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Hmm. Maybe to promote more funding they should add something else to the 60,000 pound stretch goal. a new limited edition model perhaps? While I much prefer plastic over resin, just getting plastic doesn't really generate excitement.

Eh, it'll start going up again, but I figure they'll issue another update with some tidbits when the full forums go up today (well today for people in the UK, it is still yesterday for me ). What will really get things rolling is an official update outlining the "credit" system that allows you to swap starters for add-ons. That alone will make the upper-levels a lot more enticing for people who don't want 2-3 copies of a starter.

So far the rundown is that each starter is worth £30 and each additional "troop" selection of a level is worth £12 (so you aren't punished for grabbing cheap units now). Since a lot of the upper levels are adding on extras for below even the KS price (the increase from Razide to DL is only £25 for what is normally a £30 upgrade, for example) it will possibly prod a lot of people to increase their pledges a bit to grab more add-ons. It was certainly what spurred me to up mine. But it is a pretty big update to the main page, so my guess is it and the FAQ are waiting on the Website/Forum roll-out that will occur (hopefully) today/morrow.

Hopefully that'll help. Part of my argument is entirely self serving, I do want more cheap stuff. However i do have to agree with some detractors who have stated there should be more free stuff or better deals to entice people as that does help get people to pledge. Personally I'm pledging either way because I want this to do well but there are some who need to feel like it's a bargin..

Being a big Mutant Chronicles fan Im interested but in all honesty their prices and bonuses dont seem very good for a kickstarter....better to just wait for retail/online re-sellers.

If they increase the benefits me/others might commit

They would prolly get more but right now there seems to very little incentive IMO.

Something that Prodos should put up is stretch goal for 65K.

1. Why Tatsumoto has bare forearms? He should wear armoured gloves. It is TG armour after all.
2. Why Necromutant has CC 17? If all stats are between 1-20 then he should be max 14.

brynolf wrote:
Yes, I don't understand the CCG accusation at all. These cards are not that different from the strategy cards in 40K 2nd ed or Fog of War cards in Tomorrow's war (IIRC).

For me it is more on the CCG site since I have to build a deck, I can tweak my deck and I have card playing rules (tapping resource cards, timing etc) that are very similar to CCGs.
IMO more than the games you mention.

But for me it basically boils down to "what I like when playing miniature games".
I like beautifully scenery and even more beautifully painted minis on the tabletop with as less gaming materials on the table as possible.

Marker, dice, cards - all distraction for me that has to be kept to a minimum.
And the rules as they are right now would force me to clutter the table with playing cards... (or use a second table)

In addition I found it very awkward right now to actually build a deck from the pdf provided. Just to get a reasonable number of resource cards I have to print the page with the res card many times over... :(
A good idea would a be a full pre-sorted deck to use right away.

Our Beta Forum is up:

forum.warzonegame.com


Some proposed changes to v1.1 , can be discussed at our forum

WIP of WZR for v1.1

Warzone Resurrection Basic Beta Rules additions to v1.0

Resource cards: ‘Turn to Burn’ one resource card to:
- Gain 1 action point for each ‘Res’ spend (up to a maximum of 3 per phase)
- Gain a Heal(4) for ONE Wound Effect. This can only be attempted once per wound


Tactical Cards: Changed from "they can be issued any point in the game" to "they can only be used between activation of models"

Morale Test: As with ‘Recovery from Pinning’, you can spend one action at the beginning of the units activation to attempt to ‘Regroup from Broken’. This attempt costs all in the squad one action point. This action CAN be repeated twice per activation.

Actions:
Move - Minus one to RoF is removed.
Engaged Action - Changed to basic action (1 Action point). An ‘Engage’ action can only be completed if the target is in range. If the distance moved is reduced and target can not be reached, the ‘engage move’ counts as a Run action (which costs 2 actions).
-Aim Action: same as before plus +2 to St of the shot.

- Rapid fire (advanced action) - RoF of model is increased by ONE, but RS (Range Skill is reduced by 2 for each shot).
- Sentry Action (advanced action (2 action points)
)- you can place up to TWO models per squad in ‘Sentry’. Models in Sentry can use ONE action (cannot be increased by any means) during the enemy’s activation phase. The following ‘Sentry’ actions are allowed: Shooting, Close Combat OR Move).

"Lost Command Chain" - Only occurs when the starting squad leader dies and lasts for the rest of the game
Special Rules:added: - "Spray" – weapons with RoF higher than 1 automatically have the ‘Spray’. Nominate a primary target and a secondary target (within 3" of the primary). Allocate the shots to each target as you wish (remembering modifiers for obscured targets).
'Get the Gun'
When a model with a heavy or a special weapon is removed from play a squad member within 3" can attempt utilise the weapon. Roll a D20, on a roll of 1-10 the weapon is saved (swap the special/heavy model for the normal trooper), on a 11+ the weapon is damaged and unusable. A squad leader can not attempt this roll.

 AAN wrote:

In addition I found it very awkward right now to actually build a deck from the pdf provided. Just to get a reasonable number of resource cards I have to print the page with the res card many times over... :(
A good idea would a be a full pre-sorted deck to use right away.

I'm with Agis on this one. Could we get a page of nothing but resource cards at least?

 Octopussy wrote:
Something that Prodos should put up is stretch goal for 65K.

I fully agree on that. Having 5k goals with small rewards (a new mini or something like that) can be a strong incentive. Speaking just for myself, the 70k goal does not appeal at all to me, while the right kind of stretch goal in between (at 65k) could make me increase my pledge and so contribute also indirectly to the funding of the bigger one (70k goal).

Just to make something clear, I am not asking necessarily for freebies (although I would not say no), just for minis that would make me want throw more cash through my screen

robertsjf wrote:

 AAN wrote:

In addition I found it very awkward right now to actually build a deck from the pdf provided. Just to get a reasonable number of resource cards I have to print the page with the res card many times over... :(
A good idea would a be a full pre-sorted deck to use right away.

I'm with Agis on this one. Could we get a page of nothing but resource cards at least?

This will happen in the shortly to be released v1.1 of the basic beta rules!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Yeah, right now the shoulders aren't really matching up to the more streamlined concept piece and seems to be trying to capture the huge-pauldron demographic. Either further towards the huge, horizontal pads or smaller and slimmer like the concept. They are the only bit that is bugging me right now. But either way it is a WIP so still time to tweak and improve. Than and I'm waiting to see the render of the second head option with the more pronounced helmet, that was my favourite concept head that they ended up choosing.

This head definitely reminds me of the helmetless mask of the Ducal Militia sergeant.

The details on the rest are looking pretty good as well.

I'd just like to see a few different shoulder pad tweaks since the current ones just aren't doing it for me. But knowing Prodos they'll have a few extra examples and tweaks up their sleeves (remember the difference between the WIP riding pants on Angelika and the more finished one, Prodos are pretty good when it comes to finishing touches).

I am also torn on the sleeves. Maybe a few different arm options with bracers and some with rolled sleeves. They wont always be fighting in the ice rings after all. But for a WIP, it is looking pretty good.

Edit - Looking better already!

I just came across it and I thought that it would be interesting to present it here as an example about how shoulderpads/pauldrons can look both realistic and sci-fi enough:



Maybe Prodos could get some inspiration from these?

 Azazelx wrote:

Mongoose has had Judge Dredd and currently has Rogue Trooper. Which doesn't mean anything specific as we don't know the intricacies of Mongoose's deal with Rebellion or Prodos' deal with Paradox, but people like to keep bandying the "It's licenced, that means they simply can't offer deals!" - so it's worth pointing out. As for deals, they could clearly do better if they chose to, assuming they're going to sell to retailers or even moreso if they plan to sell to wholesalers. They're clearly not choosing to, so c'est la vie.

Mongoose Publishing is owned by Rebellion; Rebellion bought 2000AD back in 2000 and Mongoose in 2008. So there's really no licensing deals there...

Razide has has a nice special on its stat card
Spend 1 Res: Make reroll of failed armour test

And the 60k stretch goal is reached! "Only" 20k more for the first Capitol!

In the meantime, I would love to see some Armoured Chasseur renders

Hmm, because I'm a skeptic I'll hold my celebration for a few hours. If someone were trolling with a big £3000 bid, now would be the time to plunge it. But maybe I spend too much time on internet forums and my faith in humanity has eroded a little.

But if true, then that is great news and occurred a lot faster than I would have expected.

Prodos wrote:

robertsjf wrote:

 AAN wrote:

In addition I found it very awkward right now to actually build a deck from the pdf provided. Just to get a reasonable number of resource cards I have to print the page with the res card many times over... :(
A good idea would a be a full pre-sorted deck to use right away.

I'm with Agis on this one. Could we get a page of nothing but resource cards at least?

This will happen in the shortly to be released v1.1 of the basic beta rules!

Thanks!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Hmm, because I'm a skeptic I'll hold my celebration for a few hours. If someone were trolling with a big £3000 bid, now would be the time to plunge it. But maybe I spend too much time on internet forums and my faith in humanity has eroded a little.

But if true, then that is great news and occurred a lot faster than I would have expected.

Well, I am not sure if I am too trusty, but on the bright side, Prodos will announce soon a 65k stretch goal.

and here is: an extra £65k stretch goal:

Will the front page be updating to show the 5% off prices when we get there? Always looks good to have a bunch of slashed prices stacked on top of each other. It would also make planning out purchases easier. And do all the trade-ins still trade for their original value? Will my spare starter trade in for the full £30?

Either way, congrats on reaching £60k!

Hm.. 5% off retail prices.
1 free figure when you back at £250+ (US$377+)
4 free figures when you back at £700+ (US$1062+)

I guess it's better than nothing if you're already backing at that level, but it's hardly an incentive for someone who is somewhat interested but still on the sidelines to jump on board...

It adds an incentive to add on an add-on if you've already pledged. Which makes sense. Considering it's a bonus stretch goal that wasn't on the original list, this is pretty good.

 praetor24 wrote:
And the 60k stretch goal is reached! "Only" 20k more for the first Capitol!

In the meantime, I would love to see some Armoured Chasseur renders

Man I'm on the fence with what I'd want to see between Chassuers and Peoples volunteers.... don't they look similar? Those volunteers could go concept as is. That look is not dated. I'd get a few of those

 agustin wrote:
It adds an incentive to add on an add-on if you've already pledged. Which makes sense. Considering it's a bonus stretch goal that wasn't on the original list, this is pretty good.

Yep, I'll certainly pay that point. If you're already on board it's nice.

 Azazelx wrote:
Hm.. 5% off retail prices.
1 free figure when you back at £250+ (US$377+)
4 free figures when you back at £700+ (US$1062+)

I guess it's better than nothing if you're already backing at that level, but it's hardly an incentive for someone who is somewhat interested but still on the sidelines to jump on board...

Actually, according to the quoted price it is 5% off of the KS Price. If it were 5% off of the retail price then it would cost £12.35 (rounded off to the nearest .05 increment). At £11.40 it means we are getting 5% off of the already £1 lower price. Works out to about 14% off at this point (on unit boxes). And if you add in the swap-out deals where you can upgrade to a level for ~£25 and get a £30 starter out of the deal (which can be traded out at face value), then the savings start getting pretty good on a lot of items. And with free shipping in the UK and the ability to get, effectively, £5 shipping outside the UK (if you go for a large order, to be fair) then this is a much better value than I could hope to receive locally or even from an online retailer.

Shipping an order this size from the Warstore would land me in the $30+ shipping range which would eat right through the 20% off I would expect. Calculating things out (for me) back of the napkin style, I'm saving $20-30 on my order over what I would expect from most of my go-to stores (I wont even mention Canadian retailers, between high shipping and high taxes I am usually better off ordering from across the border). So for non-USAians, it is already a pretty good deal at the higher levels, and the flat shipping of £5 on the higher levels is insane the higher you go. Depending on my fundage down the line I will definitely be pushing this higher. When they introduce the 5% off I'll be able to afford to pump a bit more in (mostly random extras like the cards and maybe some extra dice; can never have too many D20's).

I can still see why some would wait for retail of course, people in the US are spoiled for low shipping costs and good discounts from retailer (and taxes that aren't insane). Depending on whether VAT is included in the listed RRP, Brits are still probably getting a good deal.

But either way you slice it, the deal gets better as time goes on and it has already succeeded quite nicely and continues to do well enough to justify its own existence. And at the very least, all the people waiting for retail at least got to take a look at the price of things as they will appear at retailers and can start planning accordingly and prodding their retailers and LGS to carry this stuff when it comes out. Whether they pledge or not, they are at least a potential built-in audience when all of this is said and done and the game is ready to ship. As far as I see, it is all win for Prodos. Back now as an early adopter or buy later from retail, it all feeds and grows the company and the game.

In which province are you, Ronin?

Quebec has pretty steep taxes, but I order from Meeplemart, and they have an almost flat 11$ shipping rate to my place (as long as I don't exceed the "box of boxed games" shipping size) and I only pay GST. And Steve is very swell, has a good staff, they ship quick and answer rather fast to queries.

British Columbia, so according to the site-info I'm tied for second highest shipping price at $16 (nice to see I can share my pain with two of the three territories). Man, poor Nunavut though. And then our Harmonized Sales Tax weighs in at another 12%. The Warstore usually edges them out a few bucks lower on most orders since the extra flat rate on shipping usually isn't as high as the extras I pay in taxes from ordering in-country. Oddly speed isn't different between them either, even after taking customs in to account.

I do get the occasional thing from them though (good boardgame selection). But everytime I get quotes between them for wargaming stuff, The Warstore is just a bit cheaper.

I really wish there was a good West Coast online retailer. Oh well.

@Prodos will you be attending salute this year? Be nice to see a demo or selection of mini's in the flesh as it were.

these shoulders look good to me... face is meh


also found this...
http://www.mutantpedia.com/Immagini,%20Avatar%20e%20Video/Immagini%20Mutant%20Chronicles/Varie/color.html

 5deadly wrote:

 praetor24 wrote:
And the 60k stretch goal is reached! "Only" 20k more for the first Capitol!

In the meantime, I would love to see some Armoured Chasseur renders

Man I'm on the fence with what I'd want to see between Chassuers and Peoples volunteers.... don't they look similar? Those volunteers could go concept as is. That look is not dated. I'd get a few of those

The Armoured Chasseurs' art is already done (check the pic), this is why I mention these. It is more realistic to expect their renders first. But Peoples' Volunteers are next in my wish list.




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 5deadly wrote:
these shoulders look good to me... face is meh


also found this...
http://www.mutantpedia.com/Immagini,%20Avatar%20e%20Video/Immagini%20Mutant%20Chronicles/Varie/color.html

I have to concur on the shoulderpads. Although I do not find the helmet bad either.