Binary trigger and a shorty can while sporting that drum mag? Why yes, I'll take that 21st century Tommy gun.



Fingers crossed that NFA wait times go down

 Vaktathi wrote:
I saw this and immediately decided I wanted to build one next year. SBR with an Echo or Binary trigger and a shorty can while sporting that drum mag? Why yes, I'll take that 21st century Tommy gun.



Fingers crossed that NFA wait times go down

Man, who would have thought a California-compliant stock would look so cool. Even though I live in a free state that might happen .

Well, the CA compliant version has the thumbhole stock blocked up, can't have thumbhole stocks on semi-auto's in CA

But yeah, totally building one of those, gonna pick up the receiver and get the NFA paperwork started in the next couple weeks.

Please leave the gun debates in other threads. This one has lasted because the gun haters have stayed out. I suggest not responding to the questions/statements. If they want to know something start a thread.

yellowfever wrote:
Please leave the gun debates in other threads.

Indeed.

This thread is quite specific.

The gun debate has been done to death, both on here and elsewhere.

This thread is not the place for any such discussion.

Apologies for the disruption.

Yesterday had a buddy and his two teenaged daughters over for the day. Went kayaking then took out a few rifles and a couple pistols an blew through a bunch of ammo.

So late this morning I'm chilling out and cleaning the toys we fired yesterday.

I've realized, gas tube/DI get a feth LOAD dirtier than piston gunz, and cleaning the star chamber area just sucks booty.

/still find cleaning rifles a therapeutic/zen like activity

 CptJake wrote:
Yesterday had a buddy and his two teenaged daughters over for the day. Went kayaking then took out a few rifles and a couple pistols an blew through a bunch of ammo.

So late this morning I'm chilling out and cleaning the toys we fired yesterday.

I've realized, gas tube/DI get a feth LOAD dirtier than piston gunz, and cleaning the star chamber area just sucks booty.

/still find cleaning rifles a therapeutic/zen like activity

DI guns are notably dirtier than piston guns, and that's always been one of the things people hold against them, though the worst I think are roller delayed blowback in my experience. 50 rounds through a G3 and the insides look like 200 through my AR

That said, the roller delayed blowback is a much more violent action in general that doesn't seem to care as much about being dirty either.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Yesterday had a buddy and his two teenaged daughters over for the day. Went kayaking then took out a few rifles and a couple pistols an blew through a bunch of ammo.

So late this morning I'm chilling out and cleaning the toys we fired yesterday.

I've realized, gas tube/DI get a feth LOAD dirtier than piston gunz, and cleaning the star chamber area just sucks booty.

/still find cleaning rifles a therapeutic/zen like activity

DI guns are notably dirtier than piston guns, and that's always been one of the things people hold against them, though the worst I think are roller delayed blowback in my experience. 50 rounds through a G3 and the insides look like 200 through my AR

That said, the roller delayed blowback is a much more violent action in general that doesn't seem to care as much about being dirty either.

Yeah, I have an HK-91 and understand what you're saying...

Recently got my hands on a CZ527, absolutely gorgeous little rifle.

Magazine fed bolt action carbine, chambered in 7.62x39 so it's cheap to shoot. It's also obscenely accurate (key holing at 100 yards.)

Not cheap. But you get what you pay for...

Took the new priest to his first shooting match (IDPA). He did just fine. Fun to watch.

Also I won my division-first time evah (SSP). Tee hee!

 Cothonian wrote:
It's also obscenely accurate (key holing at 100 yards.)

You know what "key-holing" means, right?

Swear that meant second shot going through the near exact same spot, typically half inch or less below the original shot?


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...and just looked that up. That's what I get for bringing local range jargon to the interwebs.

Rifle does not key hole, it simply hits the same spot over and over again at 100 yards.

 Cothonian wrote:
Swear that meant second shot going through the near exact same spot, typically half inch or less below the original shot?


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...and just looked that up. That's what I get for bringing local range jargon to the interwebs.

Rifle does not key hole, it simply hits the same spot over and over again at 100 yards.

To be fair, I thought the second shot going through near the exact same spot was what you meant by keyholing as well. The actual definition makes sense as well though.

Threading the Needle, perhaps?

"Cloverleaf" is the phrase I'm familiar with for that, due to the shape of the hole left in the target.