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Because no one wants to play as Horace. That would be heresy.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Because no one wants to play as Horace. That would be heresy.

And Horus would be a bit upset to!

mispost!

think the idea is you build the character behind your squad, so imagine you'll be naming them. much like db i guess.

i think they then introduce named characters through the mercs idea.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Because no one wants to play as Horace. That would be heresy.

completely irrationnal, but it hinder my immersion in the setting.

This campaign really needs that terrain-only pledge level added in, or at least some terrain sprue add ons. I know Mantic are probably waiting for the makeup of the terrain sprues to be finalised before putting that sort of thing up but it'll be a handy shot in the arm when it happens.

 Denilsta wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Because no one wants to play as Horace. That would be heresy.

And Horus would be a bit upset to!

A little OT - but at Christmas my GF asked my friends what she should get me. It turns out they have atrocious spelling because on Christmas morning she apologized to me because she couldn't find any books by my favorite author, Horace Herssy.

Back OT - 250K - I can feel it happening today.

Just for the record we're still not 100% clear on how much the current terrain sprues cover- or has mantic clarified that somewhere?

100% clear, no. But they've stated in the main KS page that they're looking at 6 3 inch tiles per sprue, which would give you one complete 3" x 3" x 3" cube building per sprue, more if you make larger buildings, don't use floors, and leave backs out for access.

 Micky wrote:
When i first saw the kickstarter I have to admit i was a tiny bit put off by the price. I know intellectually that its a great deal, but even so... It makes me hesitant.


Still. Lots of time left =)

Trust me Micky as Squig has mentioned the $100 - $150 levels will be well worth their money by the end of this (well providing you like the models), just look at the $150 level of dreadball for a prime example.
Dreadball $150 mark :
Deadzone will more likey than not end with similar value, plus terrain. Incidentally were only about 7k from the next goal, can't wait, I would imagine the next goal will be another starter box expansion, I do wonder just how many miniatures Mantic intend each faction starter to have, it currently stands around 8-10 models (rough average) it would be great for that to go up to at least 12-16 and maybe then expand into new factions/bigger units, such as surpport armour, the deadzone video does show a corp mech after all.

@Pacific
Awww and I'll just starting to like it here, oh well best put my hobo boots on.

Is there real public confirmation Remy will be doing 100% of the Deadzone line? I remember similar 'rumblings' for dreadball and once they took our money Remy didn't seem to be sculpting the rest of the MVPs or other teams. Swap out their A-team sculptor for some other person, and cathorse is born.

And they need to do more greens, they have almost nothing sculpted which is really disheartening. Almost every other kickstarter out there had a lot more sculpted or the score KS project sculpted by the end of the KS.

I think it is reasonable for them to have the 4 core factions starting stuff fully sculpted before the KS ends. Ideally they would have had it before it began.

Can someone confirm if when they mean 'Faction starters' for stretch goals, they mean the 'scout' package? Without the stretch goals, the value is terrible and some of the most expensive figures out there. Even with the stretch goals it is expensive but tolerable (if they can provide evidence fo them being good models)

So for 40$
- Marauder Faction Starter
- Kickstarter bonus: 1x Marauder in Ripper Armour ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter bonus: 2x Marauder Bombers ($5 RRP)
- Kickstarter bonus: 1x Marauder Sniper ($5 RRP)

Total 10 Models

This is correct?

Yes Nkelsch all of the current starter faction box expansion goals include the $40 scout level and 10 models (currently) per faction box is about right.

Oh just ran across this, a little Q&A session with Jake Thornton on BGG, it's got some interesting tid-bits here and there.
Check it out: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/968552/deadzone-faqs

Theres also a Deadzone contest up, you need a BGG account to enter:
Heres the link: http://boardgamegeek.com/contests/deadzone

nkelsch wrote:
And they need to do more greens, they have almost nothing sculpted which is really disheartening. Almost every other kickstarter out there had a lot more sculpted or the score KS project sculpted by the end of the KS.

Huh? So the basic two forces plus some additional stretch goal units (sniper/engineer/2nd Gens) already sculpted is not good enough?

Personally I think this is a better way. They have a clear direction they want to go with the first two factions and then some pretty cool concept art for the next levels. If people bitch (and boy will they bitch) Mantic can take the more sane parts on board and chance concepts prior to paying a sculptor to make it a reality. Is a bit of a good idea considering the whining people have made about Captain Grumpy-Pants' Terminator Arms.

I think it is reasonable for them to have the 4 core factions starting stuff fully sculpted before the KS ends. Ideally they would have had it before it began.

Considering that someone would have needed to be paid for that to happen it is not unreasonable to believe that would have meant this kickstarter would have been delayed until that level of money was made from their revenue streams, instead of having a clear mandate (and earlier timeframe) from this kickstarter. I am more than happy to have it done now, so I can see where they are going with the starter factions and see what the concept is for the follow ons.
If I like it, awesome!
If i think it is lame, then I will bring up some suggestions and hope people agree with me.

 Rolt wrote:
Yes Nkelsch all of the current starter faction box expansion goals include the $40 scout level and 10 models (currently) per faction box is about right.

Oh just ran across this, a little Q&A session with Jake Thornton on BGG, it's got some interesting tid-bits here and there.
Check it out: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/968552/deadzone-faqs

Theres also a Deadzone contest up, you need a BGG account to enter:
Heres the link: http://boardgamegeek.com/contests/deadzone

Thanks. If they can get a Sculpt up for the core factions, And they look good, I would be in for a full unit of Ripper suits and the snipers. But I need to see sculpts.

40$ for all the faction's stretches may make it worth it.

I am debating making this my first kickstarter, but I was wondering if one of you kickstarter vets could tell me how it works? How do you pay for it? Is it through amazon? If so can you use amazon gift cards?

Sorry for being off topic, but this one (or another kickstarter which shall not be named) might push me into pledging for the first time.

I think there's more to this game that's been sculpted than people realize. From the pics we saw from, what was it? Adepticon? We saw that they pretty much have the entirety of the Enforcers sculpted and the Plague. I'm willing to bet that they already have some of the Marauders and Rebs actually sculpted up or that they will be soon. And as I mentioned earlier, there's at least two Enforcer sculpts that are currently unaccounted for, so it stands to reason that there are likely other units for the Plague and who knows what else that we haven't seen yet as well.

Also, I'm really hoping we get some more basic troops added to the Plague. They could use some traditional shambler zombies.

Hi Chaplain Pallantide

Okay, yes you do need an amazon account with a credit card registered and you can't use gift cards, a real shame TBH. Once you have you amazon account you'll need a KS account, once thats done you can pledge for a project. In order to pledge select a reward from the right hand side bar and it'll take you to a comformation page were you can adjust the amount of money your pleaging for at the selected reward level/tier, you can change this at any point and add additional funds for things like "add-ons" and what not. You won't be charged paymeant untill the kickstarter ends and you can change the pleage amount and pleage tier or even cancel you pledge altogether unitll the end, .

Just a word of advice, if your really interested in this project go for the $100 or $150 level (tier), those are the sweet spots that will gain all of the extras that get funded during this KS.

Phew.... I hope that helps.

 Chaplain Pallantide wrote:
I am debating making this my first kickstarter, but I was wondering if one of you kickstarter vets could tell me how it works? How do you pay for it? Is it through amazon? If so can you use amazon gift cards?

Sorry for being off topic, but this one (or another kickstarter which shall not be named) might push me into pledging for the first time.

This is another good place to check:


http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics

That should do it for you.

 Barzam wrote:
I think there's more to this game that's been sculpted than people realize. From the pics we saw from, what was it? Adepticon? We saw that they pretty much have the entirety of the Enforcers sculpted and the Plague. I'm willing to bet that they already have some of the Marauders and Rebs actually sculpted up or that they will be soon. And as I mentioned earlier, there's at least two Enforcer sculpts that are currently unaccounted for, so it stands to reason that there are likely other units for the Plague and who knows what else that we haven't seen yet as well.

Also, I'm really hoping we get some more basic troops added to the Plague. They could use some traditional shambler zombies.

That was Salute, at Adepticon we just got KOW sculpt previews and Deadzone Concept Art.

Have they shown the 3rd Generation Plague yet?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Have they shown the 3rd Generation Plague yet?

Third generation plague is just the basic plague 'cronies'. The 4 'normal' guys in the basic crew are 3rd generation.

cathorse

Okay, what *is* cathorse? I'm assuming its a terrible sculpt, but it keeps getting thrown around and I'd like to know.

 Lansirill wrote:

cathorse

Okay, what *is* cathorse? I'm assuming its a terrible sculpt, but it keeps getting thrown around and I'd like to know.

The issue is a lot of people who bought faction specific-armies for KoW, Now that the sculpts are done, people are wanting to change their pledge because the models made are unacceptable and do not match the concept art.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/445605.page

Page 10 and 11, the werewolves, golems, ogres, Cathorse, lots of things people have issues with and disappointed pledges. More examples of why awesome concept art is consistently failing to be quality models, so "Buyer Beware". Pledge with the expectation the models may turn out great, or turn out not great, unless they can provide sculpts.

^ You're padding that out a bit.

Haven't seen anyone disappointed with the ogres or golems, in fact I've seen lots of people happy with them.

And 90% of the complaints about the werewolves consist of over a dozen posts from Bob about their nipples.

I like cathorse, the issue with regular feline anatomy is that it isn't designed to hold a rider.. one of the reasons why the GW mournfangs look so odd.

Anyway, my point is, on the whole, most people who have backed Mantic Kickstarters are pretty happy with what they've gotten.

I like the cat too.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Anyway, my point is, on the whole, most people who have backed Mantic Kickstarters are pretty happy with what they've gotten.

Also, most people I've seen wanting to change pledges have been people wanting different miniatures from those they pledged for because something else catches their eyes. The disappointment is loud, but seems to be from a pretty small minority.

I really, really hoped for monstrous-sized cat cav - which is why I wasn't all that happy with the cats. I still like them all right and am still getting a bunch The werewolves are fine with the nipples adjusted, though opinions on those are mixed, generally.

The only complaints I've heard over either the golems or the ogres come from folks like nkelsch, who seem to be rather preoccupied when anything mantic is involved.
Especially the ogres are getting quite good press, actually.

perhaps, to be way more charitable than is reasonably needed here, nkelsch meant to refer to the trolls? those have their detractors; I kind of like them despite the small legs but opinions on those are divided as well.
They follow the concepts and progress in such as shown during the KS reasonably well, IMO - I'm no less a fan of them than I expected to be originally (and I'll only get the 9 total from pledge rewards but I think I llike them well enough to paint them regardless).

most folks who actually pledged, or aren't infused with some anti-mantic bias we've come to expect from a small number of posters actually like a majority of the sculpts. Do I, or others, like all of them? Not really. but for the $225 level freebies it's still an insane deal even if I were to chuck half of them right away (and I only dislike one in five or so, so go figure ) and Mantic will allow any backer to switch BOGOFs before this wave is shipped out.
I really don't see where the vitriol is coming from here.

 Bolognesus wrote:

most folks who actually pledged, or aren't infused with some anti-mantic bias we've come to expect from a small number of posters actually like a majority of the sculpts. Do I, or others, like all of them? Not really. but for the $225 level freebies it's still an insane deal even if I were to chuck half of them right away (and I only dislike one in five or so, so go figure ) and Mantic will allow any backer to switch BOGOFs before this wave is shipped out.
I really don't see where the vitriol is coming from here.

When I back a KS or buy models, I don't like the attitude of 'Hey, you got so many things for cheap, you should just chuck the models you don't like.' Other KSs don't have that attitude and we don't get told to 'suck it up, throw out the models you don't like'.

I also don't like bold-face lying when they produce an inferior sculpt, the people who funded the sculpt provide constructive feedback before the molds are made and there is a chance to fix it, and then they say "this isn't 100%, we will fix it' or the bucket brigade tells us it 'looks better in person'. And then we find out they did nothing. Now they won't even share WIP because they have no interest in getting feedback. They got our money, they don't care what we think. I do not care for that attitude from a Kickstarter. I like when KS show us every WIP as it crosses the table, keep us in the loop and address our feedback. Tons of other MINI companies are handling themselves this way and Mantic is a stark contrast to it.

I was drastically unhappy with the quality of casting and sculpts from Dreadball Season 1. I am even more upset because it was preventable, both in QCing the models themselves as well as taking feedback on the WIP sculpts or only allowing the talented, consistently reliable sculptors to do the models. Dreadball season 1 could have been a home run, but they failed. I am hoping Season 2 is better and If it is, it is because of the very valid criticism and comparisons to their peers in the industry they have been getting regardless how the bucket brigade attempts to whitewash everything.

No matter how you slice it, inconsistent sculpts and non-faithful representation of concept art is a HUGE issue for mantic right now which makes backing 200$ of models based off thumbnail sketches only is a super scary prospect.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ You're padding that out a bit.

Haven't seen anyone disappointed with the ogres or golems, in fact I've seen lots of people happy with them.

And 90% of the complaints about the werewolves consist of over a dozen posts from Bob about their nipples.

Actually, my complaints have always been about the crappy proportions, the mighty mouse torso, the arms being longer than the legs (which is not a feature on a man or a wolf), the poses that would embarrass zombies. The nipples are just the icing on the nipp--er, cake. It's just way too easy to throw in a free nipple stretch ...goal/joke to a post. I'll try to clamp down if it's bothering you.


Seriously, if the nipples were the only deviation the model suffered from the concept art, I'd be ecstatic. After all, it's not very hard to scrape some nipples with a razor. It'd take me back to that time I dated a professional dominatrix in college. Like riding a bicycle and all that.

Have to say, you've certainly got an .... interesting (?) slant on things nkelsch

Dreadball Season 1 was a homerun for me. Loved all the sculpts and had minimal issues with the models. Shrug.

I must admit it does seem to be a vocal minority that seem to be unhappy with Mantics KS and they are very welcome to there opinion just like anyone else (even though its a wrong opinion lol!). Take me for example I am VERY happy of what I have received from the Mantic KS and am looking forward to this one!