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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
everyone is panicing like with the burning chariot and the plague flies, and they are fantastic models, and if I remember correctly, when the pics were first shown, everyone hated them,

Guilty as charged, I hated those based on the leaks, but when the 3D rotations went up, I pre-ordered both immediately.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

But can you enhance them?

If I recall, the hate directed at the Plague Flies was mostly since Heavy Metal had built the display set using an optional unit upgrade that gave them a Snuffleupagus trunk.

I would actually be all over the Sun Shark if there was a Crisis Suit transport option. The ability to build it so Crisis Suits and Broadsides could fit underneath would be amazing.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Earthbeard wrote:
but the Tau stuff looks solid, none of it really looks out of place with the current models

Except all of it, but yeah, otherwise all solid.

Well, not literally all, the plastic pathfinders might be nice.

Sure it's added on some new flairs But it's not as jarring as the CSM releases or the Dreadknight etc, I think the aesthetics are close enough to the current range, purely my opinion of course.

I'd like better shots of the pathfinders, as the prices for the new suits/flayers just leave me cold inside, so are likely never to get purchased short of maybe the broadside? dependent on better pics.

Actually, gun ships and bombers ARE designed to go up against enemy fighters. Are they designed to win? No, but they are designed to survive or live long enough for friendly support to arrive.

That drone is not designed with that in mind. It is designed to die in an enemy attack. And die within the first couple seconds.

Is there any news on Kroot or Vespid units?

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There was some talk of updates to the Auxiliaries, but that talk seemed to evaporate with this leak.

Seems like it will either be a section in the Tau Codex dedicated to Auxilliaries or they will appear in a new Lesser Factions/Allies Expansion.

 Earthbeard wrote:
But it's not as jarring as the CSM releases or the Dreadknight etc

I think the Riptide makes the Dreadknight look fantastic; same for the Tau flyer and the Stormraven.

Considering all the work I have put in to modify those kits because they look so bad I never thought I would hold their stock appearances in higher regards than another kit, let alone one from an army with such a well focused motif as Tau.

Whelp guess I will be converting that flyer to look more like a Predator Drone and custom build a flyer for the gunship.

It appears that the Riptide has those animal hind legs that everyone was hoping for... Unless the pictures deceive.
And on the double page picture you can see the tip of the Broadside double railgun sticking out of the flash. I guess that gun will be a big square block. I just wonder how posable the model will be.
Looks like it shouldn't be hard to convert a flyer out of a Piranha, so that could be pretty cheap. Personally, I don't think flyers are needed. (I, for one, will put more points into scoring units) You just need to be able to shoot them down, and it looks like Tau will be good at that.
Looks like XV9s remain the most attractive suits. I think I'll get some. My Sept has a SC in a Hazard Suit after all.

Personally, I believe that any crappy looking model can be made extraordinary with the right paint job. Even conversion doesn't need to exceed minimal.

I've already worked hard on converting my own Pathfinders. Looks like I'll have to make adjustments for new options. Could be a fun process.

I'm just glad I won't have to
1) Replace Crisis Suits. I did some minor pose conversions and bulked up the lower legs a bit and I'm proud of my work.
2) Replace Firewarriors. I love the current sculpts. They are some of the most posable and easily convertible infantry. Not to mention detailed.
3) Replace any vehicles. I've got a good thing going with my vehicles, which I'll soon reveal on my blog. (see my sig)

Now to finish painting my Hammerhead...

Given the remarks from a supposed playtester on 4chan, my guess is that the Sharks are supposed to fulfill the same role as an A-10 Warthog.

In that case the broad flat look is understandable.

(He also said that it goes to the other extreme from the Nephilim, and is ridiculously overpowered.)

I would live to see kroot as a mercenary/allied detachment army that could be used with multiple armies.

RogueRegault wrote:
Given the remarks from a supposed playtester on 4chan, my guess is that the Sharks are supposed to fulfill the same role as an A-10 Warthog.

In that case the broad flat look is understandable.

(He also said that it goes to the other extreme from the Nephilim, and is ridiculously overpowered.)

Hmmmmm 4chan...... I'll wait for my codex to believe anything rules wise.

 SonicPara wrote:

I think the Riptide makes the Dreadknight look fantastic;

That... that can't be a rational opinion. How can an upscaled Crisis look worse than that ridiculous baby carrier?

GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

And?

People have been pestering Forge World for something similar for ages. If anything, I'm surprised Games Workshop did it simply on that merit alone.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Where the Hell have you been? Tau have always looked like anime/gundam dude

I think several posters are starting to don their troll hats. Lets not try to feed them shall we.

Its ok to dislike a model, it ok to even dislike the entire range of models, and its even ok to state as much. But to constantly harp on it every 10th post is entering troll territory.

I can easily see how the new flyers mold into the Tau design scheme. If you line it up with all the other flyers and take a kid who has never seen any GW stuff before and now show him a model of the Hammerhead and ask him to pick out the flyer that goes with the same faction as the Hammerhead, I serious doubt they will choose anything but the Sun Shark.

As such, it totally fits the Tau aesthetics. Just like the forgeworld Orca. People may say its little more than a flying shoe box. But no one can say it isn't a Tau flying shoe box.

It is a shame they didn't make the riptide as good as that kitbashed megasuit. Still, it's hardly a clusterfeth and certainly not as bogglingly ridiculous as the dreadknight.

Taking out the wonky bits between wings makes the flyer look better IMO.

 Archonate wrote:
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Personally, I believe that any crappy looking model can be made extraordinary with the right paint job. Even conversion doesn't need to exceed minimal.

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Exception that proves the rule?

Oh, and Nagash... I've got to say, as a non-Tau player all the models look pretty much fine to me.

You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

Puscifer wrote:
You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

From my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME new model pics get leaked here people bash them like they are the ugliest thing GW has produced.

Every. Single. Time. No exceptions.

And then once the models are the bashers are some of the first people to buy them

Well, I just verified that the XV8s did not drop in price. Haven't most new multi-model boxes dropped in price?

Of course this is a plastic to plastic thing unlike ****cast to plastic boxes before.

The pictures are just too bad to judge the smaller models, but the flyer and the big suit are not exciting me one bit.

Seriously, we go from the Barracuda, to that?! WTF???

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Oh how I wish your Gundam comparison was even more accurate.



I would take even an exercise in OTT design like the admittedly awesome Seravee over the Riptide any day.

What is the releas date of the WD, Friday?

For what its worth I have been waiting so long for this that anything is better than nothing. My 14 year old said wow so there goes a chunk of my bank balance. I like the crisis suits and having 15 of them am glad no "remodeled/replacement" suits appeared. Now I just want the new dex with its rules to appear so all the speculation can stop.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

From my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME new model pics get leaked here people bash them like they are the ugliest thing GW has produced.

Every. Single. Time. No exceptions.

And then once the models are the bashers are some of the first people to buy them

It's possible that the entirety of Dakka just has me on "Ignore", but I said before I'm not one of those people. I still don't like them, even after hi-res pics and 360* rotations. Even with the alternate heads the plague drones are a silly idea with the riders. Yeah, you can assemble them without the riders, but I don't think "This model would look better if you customized it/converted it/etc." changes the fact that the stock model isn't very good. Same with the Tau flyer, I'd like to see what some of the more creative types can do with it, but being able to cobble together a cool-looking model out of a bad kit doesn't suddenly make the kit any good, it's still bad.

As always all I've said about the models so far isn't necessarily my final judgment, like others have said I'll wait until I can see hi-res pics or the models in person, but judging purely based on what we have (otherwise there would be no discussion), I'm not a fan, in case my rather strong initial reaction to them didn't make that clear enough (lol). I'm not going to throw my Tau on eBay just yet (or burn them like some apparently are?), but I'm still disappointed. Even if the broadside turns out not to be crap and I actually like it, it's still $50 for one model, which came in units of three. I'd have to spend a bare minimum of $300 just on new broadsides, and that's assuming the riptide isn't an auto-include as well...and since it would be a waste for GW to put out such a large kit and charge $85 for it, it probably will be.

And of course, new crisis suits would have made this all more bearable, but you know...

 Kwosge wrote:
Actually, gun ships and bombers ARE designed to go up against enemy fighters. Are they designed to win? No, but they are designed to survive or live long enough for friendly support to arrive.

That drone is not designed with that in mind. It is designed to die in an enemy attack. And die within the first couple seconds.

Yeah...not exactly. In terms of gunships like the AC-130, they are designed to provide fire support for troops in airspace already cleared of air to air and surface to air threats. They operate under the cover of darkness, and will scram from the airspace at the first sign of any threat. Sure, they have last ditch defensive mechanisms for missiles, but they are hardly survivable in contested airspace.

Bombers are only somewhat survivable, and typically require aircraft in the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) role and fighters to sweep the airspace prior to an attack. Bombers mostly are slow, ungainly, and typically have zero defensive weapons. They are easy targets in contested airspace unless escorted.

There are only a couple bombers in the world that will go into contested airspace, but as soon as they are bounced by enemy fighters, they are just as screwed as a commercial airliner would be in that situation. Same goes for gunships. They are not designed to survive against enemy fighters, they are designed to either avoid them, or operate with escort or in uncontested airspace. A single missle can bring down everything from the smallest fighters to the largest, most advanced bombers, which is why drones were designed for high risk missions in contested airspace. Know what you're talking about before you spout off nonsense.

On topic...still no sign of the Kroot, eh? Really do wonder if the bird men will make an appearance in this new Codex...same goes with the Vespid. Guess we won't know until more picture leaks or the actual WD release.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
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It's possible that the entirety of Dakka just has me on "Ignore", but I said before I'm not one of those people. I still don't like them, even after hi-res pics and 360* rotations. Even with the alternate heads the plague drones are a silly idea with the riders. Yeah, you can assemble them without the riders, but I don't think "This model would look better if you customized it/converted it/etc." changes the fact that the stock model isn't very good. Same with the Tau flyer, I'd like to see what some of the more creative types can do with it, but being able to cobble together a cool-looking model out of a bad kit doesn't suddenly make the kit any good, it's still bad.

As always all I've said about the models so far isn't necessarily my final judgment, like others have said I'll wait until I can see hi-res pics or the models in person, but judging purely based on what we have (otherwise there would be no discussion), I'm not a fan, in case my rather strong initial reaction to them didn't make that clear enough (lol). I'm not going to throw my Tau on eBay just yet (or burn them like some apparently are?), but I'm still disappointed. Even if the broadside turns out not to be crap and I actually like it, it's still $50 for one model, which came in units of three. I'd have to spend a bare minimum of $300 just on new broadsides, and that's assuming the riptide isn't an auto-include as well...and since it would be a waste for GW to put out such a large kit and charge $85 for it, it probably will be.

And of course, new crisis suits would have made this all more bearable, but you know...

It's not that Dakka has you on ignore, but at NO POINT in that quote thread did anyone say that all people were of those opinions. They went out of their way to use words like "nearly everyone", "many" and "some". So, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to defend yourself from attacks that aren't happening?