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@Rogue I'm afraid that I didn't see any other squads (bar pathfinders) who can get any of those three special drones (recon, inhibitor,pulse)

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
double post and useless too for I've been NINJA-ed!

Sorry about that, just trying to help desubot

@hotsauceman It's all weapons get hot! for a single unit within 18'', but it could still be terrible to a big blob of guards

What's the armour save on a sheild drone? Does it still change with the unit?

I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
@hotsauceman It's all weapons get hot! for a single unit within 18'', but it could still be terrible to a big blob of guards

Lul, I cant wait to drop that on my oppoent
"Ok, Nuro thingy on your blob squad"
"what does that do?"
"Your weapons get hot"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

 Kingsley wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

I think he means the that many armies flat-out ignore morale tests, meaning that pinning won't work around half the time. And most enemies that do have to take morale checks have a crazy high leadership skill anyways.

I was hoping for a Toughness test or be blinded (infantry fail Toughness tests far more often), but it appears to not be so.

After a long day of Google Translating all the photos, I feel I can finally share stuff with you guys.

Aun'Shi can choose to re-roll failed saves or be "Steely" for a phase. (Steely is what in Spanish 40k?)
All Ethereals allow Tau units to use their LD for tests. Only thing that happens when they die is an extra Victory Point.
The retreat after Overwatch (Tactical Retreat) applies only to Darkstrider's squad. (Or as far as I know)

Crisis suits have cost reduced. Any Crisis member can select Drones. Three support systems needed. Max Size: 3
Stealth suits are same points. Only Shas'vre can select Drones. One Support each. Max Size: 6 Can take Marker Beacon.
Riptide comes with Heavy Burst Cannon which can upgrade to Ion Accelerator. Also, twin-linked SMS which becomes Twin-linked Plasma or Fusion.
Can select two options. Can have two special Shield Missile Drones.

Devilfish is same price but weapon is half price.

Interceptor Drones do have both Skyfire and Interceptor.

SMS is Twin-Linked on Broadsides and Riptide.
Sniper Drones still come as one choice. Not sure if they can split from each other. (One choice or 1-3)

All Ion weapons (Rifle, Cannon, Accelerator) start at 7 and go to 8. Cyclic is now an Ion weapon.
Kroot can get Sniper ammo.
Burst Cannon finally fires the appropriate number of shots that its model represents.
Fusion Blaster range extended to equal Burst Cannon.
Kroot Rifle is now Two-Handed.
You get to choose the effect of the Nova Reactor.

Markerlights
I've seen Markerlights and Networked Markerlights so they're both still there.
Options are BS +1, Ignores Cover and Launch Seeker.
Doesn't give a limit for squad's usage.

Anything about positional relay?

so who gets the big manly 36in burst cannon? Do we get it on hammerheads and devilfish? Or just on the Riptide

Also, i can see running lots of ethereals these days, its a good thing i have a couple of dusty ones from the good ol days! Now to get me one of those pope mobile ethereals

Materia_Master wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

I think he means the that many armies flat-out ignore morale tests, meaning that pinning won't work around half the time. And most enemies that do have to take morale checks have a crazy high leadership skill anyways.

I was hoping for a Toughness test or be blinded (infantry fail Toughness tests far more often), but it appears to not be so.

There aren't that many armies that ignore pinning tests. Also, just because a unit has crazy high LD doesn't mean it's useless to try pinning them. Force enough pinning test and chances are they'll fail at some point.

Pinning i just icing on the cake. The real beauty of Pulse Carbines is move and scoot out of 12" rapid fire range (assuming they've dealt enough casualties). However, that makes Devilfish transportation necessary.

I've seen a couple lists, but does anyone have all the suit systems listed out yet?

Is "fusion" melta or is it now double dice at 18 for armor pen? Also what are stats for SMS now?

 Stormcrow wrote:
Is "fusion" melta or is it now double dice at 18 for armor pen? Also what are stats for SMS now?

fusion is still melta.

think seekers are the same... heavy 4 etc.. ignore cover now which is better

+1 toughness for irridium?! Is it still special issue?

Materia_Master wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

I think he means the that many armies flat-out ignore morale tests, meaning that pinning won't work around half the time. And most enemies that do have to take morale checks have a crazy high leadership skill anyways.

I was hoping for a Toughness test or be blinded (infantry fail Toughness tests far more often), but it appears to not be so.

Pretty much this. I've never successfully pinned a unit and I've been trying for four years.

davou wrote:
+1 toughness for irridium?! Is it still special issue?

I would assume so.. +1t 2+sv. probably will cost a few points

why didn't they market the new commander model as 'iridium' rather than 'enforcer'?

Anyone just have the same idea I did regarding the possibility of making a "EW/ECM" suit by equipping it with:

- Neurored. Enemy unit gets hot rule on their shooting phase.
- Command and control module. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit re-roll to hit.
- Multispecter sensor system. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit ignore cover.

That sounds like fun to me!

(Edited for Spelling)


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Or this:

- Repulse shock field. Assault, I10, 1d6 S4AP- hit to any enemy unit who succesfully charged.
- Command and control module. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit re-roll to hit.
- Multispecter sensor system. If he doesn't shoot, all his unit ignore cover.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:

Materia_Master wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

I think he means the that many armies flat-out ignore morale tests, meaning that pinning won't work around half the time. And most enemies that do have to take morale checks have a crazy high leadership skill anyways.

I was hoping for a Toughness test or be blinded (infantry fail Toughness tests far more often), but it appears to not be so.

Pretty much this. I've never successfully pinned a unit and I've been trying for four years.

Either your opponent's dice are loaded or you have insanely awful luck.

ECM suits. . . OHHHH interesting new depth added to the game.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:

Materia_Master wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
I think the worst part of all this is pulse carbines still use the useless pinning rule.

In what respect is pinning useless? If you start fielding large FW squads with carbines-- very feasible with Devilfish, FW cost decreases, and Carbines at Assault 2-- Pinning is just a bonus.

I think he means the that many armies flat-out ignore morale tests, meaning that pinning won't work around half the time. And most enemies that do have to take morale checks have a crazy high leadership skill anyways.

I was hoping for a Toughness test or be blinded (infantry fail Toughness tests far more often), but it appears to not be so.

Pretty much this. I've never successfully pinned a unit and I've been trying for four years.

Exactly.
For example: I primarily play against Ork, Tyranids, CSM, and IG.

Ork and Tyranids are ussually immune, unless orks don't have the numbers (lol), or the Tyranids are out of synapse (double lol). So basically, those two immune.
CSM have a crazy good leadership, I managed to pin a squad once... while he was defending a point, so he just hunkered down.
IG i've pinned a grand total of 6 times... and I've played 30+ games against them.

Like I said, I wanted a Toughness test for blinded or something, but alas, still pinning.

I dont know if its posted already but, here it comes:

Puretide Neuronal Chip: At the begginig of the user Movement Phase, he can choose between the following USR: Counter-attack, Furious Charge, Monster Hunter, Tank hunter, Stubborn. The miniature has this special rule until the beginning of his next movement phase.

Go suicide Hellios, KILL ALL THE TANKS!!!

 KaiserEddie wrote:
I dont know if its posted already but, here it comes:

Puretide Neuronal Chip: At the begginig of the user Movement Phase, he can choose between the following USR: Counter-attack, Furious Charge, Monster Hunter, Tank hunter, Stubborn. The miniature has this special rule until the beginning of his next movement phase.

Go suicide Hellios, KILL ALL THE TANKS!!!

Be vewy vewy quiet... My FB / PR squad's going MC hunting.

Exactly.
For example: I primarily play against Ork, Tyranids, CSM, and IG.

Ork and Tyranids are ussually immune, unless orks don't have the numbers (lol), or the Tyranids are out of synapse (double lol). So basically, those two immune.
CSM have a crazy good leadership, I managed to pin a squad once... while he was defending a point, so he just hunkered down.
IG i've pinned a grand total of 6 times... and I've played 30+ games against them.

Like I said, I wanted a Toughness test for blinded or something, but alas, still pinning.

so.. two missile broadsides each with 2 missile drones.. that's a total of 16 str 7 ap 4 shots and 8 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignore cover. 24 missiles...

now the spare hardpoint.. one with a drone controller to up all 4 drones bs and one with skyfire.. that will do nicely I think

 boy wonder wrote:
so.. two missile broadsides each with 2 missile drones.. that's a total of 16 str 7 ap 4 shots and 8 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignore cover. 24 missiles...

now the spare hardpoint.. one with a drone controller to up all 4 drones bs and one with skyfire.. that will do nicely I think

I pretty much had this exact same thought. And it took me to a happy place.

 boy wonder wrote:
so.. two missile broadsides each with 2 missile drones.. that's a total of 16 str 7 ap 4 shots and 8 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignore cover. 24 missiles...

now the spare hardpoint.. one with a drone controller to up all 4 drones bs and one with skyfire.. that will do nicely I think

You might want to be careful with that. In practice giving drones to Broadsides can be very dangerous because the Drones can force Morale checks on the Broadsides and potentially send very resilient models off the table.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
so.. two missile broadsides each with 2 missile drones.. that's a total of 16 str 7 ap 4 shots and 8 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignore cover. 24 missiles...

now the spare hardpoint.. one with a drone controller to up all 4 drones bs and one with skyfire.. that will do nicely I think

I pretty much had this exact same thought. And it took me to a happy place.

yes. its awesome..thats a lot of strength 7... esp since my gaming group doesn't run much av13+


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 Kingsley wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
so.. two missile broadsides each with 2 missile drones.. that's a total of 16 str 7 ap 4 shots and 8 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignore cover. 24 missiles...

now the spare hardpoint.. one with a drone controller to up all 4 drones bs and one with skyfire.. that will do nicely I think

You might want to be careful with that. In practice giving drones to Broadsides can be very dangerous because the Drones can force Morale checks on the Broadsides and potentially send very resilient models off the table.

yeah this is true.. but a single broadside dying also forces the check.. I will put the drones behind the broads most prob so I get the 2+ saves.

Morale checks may not be such an issue with ethereals having the amazing ability to be considered this time around.

Currently though people usually field shield drones with Broadsides anyways to soak up S8+ wounds that come around. I've never had an issue with them so far, especially if drones get the unit's armor save.