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 Kroothawk wrote:

Ravengardt from Faeit 212 inbox wrote:- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot,
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

No ALiens sounds odd.

I hope the kroot thing is false, i spent A LOT of money converting stuff for 1000 pts+ of my army to be kroot based and looted/hack kroot models.....very sad, very very sad if so.

 Kroothawk wrote:

No ALiens sounds odd.

Tau retconned to blue, noseless abhumans? NOOOOOOOOO!

i even named my army the Carnivores of Tash'var

Looks like i have Skyfire for my marines
:( looks like my 16 kroot go bye bye

I really have trouble believing that part about the Kroot, mostly because I don't want to. Removing two units, one of which people had many models, and putting them into an additional book? That's pretty messed up. Just giving us the standard troop and giving an expansion from that in a supplement, would be fine. That's what it's supposed to be. If it's the other way, it's just messed up. A lot of people have Kroot and were looking forward to fielding models they paid for.

I should get a score board for these rumors though. Every time someone says Riptide has a Railcannon, another says it doesn't. Every time someone says Kroot are in, another says Kroot are out.

I remember thinking it was insane they were going to do that with the Daemons codex and army books...

 Kroothawk wrote:

Ravengardt from Faeit 212 inbox wrote:- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot,
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

No Aliens sounds odd. Riptide Railgun sounds odd as well.

It does sound odd but they have done this before with the old undead and chaos book for warhammer, as well as the old kislev stuff in the old empire book as well if I remember correctly. Don't know if they have done it recently though.


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Wait they did it with the Leman Russ in the Space Wolf book didn't they?

 Riker210 wrote:
i even named my army the Carnivores of Tash'var

If they do this nonsence, feel free to just use your kroot models counting as orks. You'll get better bang for your buck anyway.

Kroot fluff, Ork stats!

I hope that Riptide gets some kind of BASIC equipment for free otherwise it's going to be unusable at 175 pts base + a ton for actual upgrades.

I do hope that the kroot rumors listed above are untrue. I'm ok with leaving the kroot and vespid as is with the very limited options they currently have so that they get more expanded units (and models) in some future ally book supplement... but I don't think it's appropriate to limit them further or god forbid remove them entirely from the codex proper.

I agree, this is stupid.
Tau are unique because they have army that doesn't only consists of their own race. Take that away and you basically have just another vanilla alien faction - booooring....

On the other hand, maybe GW are aiming for players to have Tau army, Kroot army, Vespid army and Gue'vesha army separately one from another ( via that "alien codex" that will be introduced in Tau codex ).

I wonder if an allies supplement would also serve as a central location for harlequin updates.

I find it curious that we still don't have a picture of the codex art. It's obvious that the leaked pics have come from WD, why no codex cover?

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope that Riptide gets some kind of BASIC equipment for free otherwise it's going to be unusable at 175 pts base + a ton for actual upgrades.

Don't be tossed by the thing posted on the last page. That entire "Codex Entry" was complete and total Fan spank (and bad fan-spank at that). Why someone thought it was a good idea to post said fan-spank in THIS of all threads, I'll never know.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Riptide is like Dreadknight and starts out (relatively) cheap but ends up costing as much as a Land Raider to get the most out of it.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Ravengardt from Faeit 212 inbox wrote:- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot,
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

No Aliens sounds odd. Riptide Railgun sounds odd as well.

Agreed. I don't believe these rumors because they directly contradict the earlier claims re: Kroot and Vespid by neko, who proved himself to be reliable by discussing the new Pathfinder drone that slots into a Devilfish prior to the leak of the picture showing this. Further I think that if Riptides had a Railgun option we would already have seen it. That throws the veracity of the rest of this batch of rumors into question as well.

Yeah, I also don't see any point including Vespids in separate "allies" supplement. MAYBE Kroot, if some other races could take them as mercenaries, like old Kroot Mercs supplement. But Vespid are as integral part of the Tau Empire as any Tau sept, so what they would need a separate book for?

If they end up taking out kroot temporarily until an allies book comes out, you can always play with your kroot models as "counts as" ork allies. The result will be VERY similar on the table.

So, anyone think that Tau will get some sort of access to the psychic charts without taking allies?


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Also, anyone know the release date of the WD in the US?

Unless they botch their lore. No they wont.
Lets hope they don't pull Necron and give the Psychic powers w/o the psychic.

Wolfnid420 wrote:
So, anyone think that Tau will get some sort of access to the psychic charts without taking allies?

I doubt it. There were earlier rumors of a new race in the Tau Empire that would have psychic abilities but I suspect it would have leaked with the other WD stuff by now if that were the case.

Hmm... no Kroot would be a shame, but if they're trying to redefine the feel of the Tau codex in the same manner as the Chaos Space Marines / Chaos Daemons split, then it would not be a total shock to me.

That allies book needs to follow sharpish though...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Unless they botch their lore. No they wont.
Lets hope they don't pull Necron and give the Psychic powers w/o the psychic.

Why not, they gave em to us before. We just called them Markerlights.

Just want to check, are Broadsides changing base size? I seem to remember reading they were going up to a 60mm base.

Neko over on Warseer confirmed that Kroot and Vespid are in the codex.

Broadsides will be on 60mm bases.

They indeed are.
I also hope that ap3 blast for broadsides is true.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They indeed are.
I also hope that ap3 blast for broadsides is true.

Think the blast rumor might be a garble / wishlist based on the Riptide Ion overload shot we've heard about. Especially since the rest of those rumors are crap, and we've heard that submunitions are upgrades on Hammerheads.

Cheers, people.

When I saw the price for the new suit I hurried over to the GW site...sure enough, if you want Broadsides, the Broadside upgrade sprues are still available, and the new suit makes their price look reasonable.

 Fezman wrote:
Cheers, people.

When I saw the price for the new suit I hurried over to the GW site...sure enough, if you want Broadsides, the Broadside upgrade sprues are still available, and the new suit makes their price look reasonable.

Does it? It's £24.5 for a Crisis Suit + Broadside upgrade pack.

Compared to that, it's not so bad paying £30 for a new suit that is something like 50% bulkier, actually looks like it deserves a 2+ save compared to the Crisis' 3+, comes with oodles of new upgrade parts and doesn't involve filling in air bubbles and trying to heat-bend two Failcast railguns into a straight line.

 Kingsley wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Ravengardt from Faeit 212 inbox wrote:- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot,
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

No Aliens sounds odd. Riptide Railgun sounds odd as well.

Agreed. I don't believe these rumors because they directly contradict the earlier claims re: Kroot and Vespid by neko, who proved himself to be reliable by discussing the new Pathfinder drone that slots into a Devilfish prior to the leak of the picture showing this. Further I think that if Riptides had a Railgun option we would already have seen it. That throws the veracity of the rest of this batch of rumors into question as well.

I really hope rumors of a new Tau codex without Kroot allies is not true. If so, my 101 Kroots and 50 hounds weep. I really love my Kroots. There's nothing like infiltrating en masse. With the current Fire Warriors being really popular in 6th ed, I was hoping GW would somehow buff Kroots to boost sales.

If the Railgun s rumored to be Heavy 1 Str8 AP1 / Large Blast Str6 AP3, then it's speculative that a Rail Cannon will be Heavy 1 Str 10 AP1 / Large Blast Str8 AP2. If that's the case, Forge World will have to update Manta and Tiger Shark to be equally more more destructive.