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Hey guys, thought this would make an interesting conversation... what unit in WH40K is in your opinion the most powerful and just as important why. This can be anything from an independent character to a battle tank. Here is my opinion:

CODEX: chaos daemons
UNIT: Skarbrand
REASON: he has initiative 10 and charges with 9 attacks with Ws10 so average say 7 hits, fleshbane so wounds on 2+ giving you 6 wounds that ignore armor and inflict instant death... meaning even a character with a 2+ invulnerable save will still die before he gets a chance to strike back... as far as I know this guy will win any challenge.... and when it comes to striking a squad you are still looking at a gakload of dead anything! All for only 225pts... that being said I think his real power is the power to influence your opponents movement. Wherever he is you can safely say your opponent will move away and wont invest much... or even better they will and he will draw all of the enemy fire off the rest of your army.. his only weakness is tar pits and the fact he is slow as hell....
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What unit do you see as insanely powerful?

Grey Hunters. They're a Troops choice that's above average at everything except objective camping. Having nice powerhouses is good, having nice Troops is game-winning.

The Ork Boy.
T4, WS4, S4, great gun/number of attacks, fearless, easy to get a cover save with, and 11 points cheaper than a space marine.

Vedentta
cheap
fast
resilient
alpha strike
heavy firepower
transport cheap scoring / hurtful units
can be spammed

A skillful player is by far the most powerful unit in the game.

Juggalo17 wrote:
Hey guys, thought this would make an interesting conversation... what unit in WH40K is in your opinion the most powerful and just as important why. This can be anything from an independent character to a battle tank. Here is my opinion:

CODEX: chaos daemons
UNIT: Skarbrand
REASON: he has initiative 10 and charges with 9 attacks with Ws10 so average say 7 hits, fleshbane so wounds on 2+ giving you 6 wounds that ignore armor and inflict instant death... meaning even a character with a 2+ invulnerable save will still die before he gets a chance to strike back... as far as I know this guy will win any challenge.... and when it comes to striking a squad you are still looking at a gakload of dead anything! All for only 225pts... that being said I think his real power is the power to influence your opponents movement. Wherever he is you can safely say your opponent will move away and wont invest much... or even better they will and he will draw all of the enemy fire off the rest of your army.. his only weakness is tar pits and the fact he is slow as hell....
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What unit do you see as insanely powerful?

Does he have grenades? Is he an Independent Character or Monstrous Creature?

If the answers are NO and MC, then he can be beaten a number of ways. Primarily shooting and hiding in cover.

JWhex wrote:
A skillful player is by far the most powerful unit in the game.

This!

This topic does smell quite combustible. Don't light a match around here.

A grot


cause when you least expect it, your super bad character will roll a 1..and it will usually be a grot that kills him.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
A grot

cause when you least expect it, your super bad character will roll a 1..and it will usually be a grot that kills him.

And there is nothing funnier (even as a Tyranid player) than watching a Carnifex get taken out by a group of grots in CC. He won that game, even if I had 3x as many VPs.

Fire dragon. 16 point melta gun with all around good stats. Hunts infantry as well as tanks or MCs. If only the delivery system for them was either costed appropriately or they had access to venoms.

The Tervigon.

A six wound MC that buffs your troops, provides more of them, and is a troops choice. Just amazing.

the Helldrake is the best unit in the game right now. for 170 points you get between 2-4 S7 ap3 ignore cover auto hits, the baleflamer wounds T4 on 2s with ap 3 and no cover. you have a 5++, 3 HP and can regenerate HP, and you can mitigate bad dice once a game with the daemonic rule.

Heldrake has it all. It will kill a MEQ squad a turn, it's very tough with needing 6s to hit it, AV12, 3 HP and 5++, and it's extremely mobile and is not vunverable to being out manuvered thanks to the 360 arc.

The imperial Guard ,
Infantry Platoon , Can bring More firepower then a small army , as it is one choice troop choice on the force org chart ...


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Pony_law wrote:
the Helldrake is the best unit in the game right now. for 170 points you get between 2-4 S7 ap3 ignore cover auto hits, the baleflamer wounds T4 on 2s with ap 3 and no cover. you have a 5++, 3 HP and can regenerate HP, and you can mitigate bad dice once a game with the daemonic rule.

Heldrake has it all. It will kill a MEQ squad a turn, it's very tough with needing 6s to hit it, AV12, 3 HP and 5++, and it's extremely mobile and is not vunverable to being out manuvered thanks to the 360 arc.

Until a Vendetta Shoots it down

The humble Necron Warrior. 13 points for a basic infantry model that can glance any vehicle in the game.

There isnt a best unit in the game, but if there was, the crisis suit would take the money.

Can be configured for antihorde, anti mech, anti meq, anti teq, and all come with 2 wounds, can deepstrike, and are jet infantry.

Now, with the the 2 wounds and being jet pack infantry, it pretty much takes away all first strike ability against it, especially considering the rest of your army is tau.
That helldrake? it will not kill any of them, and if you have shield drones, only 1.5 of them will take a wound, oh wait, none of them, the shield drone actually gets killed instead.
Now lets say they are all deathrains. That is 177 points. You will average 2 hits on that helldrake, 1 pen, and .66 after jink. People usually have 2 or 3 squads of these things, and they have a better range than your helldrakes. Concentrated fire beats them point for point everywhere except a vacuum 3 v 3

Any form of Terminators make for a mean opponent. Access to alot of weapons, 2+ armour save, deep strike. They can be deadly in the right hands, meaning vanilla players will struggle making them work. (I'm only kidding fanboy's, I love you really)

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!!!

It doesn't have the Assault Vehicle rule, so I find the name to be a misnomer.

If I had to pick one, I would say TH/SS terminators.

But, it's like trying to figure out if rock, paper, or scissor's is stronger in that game. The answer is, depends who they are up against.

30x Death Company with Jump Packs, double thunder hammers and an attached Reclusiarch, plus Lemartes.
...I thought we'd been over this many times now?

 Dr. What wrote:
The Ork Boy.
T4, WS4, S4, great gun/number of attacks, fearless, easy to get a cover save with, and 11 points cheaper than a space marine.

There S3 but S4 on charge

I don't know about most powerful but I hate Eldrad. On the board or not he messes up all my GK and Nid powers. Has great powers letting him reroll everything. Has an good Inv save. I would say he is well worth his points.

Coteaz is another that is way under cost for his points.

The Tervigon is another. Jang is right.

The Doom and Marbo are two other really awesome for the points.

I think the Cryptek w/ a Chronoton is another. 1 re-roll a phase. I flubbed a run roll to win the game on the last turn to move to the objective. Oh No I didn't re-roll!!! That reroll won me the game. Saved my lord 4 times from insta death rail guns that same game. Even if he woulda died it would have had a really good chance of bringing him back!

Eldrad and 10 warlocks with singing spears



Within 2' of course


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 Super Ready wrote:
30x Death Company with Jump Packs, double thunder hammers and an attached Reclusiarch, plus Lemartes.
...I thought we'd been over this many times now?

Yeah, I have that...and it's 2000 points of terror

Imperator Titan, because you win the game.

Oh wait, you mean points efficient unit in the game?

sLeEpYrOcK wrote:
CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!!!

Yes brother, let its name sound down from the heavens upon the unworthy masses.

The NEcron deathray is pretty damn destructive....


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Doomscythe is what i meant i think

Marbo, cause Marbo

Some people brought up squads nd for that I'm going with stearn guard. But individual model scout marine with missle launcher and camo cloak inside some ruins.

Juggalo17 wrote:
Hey guys, thought this would make an interesting conversation... what unit in WH40K is in your opinion the most powerful and just as important why. This can be anything from an independent character to a battle tank. Here is my opinion:

CODEX: chaos daemons
UNIT: Skarbrand
REASON: he has initiative 10 and charges with 9 attacks with Ws10 so average say 7 hits, fleshbane so wounds on 2+ giving you 6 wounds that ignore armor and inflict instant death... meaning even a character with a 2+ invulnerable save will still die before he gets a chance to strike back... as far as I know this guy will win any challenge.... and when it comes to striking a squad you are still looking at a gakload of dead anything! All for only 225pts... that being said I think his real power is the power to influence your opponents movement. Wherever he is you can safely say your opponent will move away and wont invest much... or even better they will and he will draw all of the enemy fire off the rest of your army.. his only weakness is tar pits and the fact he is slow as hell....
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What unit do you see as insanely powerful?

I think Lucius can beat him in a challenge...have to run the statistics, though

karandras15 wrote:

Juggalo17 wrote:
Hey guys, thought this would make an interesting conversation... what unit in WH40K is in your opinion the most powerful and just as important why. This can be anything from an independent character to a battle tank. Here is my opinion:

CODEX: chaos daemons
UNIT: Skarbrand
REASON: he has initiative 10 and charges with 9 attacks with Ws10 so average say 7 hits, fleshbane so wounds on 2+ giving you 6 wounds that ignore armor and inflict instant death... meaning even a character with a 2+ invulnerable save will still die before he gets a chance to strike back... as far as I know this guy will win any challenge.... and when it comes to striking a squad you are still looking at a gakload of dead anything! All for only 225pts... that being said I think his real power is the power to influence your opponents movement. Wherever he is you can safely say your opponent will move away and wont invest much... or even better they will and he will draw all of the enemy fire off the rest of your army.. his only weakness is tar pits and the fact he is slow as hell....
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What unit do you see as insanely powerful?

I think Lucius can beat him in a challenge...have to run the statistics, though

The non-EW guy who will be fighting a T6 MC? Yeah, good luck with that...