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Rewdan wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
In one of the Cain books they already do.

I'm reading Fire Warrior right now. Is 'the greater good' worth $12 on the iBookStore?

If you like the Cain novels its a middling book in the series. If you want a book about tau that isn't the book for you. It has tau porn for like 30 pages then its all nids and IoM for the rest of the book.

I play tyranids too, and i'm only recently reading the BL novels. I started with "Fire Caste" hoping for clues to the new codex and only came out of it with "Skysniper Drones" "Cuttlefish transport" and upgraded shield drones that projected a field across an entire firewarrior team.

hmmm, the skysniper drone could be what was printed in the desc of the new tau flyer for the 2 drones included, and the pathfinder set has 2 new drones one thats looks like the text calls it a pulse accelerator drone, the otherones text sort of looked like Opti- or Omni- or somesuch drone, so a unit wide sheild drone could be a possibility.
And the cuttlefish could be in codex, just no model as yet..man, this is the first codex I actually am having a hard time just waiting for..actually studying blurry pics for clues..its pathetic

had to go back and recheck the pics a bit..just wish it was alittle less blurry.

y'know what would be cool? If the drone factory devilfish was in there.

Well to be fair the cuttlefish was described as an open topped skimmer boat, they used it to get across a lake. I doubt we will see it as a battle-ready vehicle -- in the book's final battle they used hammerheads for that.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
hmmm, the skysniper drone could be what was printed in the desc of the new tau flyer for the 2 drones included, and the pathfinder set has 2 new drones one thats looks like the text calls it a pulse accelerator drone, the otherones text sort of looked like Opti- or Omni- or somesuch drone, so a unit wide sheild drone could be a possibility.
And the cuttlefish could be in codex, just no model as yet..man, this is the first codex I actually am having a hard time just waiting for..actually studying blurry pics for clues..its pathetic

had to go back and recheck the pics a bit..just wish it was alittle less blurry.

I have a hibernation chamber, you want to borrow it??

Nah I live in alaska..hibernation is SOP here.

Still it always makes me wonder at why not give sneak peeks at upcoming models, and alow us to get funds ready..and maybe even a bit of feedback, but GW does things its own way...its really own way.

Ever since i heard about tau in april. I have been funneling money into my Savings so i dont accidently spend it.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The list goes on. It's maddening, in fact knowing the release is so close is WORSE than not expecting a release at all. The next 2 weeks will feel much longer than usual. In fact it's a feeling much like I had when my wife was about to give birth to our children..the wait at the end is the worst.

Someone, ANYONE, please throw out a new tidbit from the actual codex...i'm jonesing like a heroin addict here....

I second that emotion! My wife has given me three beautiful children, and the wait at the end is indeed the worst part!

Please, someone throw us a bone!

with 6th ed allied rules it could easily be used to mimic the auxiliary units the Tau have. basic troop entries in the codex proper and then an ally list or supplement for elites, fast and heavy. each alien race would only need 1 entry per FOC slot because you can only field one of each for the allies. We already have a possible kroot "ally HQ" ( shaper) and the same for vespid (strain leader).

If it went full ally codex you could have another chart of all the allies with standard codex units.

I would love this as it lets you play "pure tau" or with an allied detachment of one of the auxiliary worlds. both very fluffy.

The thing that bugs me most about the rumours of Kroot being kicked out of the Tau dex for an allies supplement is that I feel Tau shouldn't have to use their allies slot to field Kroot and Vespids, they should be able to field that alongside, for example, Gue'Vesa taken from the IG codex.

I suppose the same arguments would have been made re: CSM and Daemons had allies existed at the time, and I don't mind the idea of an expanded Kroot Mercenaries list that can use Kroot in a wider range of ways in an allied supplement, but the basic Carnivore is a significant part of the Tau Empire.

Also, it really doesn't make sense that the Vespid would be pulled out and turned into freebooters given the Tau used mind control helmets on their leaders to bring them into the fold.

If the Kroot are missing (and I don't think they will be) then the codex writer had better have compensated with some really substantial shooting. Otherwise leave us with our mediocre answer to close combat and meat shields.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
The thing that bugs me most about the rumours of Kroot being kicked out of the Tau dex for an allies supplement is that I feel Tau shouldn't have to use their allies slot to field Kroot and Vespids, they should be able to field that alongside, for example, Gue'Vesa taken from the IG codex.

I suppose the same arguments would have been made re: CSM and Daemons had allies existed at the time, and I don't mind the idea of an expanded Kroot Mercenaries list that can use Kroot in a wider range of ways in an allied supplement, but the basic Carnivore is a significant part of the Tau Empire.

Also, it really doesn't make sense that the Vespid would be pulled out and turned into freebooters given the Tau used mind control helmets on their leaders to bring them into the fold.

Considering Tau are Allies of Convenience with just about everyone, any faults can be taken care of via Allies rather well (well, as well as Allies can). I'm either going to take some Tau+SM or Tau+Necrons, but depending on how cool the new Tau are I might just run straight Tau.

I tend to run Tau and "fluffy allies " only,IG modeled as Gue'vesa, and kroot , but have allied with other players armies in apoc, even went so far as to make some Lizard aux (komodai and geki) to use as IG or other race standins, just cant bring myself to make necron or SM force as a perm allied force...feels kinda wrong

And its not mind control helms for the vespid..its" communion helms", you had the wrong user manuel

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
well..we currently dont know what all is in the upcoming codex..and its not so much the number of unit entries as the quality and versatility of those units, I dont mind a few unit choices, when those uints have tons of options and upgrades.

But again we will have to wait and see, and try not to get a "sky is falling" vibe going.

I completely disagree. Quality and versatility is not as important, as having a variety and flexibility in a list to allow people to feidl drastically different and effective lists. I don't want to field an army that works, but every other Tau player fields the same army, because it's the only units that work effectively. I want a list similiar to how they did chaos space marines (wthout the OP dragon) I want a variety of troop options, with several being legitment options and a could be a little mroe fluffy, but not terrible either. I want my decision on what to take in each FOC slot to be difficult. The current Tau book is the complete opposite of this. The difficult of the army to play, maybe be the fun part. But being able to field multiple different armies and having a chance to win is much better.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
I tend to run Tau and "fluffy allies " only,IG modeled as Gue'vesa, and kroot , but have allied with other players armies in apoc, even went so far as to make some Lizard aux (komodai and geki) to use as IG or other race standins, just cant bring myself to make necron or SM force as a perm allied force...feels kinda wrong

And its not mind control helms for the vespid..its" communion helms", you had the wrong user manuel

Even our current codex states it might be mind control.

Current codex is written from an Imperial perspective. Imagine if the Eldar codex was written from the Ork perspective and you can see how silly the concept is.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Current codex is written from an Imperial perspective. Imagine if the Eldar codex was written from the Ork perspective and you can see how silly the concept is.

Do orks even have a written language? If not the codex would be an audio tape full of things like:

"C deez guyz all have pointy headz or somthin', and there's deez red guz with melta, I LUVZ MELTAZ!"

Ork written language is sort of a bunch of glyphs..kinda like a cartoon strip with no captions..it gets the meaning across though

News and rumors regarding potential direction for the upcoming codex... Ork language is cool but but me offering up an idea of a potential direction for the Riptide is not... Hmmm... The shaking in boots is palpable...

I think that we were intentionally given a glimpse of the new units and the Broadside rallgun repurposing in order to provoke conversation and build interest. Thing is that I keep having this feeling that we have only seen a fraction of the changes or that something important is missing/being missed?? by these rumours.

By the rumours, the FoC seems a bit light in several areas.....almost like we are getting 2/3's of a release. I mean yes, the trendy new stuff is there but some of the other stuff that should be is not.

Things like,

Where is our second transport?
Only Tau and Eldar are stuck with a single transport(Nids are excluded for now). I feel that this is due to the age of the codices but really do expect for both armies to gain a second transport in their respective updates.

Where is GW's typical expansion of an infantry/troop type unit into being several different units that help fill the FoC?
A Shas'ui Fire Warrior or Pathfinder elite sniper unit would fit with their previous pattern of releases.

Where are the Jet-bikes?
I mean, at least allow independently operating drone squadrons be Jet-bikes. Tau should have a few very fast unit options.

Where are our elite options?
Is it like I used to surmise that a collectivist species shuns away from the concept of elites?

Are we really going to be limited to just 2 troop types?
Seems like we should get an extra option due to the Fire caste doctrine that prevents Fire Warriors from mixing weapons. I could see Sniper drones becoming a troop based Heavy Weapon team or maybe Gundrone squadrons getting moved to the troops section. I could see either of those as troops before stealthsuits,.... but hey.... we will see.


Then there are the questions of how are Tau going to deal with Crons Transports, IG Leaf blower and other such. If what we have seen and heard so far are the totality of the changes then this may be another lack-luster release that would be on par with the '5th ed 'Nids release. I just don't think what we have seen are all of the big changes.

I agree that there will prolly be some hidden gems unforeseen to the community... We'll see, but I think we should be pleasantly surprised...

when it comes down to it all we have currently is a few blurry but cool pics of a few new models, and alot of rumors with no meat to them, until the codex is in hand..who knows.

I just prefer to hope for the best, and not dwell on the worst...since in the final resolution of it..you cant really effect anything by doomsaying and dreading..if nothing else I expect at least more pages to read then our current codex.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
if nothing else I expect at least more pages to read then our current codex.

Hopefully, The rules will be better written, too.

Oh one option i hope they have is to be able to take a fusion an all stealth suits instead of just 1/3. better shock unit if it actually kills what its shooting at

There was a rumour a while back about stealth suits losing the stealth rule, but being able to regain it via drones. I do wonder whether they will move the models to Troops, but as XV1x/XV2x combat suits (effectively giving you power armoured Shas'la). This would kind of fit with the existing Shadowsun fluff, as it talks about her XV22 suit being an experiment that may be rolled out to other units if successful and would also fit with Tau's "no unit is expendable" policy.

If they did this, I would assume taking the stealth option would then kick them back into elites.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pathfinders to move to elites; as far as I understand it they were only in fast attack as that allowed them to deploy first under 4th edition rules. Elites with infiltrate makes more sense compared to similar units from other armies.

 focusedfire wrote:
Where is our second transport?
Only Tau and Eldar are stuck with a single transport(Nids are excluded for now). I feel that this is due to the age of the codices but really do expect for both armies to gain a second transport in their respective updates.

Falcon + Wave Serpent is two transports for the Eldar at present...

Hmmm...

I can see Drone squads moving to troops. They were never fast and shouldn't have been in the Fast Attack section.

For suits going into the troops section, I'd like a difference between XV15 and XV25 suits. Have the XV15 as scout type troops units with Stealth and keep the XV25 with stealth and shrouding and keep them as elites.

Being the forth 6th ed codex, is there a precedence for only having two troops choices in a book? Chaos and DA can move stuff around so they've effectively got more than two and Daemons have loads.

I think we'll have Fire Warriors, Kroot (if they are in), Pathfinders (if there are no Kroot) and Gun Drones.


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Also... I agree, only having one transport is a bit iffy.

The Dude over at Warseer wrote:Just heard the following:

Activating the Riptide's Nova Engine is risky. It only works on a 3+. If it fails to activate (roll of 1-2) the Riptide suffers a wound.

The weapon buff result for the Nova Engine supposedly buffs the large blast of the Ion Accelerator to S9 AP1, so there's your anti tank gun

Also, apparently Broadsides with missiles get 4 shots each at S7 AP4.

Of course I'm not sure the mechanics of the Nova Engine, but it appears to me to be a simple random table with1-2 being take a wound and 3-4 being one of the four rumoured buffs. If this is the case, you wouldn't be able to rely on it happening.

Also, if the charged profile does have a drawback like Gets Hot, you are twice risking self harm to get that one mega shot off.
love to see the SMS ignoring cover, even if it doesn't get s7 ap4. the nova engine seems to make sense the way the dude described although i can see it on a roll of a 1 to lose a wound and a 2 no effect, then whatever else afterwards. whatever it is, it is though and i won't have any complaints either way because i have a feeling it'll be awesome no matter what.

I was explicitly told rolling a 1-2 will cause a wound.

Neko wrote:I didn't get any impression of the Nova reactor giving random effects (other than the chance to kill yourself of course). As always though, I could be wrong.

Wound on 1 and or 1,2 sounds intersting/ok, random effects, not so much -.-

Random table for Riptide sounds meh... still buying one though.

Also if Broadside is indeed Skyfire and has both the Railgun and those missiles, it's going to be a very dangerous anti aircraft unit.