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I quite like precongition on fatey, re roll saves is good, means you dont have to use the grimoure on him. 2++ re rolling ones is wicked as well.
Your list though, you only have the DP and fatey with wings, all anti air will be focused on them imo and your scoring is weak, I bet you would be worried to you faced a deathwing list!

I have actually been posting all of the list that I have tried out in the army list forum :http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/512351.page

If you take CSM with them that would really help I reckon.....

 TechmarineNic wrote:
If you take CSM with them that would really help I reckon.....

I tend to think IG make for better allies than CSM. Better anti-tank, better AA, and having a Vendetta or two never hurt anyone.

 newbis wrote:

 TechmarineNic wrote:
If you take CSM with them that would really help I reckon.....

I tend to think IG make for better allies than CSM. Better anti-tank, better AA, and having a Vendetta or two never hurt anyone.

CSM have the benefits of being Battle Brothers, so your psykers can hit them with Prescience or other useful spells. CSM are also not hurt by Warp Storm (unless a unit bears an appropriate Mark or 'Daemon of ... ')

newbis wrote:

 TechmarineNic wrote:
If you take CSM with them that would really help I reckon.....

I tend to think IG make for better allies than CSM. Better anti-tank, better AA, and having a Vendetta or two never hurt anyone.

undertow wrote:

 newbis wrote:

 TechmarineNic wrote:
If you take CSM with them that would really help I reckon.....

I tend to think IG make for better allies than CSM. Better anti-tank, better AA, and having a Vendetta or two never hurt anyone.

CSM have the benefits of being Battle Brothers, so your psykers can hit them with Prescience or other useful spells. CSM are also not hurt by Warp Storm (unless a unit bears an appropriate Mark or 'Daemon of ... ')

Both have there arguments for either side. IG have better shooting without a doubt but how does it compliment your main force? As for csm, they have a couple of things they do well but what can they do that your daemon army doesnt already do? Kind of doubling up on roles..

I guess plague marines or a cultist heavy army combined with forewarning and prescience might be a decent build. However, that would be a bunch of points to make cultist viable. Shame CSM cant join Chaos unit still.

Can we still not use cult troops in allied detachments?

If by "cult troops" you mean Plague Marines, Noise Marines, Thousand Sons and Berserkers, you can, but they always count as Elites. The Chaos Lord can only make them Troops in a Primary Detachment.

 Mannahnin wrote:
If by "cult troops" you mean Plague Marines, Noise Marines, Thousand Sons and Berserkers, you can, but they always count as Elites. The Chaos Lord can only make them Troops in a Primary Detachment.

Yup, so if you were looking for that combo it has been nerfed. Really surprised they did that. Kind of kills some of the fluffy builds out there. Now most CSM/Daemon alliance featuring cult troops will have to be CSM primary. It could work still but I think the way to go with CSM currently is to bring them in as a allied detachment adding in the heldrake and possibly a DP.

I was really hoping they would've faq'd it by now to grant us scoring cult troops in allied detachments.

I'm really, really loving Flesh Hounds right now. Supported by a Herald of Khorne with a Grimoire, the Exalted Locus and Fateweaver giving buffs/supporting fire, not many can survive a charge.

Even Thunder Hammer Terminators can just as easily fall to weight of attacks with some luck. MEQ squads fall to the Herald and anything with a lower save usually die from the dogs. And they're fast so they can usually pick where they want to be. I'm thinking of putting all my Fast Attack Units as Flesh Hounds supported by one 1 or even 2 Heralds of Khorne on a Juggernaut.

The main problem now however... is how expensive Flesh Hounds actually are to buy.

Lou_Cypher wrote:
I'm really, really loving Flesh Hounds right now. Supported by a Herald of Khorne with a Grimoire, the Exalted Locus and Fateweaver giving buffs/supporting fire, not many can survive a charge.

Even Thunder Hammer Terminators can just as easily fall to weight of attacks with some luck. MEQ squads fall to the Herald and anything with a lower save usually die from the dogs. And they're fast so they can usually pick where they want to be. I'm thinking of putting all my Fast Attack Units as Flesh Hounds supported by one 1 or even 2 Heralds of Khorne on a Juggernaut.

The main problem now however... is how expensive Flesh Hounds actually are to buy.

That is why you find models suited for the job. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720004a&prodId=prod1050050 If you dont like the way they look you can convert them from there.

Lou_Cypher wrote:
I'm really, really loving Flesh Hounds right now. Supported by a Herald of Khorne with a Grimoire, the Exalted Locus and Fateweaver giving buffs/supporting fire, not many can survive a charge.

Even Thunder Hammer Terminators can just as easily fall to weight of attacks with some luck. MEQ squads fall to the Herald and anything with a lower save usually die from the dogs. And they're fast so they can usually pick where they want to be. I'm thinking of putting all my Fast Attack Units as Flesh Hounds supported by one 1 or even 2 Heralds of Khorne on a Juggernaut.

The main problem now however... is how expensive Flesh Hounds actually are to buy.

what sized squads of hounds do you run?

 Tomb King wrote:


That is why you find models suited for the job. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720004a&prodId=prod1050050 If you dont like the way they look you can convert them from there.

I do like those... and I'm currently using the Chaos Warhounds. Though I'm getting some complaints that the Hounds aren't on the proper bases. Then again... the Karanak I received didn't even come with a circular base.

 masquerade81 wrote:
what sized squads of hounds do you run?

A full 20 for 40 wounds. I find that the Daemons' fast attack slots are one of the best things to maximize on.

How about using Bastions?
Im thinking a blob of Pinkies with herald in a bastion and fire the full load of flicker fire from a single fire point. It would surely make them more durable. You could even put a Nurgle herald on the battlements manning a quad gun for some longrange BS5 fire from really deep cover (if you care to spend the extra points).

Perhaps its to many points in one place though.

PSVpaladin wrote:Can we still not use cult troops in allied detachments?

Mannahnin wrote:If by "cult troops" you mean Plague Marines, Noise Marines, Thousand Sons and Berserkers, you can, but they always count as Elites. The Chaos Lord can only make them Troops in a Primary Detachment.

Fayric wrote:How about using Bastions?
Im thinking a blob of Pinkies with herald in a bastion and fire the full load of flicker fire from a single fire point. It would surely make them more durable. You could even put a Nurgle herald on the battlements manning a quad gun for some longrange BS5 fire from really deep cover (if you care to spend the extra points).

Perhaps its to many points in one place though.

Could make for a really bad day when 1 melta gun or smash attack wrecks the building. One of the best things about the horrors is you can deploy them in a long line and fire from any horror. Makes it pretty easy to always get the angle of fire you want.

Lou_Cypher wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:


That is why you find models suited for the job. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720004a&prodId=prod1050050 If you dont like the way they look you can convert them from there.

I do like those... and I'm currently using the Chaos Warhounds. Though I'm getting some complaints that the Hounds aren't on the proper bases. Then again... the Karanak I received didn't even come with a circular base.

 masquerade81 wrote:
what sized squads of hounds do you run?

A full 20 for 40 wounds. I find that the Daemons' fast attack slots are one of the best things to maximize on.

Hmmm, I have a small army of these guys thanks to my undead armies. Might try them out and see how I like them. Though I am weary of giant blocks with only S4, S5 on the charge.

Re-rolls from the Herald's exalted locus, plus several S6 AP2 attacks from the herald, makes it a pretty hitty unit. I've recently been running a baker's dozen hounds + jugger herald with ex L, Greater, Lesser, and at 363 for the combo it's not cheap, but it's quite hitty and durable, and can Scout (or Outflank, against the becoming-ubiquitous friggin' Servo Skulls).

Iv just picked up a bunch of Flesh hounds this week to go with the Bloodthrone and Crushers I have so Im pretty keen to see how they work out together.

Daemons make a good primary, but do not make for good allies, unless you are literally just trying to get yourself a prescience psyker or greater daemon. I'd say a herald of tzeentch level 3, or a lord of change level 3, with divination powers, and some plaguebearers would do for allies from daemons

Daemons get no benefit from the warpstorm table as allies, and neither can they make use of the 4 herald thing, so it's better to have them as your primary.

But yeah, aside from prescience, I would say guard still make better allies for CSM, and probably for daemons too.

Guard, with daemon allies for prescience, would be a terrifying amount of rerolls xD

Well I use Demons as allies to my Worldeater list.
lord on jugger
2 blocks of Zerks in Landraiders
5 bikes w 2 melta and pwr wepon
Helldrake
as allies i have
bloodthirster
flesh hounds
2 units of plaguebearers

Superfast army that is hard hitting. I guess that a maulerfiend and a herald on jugger would be nice also.
Pondering of scraping the helldrake...

Belsibub wrote:
Well I use Demons as allies to my Worldeater list.
lord on jugger
2 blocks of Zerks in Landraiders
5 bikes w 2 melta and pwr wepon
Helldrake
as allies i have
bloodthirster
flesh hounds
2 units of plaguebearers

Superfast army that is hard hitting. I guess that a maulerfiend and a herald on jugger would be nice also.
Pondering of scraping the helldrake...

I would keep the heldrake it can really help against his back line objective campers or even taking out a pesky long fang squad or any MEQ for that matter.

I proxied out some Daemons with CSM allies against IG/SW yesterday. My bat rep is here if anyone is interested:

http://rhetorical40k.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/battle-report-daemonscsm-vs-igspace-wolves/

I ran:

Fateweaver-300

Bloodthirster with Exalted, Greater Reward-300

3×10 Plaguebearers-270

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with wings, armor, masterly level 3-305

Soul Grinder of Nurgle with Phlem-180

CSM Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with armor, wings, Black Mace-265

10 Cultists with autoguns

5 Nurgle Chaos Spawn-180

Total: 1850

It was pretty fun and nasty.



However, I still worry about them over the course of a big event. I have no doubts that Daemons can win three-four in a row. Six-eight would be tough. The damn Warpstorm Table is pretty awful, even with Fatey. In addition, I lost some wounds to Perils as well. For a fun army, I like this. For a shot at winning a GT, I just don't know. I'm even more wary now that Broadsides can pack insane missile salvos in.

 Evileyes wrote:
Daemons make a good primary, but do not make for good allies, unless you are literally just trying to get yourself a prescience psyker or greater daemon. I'd say a herald of tzeentch level 3, or a lord of change level 3, with divination powers, and some plaguebearers would do for allies from daemons

Daemons get no benefit from the warpstorm table as allies, and neither can they make use of the 4 herald thing, so it's better to have them as your primary.

But yeah, aside from prescience, I would say guard still make better allies for CSM, and probably for daemons too.

Guard, with daemon allies for prescience, would be a terrifying amount of rerolls xD

Don't you need to be Battle Brothers in order to benefit from allied psychic powers?

They did well at the last throne of skulls. Soul grinders seem amazing!!

Just finished a tournament this weekend where we ran:

Keeper of secrets, greater reward
10 daemonettes
10 daemonettes
Prince of slaanesh, wings, armor, greater reward
Prince of slaanesh, wings, armor, greater reward
Prince of slaanesh, wings, armor, greater reward

Allies CSM
Prince of Slaanesh, wings, gift
10 cultists
Heldrake, bale flamer


It demolished our opponents. Put troops in reserves and things go quite well. All the daemon characters took the lash of despair, so that makes 4 units that can shoot 2d6 S6 shots. The keeper often takes telepathy and goes primaris for another nasty shooting power.

So many lists I see are just some toekn troops with FMC's, I want to see some daemon hordes lol.

 Xeriapt wrote:
So many lists I see are just some toekn troops with FMC's, I want to see some daemon hordes lol.

I got into Daemons in 5th because I liked the MCs. I see no problem with running FMC-based lists, as long as they work.

Well, then make the FMCs easier to kill or daemons more difficult to kill.

A unit with 2x flamers and multiple bolters will mostly wipe out a daemon unit.

It can't touch an FMC.

Xeriapt wrote:So many lists I see are just some toekn troops with FMC's, I want to see some daemon hordes lol.

If you want horde troops your probably wanna look into a slannesh heavy list. They have the hardest hitting troops. Though plaguebearers are the most resilient.

undertow wrote:

 Xeriapt wrote:
So many lists I see are just some toekn troops with FMC's, I want to see some daemon hordes lol.

I got into Daemons in 5th because I liked the MCs. I see no problem with running FMC-based lists, as long as they work.

As long as any list works it can be ran?

Spellbound wrote:Well, then make the FMCs easier to kill or daemons more difficult to kill.

A unit with 2x flamers and multiple bolters will mostly wipe out a daemon unit.

It can't touch an FMC.

Actually the reason I run tzeentch princes is because the leading cause of dead mc's is dakka. Not ap 1-3 weapons but good old bolters, shoota's, tesla, etc... They are only toughness 5 base. At least daemon princes are only T5. In addition, they struggle against horde's. With 5 attacks base a fearless blob can hold them up. Orks in particular are good at this and will most likely kill your average daemon prince.

My mono-nurgle list has to be tweeked....

I use to get by with 20 PB's and 3 nurglings....

1. The nurglings are too juicy of a target since they are slow and purposeful now. Can't run them into cover to cover
2. The PB's are the same, but because Epidemius isn't as good I need more to counteract the deaths they are taking.
3. Heralds are point for point, the nastiest close combat unit (nurgle anyway) in the game. T5, 5 wounds, 5 attacks with FNP, Instant Death, AP 2, and 4+ poison? Yes please for 135 points.