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1 - coord assault - +1 charge distance
2 - shattering bombardment - 1 ord weapon in 6" gets T/L
3 - only in death - fearless and FNP to unit within 3" of objective
4 - smoke barrage - can choose to use night fight
5 - blood of martyrs - units in 6" get preferred enemy(infantry) while in enemy deploy zone
6 - siege master - Lower cover of 1 terrain by -1
Goliath wrote: To add, Darren Parwood stated to me in conversation that he's been working on the Tau battle suit as a personal project in his free time for the past 2 years.
Seems to be a new trend at FW:
Master sculptors sculpt interesting stuff at home, because at work everyone must do new shoulder pads or another gun or another Space Marine suit variant, even the master Fantasy sculptors (also confirmed to do the work for the next Fantasy book at home).
Sad days for everyone not freaking out over a Mk XXXIV Space Marine
If the shoulder pads and gun variants are paying for the production of the interesting stuff which sells less, then I don't see a problem.
Exactly.
Sad when people can't see the forest for the trees...
Or, we could be looking at the fact that the 'interesting stuff' is produced 'off-the-clock', by dedicated employees who choose to work in their off-hours and effectively 'donate' stuff to their company. You know, employees that might just decide "feth this, if I'm not getting paid for it" and go back to just producing Space Marine variants.
I'm all for shoulder pads and gun variants paying for the production of 'interesting stuff'. However, I'm NOT for expecting your employees to donate their personal time and off-hours creative energy to benefit the company. If being a company that produces interesting, creative stuff is important to Forgeworld, then their company policies should recognize and reward that initiative in an official manner.
I don't think that's overlooking the forest. I think it might be 'pointing out poor forestry practices'.
Goliath wrote: To add, Darren Parwood stated to me in conversation that he's been working on the Tau battle suit as a personal project in his free time for the past 2 years.
Seems to be a new trend at FW:
Master sculptors sculpt interesting stuff at home, because at work everyone must do new shoulder pads or another gun or another Space Marine suit variant, even the master Fantasy sculptors (also confirmed to do the work for the next Fantasy book at home).
Sad days for everyone not freaking out over a Mk XXXIV Space Marine
If the shoulder pads and gun variants are paying for the production of the interesting stuff which sells less, then I don't see a problem.
Exactly.
Sad when people can't see the forest for the trees...
Or, we could be looking at the fact that the 'interesting stuff' is produced 'off-the-clock', by dedicated employees who choose to work in their off-hours and effectively 'donate' stuff to their company. You know, employees that might just decide "feth this, if I'm not getting paid for it" and go back to just producing Space Marine variants.
I'm all for shoulder pads and gun variants paying for the production of 'interesting stuff'. However, I'm NOT for expecting your employees to donate their personal time and off-hours creative energy to benefit the company. If being a company that produces interesting, creative stuff is important to Forgeworld, then their company policies should recognize and reward that initiative in an official manner.
I don't think that's overlooking the forest. I think it might be 'pointing out poor forestry practices'.
For the tau suit it isn't "expecting them to make stuff at home".
He started making a tau suit for fun a couple of years ago, and has recently approached his boss about it being put Ito production.
This isn't some sinister new business practise, it's an unexpected bonus from someone going "I'm a bit bored with XXXX, I'll make some tau."
It is currently standard, that sculptors have to make interesting stuff in their free time at home. Even people hired for making Fantasy monsters are now pressed to do Rhino door Mk. XXXIVb for the second Successor Chapter of the Minotaurs. All production of non Space marine stuff is effectively stopped, for everyone. Gone the times when FW sculptors could work on projects they really loved to do (except the Space Marine specialist of course). GW managers have occupied the last free realm within the GW network.
On topic: The WD May shows WIP pics of the HH Baneblade and HH bikes.
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Kroothawk wrote: GW managers have occupied the last free realm within the GW network.
Nah. FW remain the only adults over at GW. They still act like a regular company - previews, hyping up releases, making sure everyone knows what's going on. Y'know, normal marketing stuff. The blinders/smoke screen crap that's just infected BL hasn't reached FW yet.
Tough noogies. In the words of my father, "No tree reaches Heaven." The Golden Age of Forge World is over, and it was the much-demanded Horus Heresy that killed it. I delight in the irony.
Kroothawk wrote: It is currently standard, that sculptors have to make interesting stuff in their free time at home. Even people hired for making Fantasy monsters are now pressed to do Rhino door Mk. XXXIVb for the second Successor Chapter of the Minotaurs. All production of non Space marine stuff is effectively stopped, for everyone. Gone the times when FW sculptors could work on projects they really loved to do (except the Space Marine specialist of course). GW managers have occupied the last free realm within the GW network.
On topic: The WD May shows WIP pics of the HH Baneblade and HH bikes.
All production of all non space marine stuff, not including all of he non space marine stuff on display at the open day.
The reason that Blackfire Pass was delayed was due to the book not the sculpts.
And as to your "gone the days when FW sculptors..." So Darren Parwood talking about how he enjoyed making the Necron sculpts didn't happen? The Mechanicum Thallaxii didn't happen? The Merwyrm, Troll Mother, Squig Gobba, Empire Command Unit, Orc Command, Necron Realm of Battle Board all didn't happen?
Did the Necrons get their own warlord table as well?
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
H.B.M.C. wrote: An IA book full of Necrons just came out guys. Come on.
But that's in the past now.
By a couple of weeks at most? This is akin to complaining that the Tau need more love the day after their new Codex came out (that's in the past, after all).
H.B.M.C. wrote: An IA book full of Necrons just came out guys. Come on.
True, but it is hard to argue that the Astartes/anything-else balance is heavily skewed at the moment, H.B.M.C - even more than in the normal GW release schedule...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Dysartes wrote: True, but it is hard to argue that the Astartes/anything-else balance is heavily skewed at the moment, H.B.M.C - even more than in the normal GW release schedule...
That's not really any different IMO. Let's look at it book-by-book:
IA12: Necrons get a few new models, nobody else gets anything.
IA11: Eldar get a nice list of models (some tanks, a titan, some infantry conversion kits), IG get a couple new superheavies.
IA10: All marines.
IA9: All marines.
IA8: Orks get a few random models, nobody else gets anything.
IA5-7: IG and chaos get a bunch of stuff.
IA4: Tyranids get some stuff that's now obsolete.
IA3: Tau get a bunch of stuff.
So all the way back to the beginning of the IA series it's been the same: a few releases depending who is in the current book, along with some random IG/marine stuff is released whenever it's convenient. The Heresy series is adding a bunch of marine releases, but the non-marine releases have been about the same since long before the Heresy stuff started. It really wasn't some amazing golden age where xenos armies were getting awesome new stuff every week.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
@iGuy91 the Dark Harvest army (separate from the Necron Codex army) got a new warlord trait table but it cant be used for the normal Necron Codex unless you agree with your opponent to use it beforehand, it is-
1 = +1 or -1 to reserves
2 = Warlord survives game +1vp
3 = Must issue and accept challenges +1vp for every enemy character killed in a challenge
4 = Whilst within 3" of objective warlord and unit get to re roll re animation rolls
5 = Can give a single ranged weapon +1 strength each turn
6 = Warlord gains the crusader USR
Somewhere close to 25'000pts I lost count a few years back.
Dysartes wrote: True, but it is hard to argue that the Astartes/anything-else balance is heavily skewed at the moment, H.B.M.C - even more than in the normal GW release schedule...
That's not really any different IMO. Let's look at it book-by-book:
IA12: Necrons get a few new models, nobody else gets anything.
IA11: Eldar get a nice list of models (some tanks, a titan, some infantry conversion kits), IG get a couple new superheavies.
IA10: All marines.
IA9: All marines.
IA8: Orks get a few random models, nobody else gets anything.
IA5-7: IG and chaos get a bunch of stuff.
IA4: Tyranids get some stuff that's now obsolete.
IA3: Tau get a bunch of stuff.
So all the way back to the beginning of the IA series it's been the same: a few releases depending who is in the current book, along with some random IG/marine stuff is released whenever it's convenient. The Heresy series is adding a bunch of marine releases, but the non-marine releases have been about the same since long before the Heresy stuff started. It really wasn't some amazing golden age where xenos armies were getting awesome new stuff every week.
Except this isn't true. I'm not going to break down every release but since I can copy and paste from an older post; for IA8:
For Imperial Armour 8, there were 3 factions: Orks, Space Marines, and Elysians.
The Elysians got a completely new unit: the Tauros Venator, a Valkyrie troop compartment, and a significantly revamped unit, the Elysian Drop Sentinel.
The Space Marines got a new HQ unit, the Raven Guard guy, raven guard transfer sheets, a thunderhawk (obviously, it's just new doors), rhino & land raider doors and a conversion kit.
The Orks got a new HQ unit (Mek Buzzgob), the Chinork Warkopta, new Mega-Dread, new Grot Tanks, a new infantry weapon set, a significantly revamped unit (the Ork Stompa head\arms\belly gun), some totally new weapons (Lifta-Droppa on a wagon), and a kommando konvershun kit.
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Dysartes wrote: True, but it is hard to argue that the Astartes/anything-else balance is heavily skewed at the moment, H.B.M.C - even more than in the normal GW release schedule...
That's not really any different IMO. Let's look at it book-by-book:
Spoiler:
IA12: Necrons get a few new models, nobody else gets anything.
IA11: Eldar get a nice list of models (some tanks, a titan, some infantry conversion kits), IG get a couple new superheavies.
IA10: All marines.
IA9: All marines.
IA8: Orks get a few random models, nobody else gets anything.
IA5-7: IG and chaos get a bunch of stuff.
IA4: Tyranids get some stuff that's now obsolete.
IA3: Tau get a bunch of stuff.
So all the way back to the beginning of the IA series it's been the same: a few releases depending who is in the current book, along with some random IG/marine stuff is released whenever it's convenient. The Heresy series is adding a bunch of marine releases, but the non-marine releases have been about the same since long before the Heresy stuff started. It really wasn't some amazing golden age where xenos armies were getting awesome new stuff every week.
The presence of the HH stuff is making the gaps bigger, was all I was saying...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...