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 Goat wrote:
So is Death from the Skies official 40k rules cover to cover? I know some people will choose not to use some rules for whatever butthurt reasons, but in my area we play up to date offical rules. Are the dog fight rules no longer optional?

No one has the book. No one can answer what in the book is optional and what isn't, yet.

Also comparing to the vendetta is a moot point. Everyone knows the vendetta is total bs for its points and nothing going forward is likely to be that bs anymore.

Also it is pointless to compare it to a vendetta unless you are considering taking a vendetta.

 Leth wrote:
Also comparing to the vendetta is a moot point. Everyone knows the vendetta is total bs for its points and nothing going forward is likely to be that bs anymore.

Also it is pointless to compare it to a vendetta unless you are considering taking a vendetta.

This. If you compare anything to a Vendetta it looks crap, whether it's a flier or a ground unit. "Man I'm not gonna take this Tri-LC pred, it's more expensive and less durable than a Vendetta."

Judge units on their own merits, not by comparing them to overpowered or undercosted units. The Stormraven is a decent flier, it's got a lot of weapons for blowing fliers out the sky, and PotMS means you can damage two fliers per turn (or more often, shoot hurricane bolters at an infantry unit).

The transport isn't great...but throwing a small bolter scout unit in there might not be a terrible idea. Cheap scoring unit that's relatively safe, to jump out onto an objective late game.

I understand your counterpoint, but its really hard and frankly a bit humiliating when everyone raves about the Stormraven, and when I run them, they just get fragged by Vendettas. There are now 4 vendetta spam lists at my local game store, and 5 or 6 more people that have them attached as allies. It only takes two of them to wreck a stormraven in a single turn. They are literally impossible to ignore.

It's also frustrating that the IG can actually take advantage of the transport capacity. The vanilla marines or BT might be willing to as well, but I feel that with BA, my model count is so low that I simply can't take the chance.

I've considered leaving the Stormraven out of my TAC lists, but I need the anti-flier against Orks and CSM. Yes, I actually see the bombas pretty frequently.


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 Messy0 wrote:
Can anyone confirm that the Storm Raven is a heavy support for GK now? Because that would just be terrible
Not only do we now loose the ability to take the combination of multiple Storm Ravens/DK and Psyfuldreads but we loose our best fast attack while Vanilla gain the ability to take 6 flyers?! WTF

Sorry, I have no sympathy at all for anything that happens to the GK. I thought it was garbage they got the Stormraven to begin with.

 Messy0 wrote:
Can anyone confirm that the Storm Raven is a heavy support for GK now? Because that would just be terrible
Not only do we now loose the ability to take the combination of multiple Storm Ravens/DK and Psyfuldreads but we loose our best fast attack while Vanilla gain the ability to take 6 flyers?! WTF

The FAQ covers this.

 kronk wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
Can anyone confirm that the Storm Raven is a heavy support for GK now? Because that would just be terrible
Not only do we now loose the ability to take the combination of multiple Storm Ravens/DK and Psyfuldreads but we loose our best fast attack while Vanilla gain the ability to take 6 flyers?! WTF

The FAQ covers this.

I'm sorry I'm a little slow, but that means they haven't changed in codex GK? That they'd always be fast attack? Instead of being like the C:SM one and being in heavy support right?

Based on the FAQ it sure seems that way.

They stayed in their normal slot, no change on that front. Storm Ravens really didnt change other than losing deep strike in the rules department.

Chancetragedy wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Messy0 wrote:
Can anyone confirm that the Storm Raven is a heavy support for GK now? Because that would just be terrible
Not only do we now loose the ability to take the combination of multiple Storm Ravens/DK and Psyfuldreads but we loose our best fast attack while Vanilla gain the ability to take 6 flyers?! WTF

The FAQ covers this.

I'm sorry I'm a little slow, but that means they haven't changed in codex GK? That they'd always be fast attack? Instead of being like the C:SM one and being in heavy support right?

Correct. The Death from the Skies book (apparently) erroneously moved the GK Storm Raven to Heavy Support, like everyone else. This FAQ moves the SR back to Fast Attack, as it is in the GK codex.

Is this book actually out? I'm worried about a stormraven price increase.

Martel732 wrote:
Is this book actually out? I'm worried about a stormraven price increase.

it will never go above the price of two land raiders, dont worry

Not very comforting, lol.

THere are three threads in news and rumors covering this. All of the questions raised here have been answered there.

There has been a change to the Storm Raven price.

Thread concerning retailers reaction to the Flier book.

Thread containing discussion around the FAQ's that the flier book created.

Actual discussion about the release.