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 cincydooley wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
When are these things supposed to hit the market?

FYI, Helen and the Oracle were KS exclusives and these versions won't be available for regular sale. Though Fitz has stated he may do alternative sculpts of these two for general release. Also, he is still taking pledges via Paypal till the end of the year if you want to get in.

Ugh. That is a damned fine sculpt tho. How much was Helen?

She was a freebee for pledges at Skirmish ($160), Warband ($200), or Army ($280). There was also a Warband Miniatures Only pledge for $165. Those were the stretch goal pledges. She was unfortunately not a buyable figure :(

Yeah. Then im out. No way I'm spending $160 on they stuff.

Silent, to port over my discussion from the other thread to this one where it's appropriate- Croc Games has not been updating on their status very often (last update or comment was a month ago) and are already far behind their projected schedule.

I asked them to post more updates in the KS comments yesterday, and about the timeline for the Amazons and Automatons. Looks like they're not even started yet and the Amazons were slated for delivery in October!

RiTides: Sorry you are not happy with the quantity of the official updates, thank you for the advice and I'll try to post more often in the future. I've been trying to make updates when there is something significant to show, and that does not always happen on a weekly basis. Some weeks are spent cleaning master castings for the production molds, not exciting but a necessary investment of time for us to turn out the production minis in good quality.
Helen is coming as the next Update (tomorrow), I've just been trying to wrap up some of her fiddly details & cleanup.
As for the Amazons and Automatons, it is not possible to give a firm shipping date on them yet, as they need a lot of sculpting & production work before they are ready to ship. They are coming after the Trojans (and the Troy sculpts are now all done, and their last master molds are underway), so we'll be seeing updates featuring the Amazons at the start of the new year. I know everyone is eager to see new Amazons, and I'm eager to get on with their sculpting too.
--Fitz

I appreciate their prompt reply, but I thought the goals were very attainable for this campaign, which is why I felt confident backing... I did not expect the sculpting to be so delayed right off the bat like this.

OK, now I'm less happy that he spent so long on Helen.

Saw your posts over at the Wargods KS page and agree yea, that the Amazons have been delayed sucks. I went in as well on the Amazons because I thought they were ready to go. You have a valid reason for being frustrated. Am surprised too that he pushed the Amazons back for completing the Trojans. Their initial units were essentially done.

I guess I expect all Kickstarters to be late by a certain amount. The first Kickstarter I backed was the Double Fine one and we know how that one is doing.

Hey, when is a KS update not a KS update? When it's a Crocodile Games KS update. New images from the CG Forums of more Trojan Figs:

Couple more pictures up at the CG forums. Fitz said he was trying to get a KS update out last weekend. Sounds like he was waiting for some stuff back from the caster before posting.
Amazons incoming








Last one Fitz mentioned he is trying to save time, by having the partial sculpts cast and then working on the partials to make the helmet/no-helmet versions to save time. Not sure how I feel about that since some people who do casting do state there is shrinkage on the models. Does that mean we well be seeing slightly smaller Peltasts? I know GW did that alot in the 80's when you had 4 - 5 models with the same pose, but different heads/weapons.

See now these are the figures I have been waiting for!!

roll on the army delivery

Those Amazons look amazing!

It will be hard to resist this game when it hits retail.

 silent25 wrote:

Last one Fitz mentioned he is trying to save time, by having the partial sculpts cast and then working on the partials to make the helmet/no-helmet versions to save time. Not sure how I feel about that since some people who do casting do state there is shrinkage on the models. Does that mean we well be seeing slightly smaller Peltasts? I know GW did that alot in the 80's when you had 4 - 5 models with the same pose, but different heads/weapons.

It should be no problem, our moldmaker (Brian Hitsman) is excellent, and his masters have minimal shrinkage.

There is always some shrinkage on castings, usually about 3% from front-to-back. I already compensate on the greens, so with these, it is just a case of making the original pieces just a little thicker than I already do. It took me MANY years to figure it out, but now I naturally sculpt stuff a little thicker than I want the final production model to be (don't look at my old skinny Ral Partha figures from the early 1990's, ha ha!)

This sort of thing is only a problem when you use parts that were not *intended* to be used as intermediates. And we don't do that.

--Fitz

Really kicking myself that I didn't know about this KS campaign, I'd have totally gone all in for the Amazon army alone, hard to find nice proper soldierly female warrior minis. It's mostly just cheesecake and sci-fi out there.

Another figure has been posted over at the CG Forum. First of the Amazon Honor Gurads.

That's one sweet model. Shame it wasn't a Kickstarter update, though since most people won't see it otherwise.

So, what's the consensus about Crocodile Games as both a company, and the state of its games?

I've had the opinion for a while that CG was just in over its head. Way too slow releases, the games going no where what with them releasing books for new games even before older lines were completed. I remember them specifically saying they would put out a smaller skirmish version to help people get into the game, and then backed off that statement. Not a good sign.

However, my gaming group is interested in playing a Fantasy style game again since the WHFB nostalgia is hitting them hard. So I figured that Wargods would be a good fit.

At this point, would you consider the Crocodile Games line complete enough to get a group into it? For example, have they filled out the Hyperboria line yet?

What's the status of the rules? I enjoyed the rules well enough when I tried Aegyptus a long time ago, but thought it lacked more specialty units, and stuff like monsters.

What do you think of the cost to start? I'd have to buy two small armies for this game to demo it. One of them would have to be the Aegyptus Crocodiles, because that's a showpiece army if there ever was one. The other would likely be from one of the other wargods settings, probably spartans or something.

Do you think CG will continue to thrive, or fall back into super slow release mode again?

The Miniatures look absolutely great, but are more than a touch expensive, and not really available from anywhere bit Fitz' website.

Which means instead of owning a pile of them, using them amongst my KoW armies and painting a bunch to show off on my shelves, blog and table to others and thinking "maybe I'll try out this game" I own none of them. None are in my armies, being painted or shown off, and the rules are just a vague undefined thing somewhere on the internet.

My money goes elsewhere, and CG could sink without me even noticing it unless I bumped into a thread about it here on Dakka or TMP etc.

All of which is a shame, because there are some really nice models in there.

Vertrucio, given the pace of release of the KS models, I would personally be somewhat cautious... I'm really hoping they up their game but right now things are not fully released enough to commit a whole group to getting into, imo. Hopefully that will change in the future as they fulfill the campaign! But as of now, the model ranges seem pretty incomplete to me to really start playing their game(s) with.

Vertrucio, the Wargos of Aegyptus is a nearly complete line with a full rule set. It was the first line Fitz launched. They are very close to 6th ed WHFB with some additional activation rules. The kickstarter was for the Olympus line which still needs a complete rule set and miniatures.

If you focus on Aegyptus you won't have problems and can build complete armies right now. If you are wanting the Olympus figs, I would be cautious. The last couple year drought was due to Fitz being smacked around by the IRS. With that out of the way, he should be back to his normal pace. Though that wasn't that fast.

From their Forum:

The archer captains from Todd are starting to arrive! First up is the Corinthian Captain, seen below. He's working now on the Spartan and Mycenaean Captains, which we should be seeing soon. I'll be doing the Captain for the Athenians, but he's a bit further down the list...

Another minor update via the CG forum:

OK, here's an in-progress shot of some of the Amazon Peltasts and an Archer.

The Archer is completed, and the Peltasts are nearly there - they just need their correct shield arms (I stuck one of the warrior shields on the center model, but the finished models will all come with shield/javelin arms just like the Peltast captain posted a couple weeks back. These arms are all already complete, but they are at the moldmaker, and so not available for the photo!)


Peltasts and Archer

So where are we with the Amazons? Let's do a quick run-down:

Completed: Warriors with spear & shield (all completed), Peltast Captain, Peltasts (2 of 3 poses completed), Archers (1 of 3 poses completed), Hero, 1 Honor Guard, Casualty, Armor Rack, Sword Sprue

Still to go: Amazon Champion, 1 remaining Peltast pose (in progress), 2 Archers, 1 Archer Captain (in progress), Penthesilea (in progress), Herald & Musician, 1 Honor Guard conversion

If everything goes well I should have all of the Peltasts and Archers wrapped up this weekend.

Looking good! I am looking forward to these being available at retail, and also having some actual income with which to purchase them!

Wow loving them girls - must tell my clubs High Elf players they are coming

Aye, though the more I look at the gorgets on the Amazons, the more I am not fond of them. Still, They are a fantastic example of feminine models that are not over the top sexy. Maybe a touch wasp waisted if that is a plate on the lower half, but forgivable given the scale. The faces are just wonderful, too. They don't suffer from sameface and don't look like bad trannies, the two problems that plague most female models. Well done!

 Wehrkind wrote:
Looking good! I am looking forward to these being available at retail, and also having some actual income with which to purchase them!

I don't think Fitz sells these at retail - aside from on his website, anyway?

That... might be true? I'd have sworn that I saw Wargods stuff in online stores before, but glancing at TWS I don't see any. Maybe just the fevered dreams of a madman.

Still, so long as I can buy them from somewhere, they will get bought when I can purchase things without getting smacked by my wife.

Some of the WG line is carried by my local store, but not much. Use to be carried by several online stores as well. Ordered some from TWS. Possible that sales weren't that great online and were cleared out.

FRP Games has the various Wargods ranges in stock.

I used to collect Crocodile Games armies about 10 years ago and loved the setting, rules and figures, but could never find any other players. I really think the slow pace of releases tanked the momentum the game had a decade back. I hope the Kickstarter breathes some new life into the game because the rules are a lot of fun and lend themselves to great campaign play but you need to have exposure and people playing your game or else the fun factor counts for squat. :(

 Azazelx wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Looking good! I am looking forward to these being available at retail, and also having some actual income with which to purchase them!

I don't think Fitz sells these at retail - aside from on his website, anyway?

They do in fact sell at retail. Gamer's Haven in Colorado Springs sells Croc Games stuff on their shelves. I've seen them available at other B&M stores, as well.

Well, that's something I guess. Shame no-one carries his stuff that I could feasibly order from. I'd quite like to pick a few of his models up.

 Azazelx wrote:
Well, that's something I guess. Shame no-one carries his stuff that I could feasibly order from. I'd quite like to pick a few of his models up.

FRPGames ships internationally. Have you had a bad experience with them or were you looking for a local shop to buy from?

Latest update

Amazon Sculpting Progress:

First up are some of the latest Amazon sculpts, which Chris has just completed - the Amazon Archers! These minis all come with a separate bow & quiver piece, that attaches to their hip next to their belt. Chris has an alternate quiver planned too, which has some grisly trophies attached as well, like a severed head and scalps! Yuck! But no one ever said the Amazons were nice!
Amazon ArchersAmazon Archers




So how many more Amazons are still to go? Let's do a quick run-down:

Completed:

Warriors with spear & shield (all poses completed)
Peltasts (all poses completed)
Archers (all completed)
Hero & Armor Rack
1 Honor Guard
Casualty
Sword Sprue

Still to go:

Amazon Champion
Penthesilea (in progress)
Herald & Musician
1 Honor Guard conversion

As you can see from the list, we are in the home stretch - only 5 models to go, and all of them are either conversions of existing models or already in progress. If all goes well, we should have all of the Amazon sculpts completed in the next few weeks... then it is on to the Automatons!

Trojan Production

The good news is that we are about to begin Trojan production this weekend! We will be picking up the last set of molds on Friday, and then casting begins. There are a lot of miniatures to make, so it will take several days to complete and sort them all, and then packing & labels for shipping. Please bear with us, and if you have moved or need to update your order, please let us know as soon as possible!
Soon to be Trojans!Soon to be Trojans!

Thanks again for your support and patience!