New Tau Codex - April 6'th [Pics, Video and Prices in OP]

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**Jayden63**

I'm thinking of running a unit of 3 crisis suits with TL plasma, fusion, flamer.

Now that truly is a jack of all trades unit. Against horde you have 3 flamers and 6 TL plasma shots. And since your close if they charge you they get overwatched by 3D3 auto hit flamer shots and 6 TL plasma shots. Thats going to hurt even more.

Against MEQ/TEQ you have 3 plasma and 3 fusion out to 18" and then a jump away to put you out counter charge range.

This seems like a pretty good utility knife unit. Missile pods on my old fireknifes can be found in many other places. I don't think they will be necessary on suits anymore.

**Akaraut**

BS4 base on suits really wouldn't have dumbed down the army at all. From a lore perspective it makes sense, as the people that get to use battlesuits are those who have earned the right to use them. Surely that experience and all the hi-tech gizmos in the suits would make them a little better at shooting. That can be done without dumbing down the army, that's the last thing i want to happen.

**davou**

Backfire wrote:
Lysenis wrote:

Really? The book sucks guys, no one needs to buy it. Everyone knows this *rolls eyes* Come on now. You are telling me that they suck before the dex is even released offically. Are all of you naysayers forgetting that this is a game, on a table, with terrain, and you use dice, to you know, roll and stuff.

This is what I see. I see balanced point reductions, great improvements that were CRIED for with great gnashing of teeth in the last edition. I hear of GREAT fluff (which is usually so rare that I almost cried for joy). I see more options in an army that was loved for its great models and the amount of versatility that came with those models. I also see AMAZING Synergy.

As for your cry on the BS of the units. Boo Hoo! You have marker lights! You have access to a system that lets you BOOST your BS to amazing heights, or ignore cover COMPLETLY! 2 ML's and the Skimmer, or flyer no longer gets thier save. Seems big to me!

I don't know if you realized, but we had markerlights in the old book too. They're not some magical new toy. By all accounts they work more or less like they did in the old book, and are slightly cheaper. They are not a revolution.

So you see, in the past we could increase BS by buying suitable wargear, or using Markerlights. Now, it's just using Markerlight. Sorry, but there is no way you will convince me that's progress.

I don't CARE how powerful the army is. I always spoke against those who demanded Tau to have BS4 base, because that would have just dumbed down the army. That's what I care for - I want army which is fun to customize & play. It doesn't look like the new book offers as much interesting options as the old one. Basically it seems like they gave it the Tyranid treatment.

Not slightly cheaper; massively. No more need to buy a devilfish for each set of markerlights you want. You can double the number of Lights in your list now and still not meet the previous cost. And on top of that, you have to spend them less now to get the same effect previously.

Not to mention we get armywide buffs like run and shoot, TL weapons for a squad if the leader opts out, tank hunting, PE IG, heavier rapidfire, etc... You're crying over nothing.

**mothman_451**

I think standard crisis (and bodyguards) can only take 3 ranged/support slots. 4 only seems to be available to the commander

**Spartan_Tau**

Anybody notice the repair option in vehicle armory? I think hammeheads will not be so bad when we seed the BIG picture.

**Rented Tritium**

By all means, don't play this book. I'd love for used models to stay cheap. If this book looks weak to you, don't bother with it.

**tetrisphreak**

I'm eager to see how forgeworld handles xv-9 suits and tetras with all these new rules.

**generalchaos34**

Rented Tritium wrote:
By all means, don't play this book. I'd love for used models to stay cheap. If this book looks weak to you, don't bother with it.

I think after GK and Necrons people want to be that next stupidly overpowered army, and wont take no for an answer. Frankly, Tau has always been an army of skill and finesse to me, so i would rather not want the flavor of the month bandwagon coming over an all you can eat cheese fest. The last 3 codex releases have shown us that GW is not doing this anymore, and with any luck Matt Ward has been chained in a basement for his many unspeakable crimes to Warhammer. I actually want a balanced codex so i can play skillfully and tactically, and it presents me a challenge, but not an insurmountable hurdle like it was before.

**boy wonder**

I used to LARP with matt ward. nice guy.

**generalchaos34**

boy wonder wrote:
I used to LARP with matt ward. nice guy.

Im not saying hes bad, im just saying his rules are (if you have ever suffered against necrons or GKs of course). Also, LARP explains so much....

**tetrisphreak**

Anybody with a codex see a limit on suit weapon systems? It seems to me making a weapon system twin linked is optional. This leads to possibly loading up suits with 2 of the same weapon to increase the number of shots.

**Rented Tritium**

boy wonder wrote:
I used to LARP with matt ward. nice guy.

Some of my best friends couldn't write their way out of a wet bag. There's no shame in it, just don't be in charge of rewriting warhammer armies.

**Backfire**

davou wrote:

Not slightly cheaper; massively. No more need to buy a devilfish for each set of markerlights you want. You can double the number of Lights in your list now and still not meet the previous cost. And on top of that, you have to spend them less now to get the same effect previously.

Not to mention we get armywide buffs like run and shoot, TL weapons for a squad if the leader opts out, tank hunting, PE IG, heavier rapidfire, etc... You're crying over nothing.

Hey, maybe I don't WANT to always play with huge Markerlight support? I thought this Codex was supposed to support many different playstyles?

I don't really care about the stuff you listed. It's not what for I started the army originally. I care about stuff which I liked in the old book, which was mostly removed. How exactly that's "crying over nothing"?

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Rented Tritium wrote:
By all means, don't play this book. I'd love for used models to stay cheap. If this book looks weak to you, don't bother with it.

As I already explained, I don't really care about how "weak" it is. Otherwise I sure as heck would not have played Tau in 5th Edition.

**Rented Tritium**

Backfire wrote:

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Rented Tritium wrote:
By all means, don't play this book. I'd love for used models to stay cheap. If this book looks weak to you, don't bother with it.

As I already explained, I don't really care about how "weak" it is. Otherwise I sure as heck would not have played Tau in 5th Edition.

Playing the new book and refusing to use markerlights will probably STILL be closer to what you want than the old dex ever was in 5th edition.

**Spartan_Tau**

Couple of cry babies on here. Jjjeeeeeezzzzz. Yes higher bs with experience makes sense. Honestly str 9 railgun on broadsides and 11 on hammerhead would have been nice. We will adapt and over come people. Maybe if we get some actual play experience instead of mathhammer people will quit crying. 6 years no update. They didn't nerf everything relax and wait 3 more days.

**Oryza Sativa**

tetrisphreak wrote:
Anybody with a codex see a limit on suit weapon systems? It seems to me making a weapon system twin linked is optional. This leads to possibly loading up suits with 2 of the same weapon to increase the number of shots.

A twin-linked weapon still takes two weapon slots. A commander can have a total of 4 weapon and/or support system slots but all other Crisis Suits can only have 3. So I guess, in theory you could have a commander with two twin-linked weapon systems, but then he would have no other gear.

Source: Faeit has some English codex pages up.

EDIT: Are you asking if the decision to make it twin-linked is optional, i.e you can take two plasma rifles for 2x points or one twin-linked plasma rifle for the discounted cost? The wording implies that you can't do that; taking two of the same weapon simply makes it a twin-linked weapon.

**Backfire**

Rented Tritium wrote:
Backfire wrote:

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Rented Tritium wrote:
By all means, don't play this book. I'd love for used models to stay cheap. If this book looks weak to you, don't bother with it.

As I already explained, I don't really care about how "weak" it is. Otherwise I sure as heck would not have played Tau in 5th Edition.

Playing the new book and refusing to use markerlights will probably STILL be closer to what you want than the old dex ever was in 5th edition.

Thankfully, we're in 6th edition now!

For starters, if the tanks really lose the mobility, that's almost a deal-breaker for me right away. New Battlesuit armoury simply looks like much less fun than the old one, and I'd need to stick more weapons to my suits to take advantage of more TL weapons, which I don't want to do. Not big on Kroot nerf either - sure, they weren't exactly great in assault or anything, but sometimes it was nice to be able to assault at least Guardsmen or something. Current Kroot are no better in combat than Fire Warriors, so what point do they serve, unless you equip them with sniper rifles?

Well, Vespid got better, at least hooray for that, I guess.

**Wolfnid420**

Materia_Master wrote:
Nice thing about having a finesse army that requires skill? It usually helps keep the bandwagon kiddies away.

Not that I'm dissing easy-to-learn-and-easy-to-master armies, I love me a good space marine ally, but having an army that is great if you know what to do, and punishing if you screw up is just so satisfying to play.

Sooo much THIS!^^ lol I love the Tau and Ill be glad to see a smaller bandwagon than the usual flavor of the month

I am sad to see targeting array go however, getting my stealth fusion to connect was a pain enough with BS4......and stealths are a unit that are often where others(like those with markerlights) dont have LoS so that seems like a nerf.....but 24 points for 2 marker drones MAY make up for it a little.....if they are networked.....with a drone controller.... lol

**agnosto**

Hey if any of you crybabies rage quits, PM me and I'll take your stuff.

**Jefffar**

No Target Arrays and no Vehicle Multi-trackers do more damage to my army plans than Stength 8 Broadside Railguns, but still I am overall quite positive about this 'dex and have literally been cackling in joy over some of the things I've seen.

**davethepak**

tetrisphreak wrote:
I'm eager to see how forgeworld handles xv-9 suits and tetras with all these new rules.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, please email forgeworld and as them to update the tau FW units.

Thank you.

**generalchaos34**

how come no one is talking about the crazy game changer that is Ethereals? Are we just that used to hating them?

**40k-noob**

tetrisphreak wrote:
Anybody with a codex see a limit on suit weapon systems? It seems to me making a weapon system twin linked is optional. This leads to possibly loading up suits with 2 of the same weapon to increase the number of shots.

"Support Systems"
up to 3 on the XV8
1 on the Stealth Suits\1 on the Riptide
1 on the Broadsides

is that what you wanted to know?

**Backfire**

Wolfnid420 wrote:

I am sad to see targeting array go however, getting my stealth fusion to connect was a pain enough with BS4......and stealths are a unit that are often where others(like those with markerlights) dont have LoS so that seems like a nerf.....but 24 points for 2 marker drones MAY make up for it a little.....if they are networked.....with a drone controller.... lol

Marker Drones are lot cheaper, but they are also only BS2. You have to take bunch of them. Is their Markerlight Networked? I was sure they were going to remove distinction between regular and Networked Markerlights, but it remains.

Stealth teams were always fun to play, but horribly inefficient. They are almost same, which is surprising. Well, their weapons are better now and with cheaper drones, maybe Stealth Marker team becomes viable. Bummer they can't take Plasma rifle. Fusion was always too unreliable to put on expensive & fragile Stealth suits.

**mothman_451**

The drone contoller is suppose to allow drones to fire at the controllers bs, so that may make stealth marker teams a little better, and the squad leader can take a marker too

**Noctem**

davethepak wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
I'm eager to see how forgeworld handles xv-9 suits and tetras with all these new rules.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, please email forgeworld and as them to update the tau FW units.

Thank you.

While a nice variation would be nice, I've always loved the FW models very much and don't think they need a change to be honest!

**davethepak**

Noctem wrote:
davethepak wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
I'm eager to see how forgeworld handles xv-9 suits and tetras with all these new rules.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, please email forgeworld and as them to update the tau FW units.

Thank you.

While a nice variation would be nice, I've always loved the FW models very much and don't think they need a change to be honest!

My apologies, I was not clear enough.... its to have them update the rules.

They have not been updated since 5th edition.

**hotsauceman1**

Well I just got my riptide and my codex on pre-order.
To bad it will be arriving in a week. But i got a good deal.
gives me time to paint up the last crisis suit i have and give squad markings to all my suits.

**kestral**

The kroot nerf angers me. The other changes seem more or less reasonable and some of them interesting. I like improved carbines and pathfinders on foot a great deal. I hadn't planned on buying the codex and playing tau in the next few years, (or competitive 40K for that matter) but it is somewhat tempting now.

**Noctem**

Well I have a limited edition codex and Commander Farsight on preorder... now to decide if I should buy a shiny Riptide or get the more logical units first like Firewarriors and stuff =(