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 -Loki- wrote:
I'd love a combined Undead book again.

And bring back Nagash with it!

HERE HERE!!!

silent25 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Allies "work" better in WFB than they ever would in 40K.

You didn't play in 4/5th ed did you <_<;

Selective editing for the loss.

Thematically, it 'fits' better in WFB

 Alpharius wrote:

silent25 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Allies "work" better in WFB than they ever would in 40K.

You didn't play in 4/5th ed did you <_<;

Selective editing for the loss.

Thematically, it 'fits' better in WFB

And you missed my point about stealth copters in every army. It was as stupid as your "Rune Priest/Farseer" in every army. It didn't "fit" at all.

For a split second, I said "wow, really?" to the notion of adversaries being grouped together in combined codices. Then I remembered that this was something every WAB supplement did, and realized that it wasn't anything that new or unique. It's just new and unique for a GW core game.

silent25 wrote:


And you missed my point about stealth copters in every army. It was as stupid as your "Rune Priest/Farseer" in every army. It didn't "fit" at all.

Not really - I think you're just Big Fish/Little ponding it up, is all!

All kidding aside, I never saw anything as bad back then in WFB as I'm seeing now in 40K 6th.

Still, I suppose WFB could be... just as bad!

The adversary grouping works for me.
The outrage over Black Templar being hinted at joining the Vanilla codex is due to what every other army in vanilla codex is: 1 Mandatory HQ with 1 Special rule for the army. 2 COMPLETE army books wrapped in to one would be incredible.for many reasons.
1. If you play both armies, you only have to own 1 book. Now this would look like a loss for GW however...
1A. If you only play one of the armies, it's basically free advertising. GW gets to go "dude... you already have the book... now just buy some of the pretty models. You know you want to.
2. It allows for an easy return to scenario missions in Codex. I miss the old "Dark Eldar Raid Encounter" and things like that in the old Codex , and this would be a great way to bring some back; even if they were as simple as the ones in Dark Vengeance.
3. It encourages fluff expansion for the times the two armies faced each other in more detail as well still allowing each armies independent fluff.
Even with some $ increase (as long as it's not the price of two books now) it could be a really cool thing. I would love for this to happen.

It'd be funny to have the old Undead book back. But I really think that you'd still see watering down: do you think that GW could resist the urge to make the Undead book have the same cores, and just make chariots special for VC and core for TK? I doubt that a book with two armies in it would make each army as unique.

Adversary books would also be the perfect gateway drug for many people - you can buy a book with your mate! You keep seeing these other models to buy! Etc...

But I predict the cries of woe at being made to buy £50 army books.

 Alpharius wrote:

silent25 wrote:


And you missed my point about stealth copters in every army. It was as stupid as your "Rune Priest/Farseer" in every army. It didn't "fit" at all.

Not really - I think you're just Big Fish/Little ponding it up, is all!

All kidding aside, I never saw anything as bad back then in WFB as I'm seeing now in 40K 6th.

Still, I suppose WFB could be... just as bad!

I'm just having flashbacks to last tournament for 5th ed. Was a "Farewell to 5th". 25% allies were in full swing with Teclis in every army. Stealth copters and cannons everywhere. Random chaos sorceress on disks. Oh and Arkhan the Black on his flying chariot and the Talon of Death. Freaking Arkhan....

No it was stupid broken with Allies. They were banned from the tournaments and leagues for a reason.

Of course when I heard that there were allies again in 40k, my only though was, "Oh no. IT'S STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN"

And then I ran screaming from the room

I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't the stealth rune get cancelled once the war machine moved back then?

 Eldarain wrote:
I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't the stealth rune get cancelled once the war machine moved back then?

That was the first dwarf 6th ed book where they made the change. The removed it outright with the next book right before 7th.

Good point about Teclis showing everywhere, all the time...

I suppose, overall, allies are not a good thing for balance or 'theme', but they do generate sales so... they're in!

 Alpharius wrote:

I suppose, overall, allies are not a good thing for balance or 'theme', but they do generate sales so... they're in!

Yea, I guess you're right. OH MY GOD! YOU ARE RIGHT!

<runs from room screaming>

 Tangent wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'd love a combined Undead book again.

And bring back Nagash with it!

HERE HERE!!!

Nagash should never be featured in WHFB again. Unless he's too expensive to fit into a competitive game.

 Vulcan wrote:
Lovely. Brets get a new book... just in time for a new edition to nerf them. Again.

 Breotan wrote:
Even 2015 is optimistic. Bretonnians are the red-headed step children of the WHFB universe, complete with buck teeth and banjos.

Perhaps I am misremembering, but I seem to recall a rumor that someone at the studio said they have no idea what to do with Bretonnians. That's a shame because I think a fantasy'd up Authurian romance faction could be amazing. But then again, it could be really awful:

Ahhhh! What is that?!

Is.. is that horse armed with a missile?

LOLZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Arthur_and_the_Knights_of_Justice

The problem with "combined" books is that they don't work very well from a fluff perspective. Undead are not uniform as the vampire counts and tomb kings are quite different in ideology and unit structure.

The good middle earth races like the Elves, Rohan, gondor and the dwarves ally pretty well together.. er I mean high elves, bretonia, empire and dwarves.

However, Lizardmen while they are opposed to Skaven and Chaos aren't exactly friends with anyone except the High Elves (and even then they aren't close friends). The Wood Elves kill anyone who enters their forest from beastmen to dwarves and Skaven don't play well even with themselves.

Only real logical ally book is Warriors of Chaos and Chaos Demons imo. The idea of adversaries feels like it would work much better.

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Ahhhh! What is that?!

It's a football player thrown back in time who replaces King Arthur.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Ahhhh! What is that?!

It's a football player thrown back in time who replaces King Arthur.

Oh, right. I see it now.

Obviously.

 Red_Zeke wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Ahhhh! What is that?!

It's a football player thrown back in time who replaces King Arthur.

Oh, right. I see it now.

Obviously.

The show is exactly as bad as it sounds.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Ahhhh! What is that?!

It's a football player thrown back in time who replaces King Arthur.

Oh, right. I see it now.

Obviously.

The show is exactly as bad as it sounds.

It's no Visionaries...

What is?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Ahhhh! What is that?!

It's a football player thrown back in time who replaces King Arthur.

Oh, right. I see it now.

Obviously.

The show is exactly as bad as it sounds.

It's no Visionaries...

Why must you be so cruel MGS? I had successfully suppressed this part of my childhood.

So basically, Mark Twain the animated series

Indescribably less entertaining than that!

Here's hoping GW spends all this rumored time before a Bretonnia release working very hard to seriously update the line -- in 40k-terms (sorry, I don't follow WHFB closely enough) something more along the lines of the latest DE and Necron releases rather than what seems to be happening to the Tau.

I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves, but I wonder about Brets... Here's hoping for a slaughterbrute sized Siege Snail though!

The Glade Guard and Glade Riders and many of the Lords/Heroes are great models as they are - they don't need to be re-done.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Here's hoping for a slaughterbrute sized Siege Snail though!

Yes. Please.

Amaya wrote:

 Tangent wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'd love a combined Undead book again.

And bring back Nagash with it!

HERE HERE!!!

Nagash should never be featured in WHFB again. Unless he's too expensive to fit into a competitive game.

Hello rain, my name is parade AND I HATE YOU

Manchu wrote:Indescribably less entertaining than that!

Here's hoping GW spends all this rumored time before a Bretonnia release working very hard to seriously update the line -- in 40k-terms (sorry, I don't follow WHFB closely enough) something more along the lines of the latest DE and Necron releases rather than what seems to be happening to the Tau.

So I know about the Tau releases and stuff, but what's "happening" to them?