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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 09:25:00
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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ClassicCarraway wrote:While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
I finished a Mordheim campaign with twenty participants last month. I'm currently building multiple Inquisitor warbands in 28mm simultaneously. I've been slowly buying BFG ships whenever I had spare money for the last year. For a lot of people, the Specialist Games are an active and thoroughly enjoyed part of our hobby.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 09:29:40
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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ClassicCarraway wrote:While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
I'm a regular player of Specialist Games. I'm currently in the middle of a large campaign that ties in BFG, AI, Epic and 40k. Luckily I recently got the last of my Ad Mech and Chaos ships and have oodles of Epic, but I was planning another round of AI and BFG purchases in the coming months. No chance now...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 10:07:01
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I play Epic reasonably regularly. GW selling figures or not has made no difference to my ability to interest people in the game or not - no-one bought anything from them anyway, we all used re-sellers or second hand.
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Hodge-Podge says: Run with the Devil, Shout Satan's Might. Deathtongue! Deathtongue! The Beast arises tonight!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 10:13:30
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Regular Dakkanaut
The Netherlands
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ClassicCarraway wrote:While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
Our gaming group plays the games in the specialist games range considerably more often than WHFB and 40K.
Although truth be told with GW pricing, we already moved on to mostly third party miniatures for these games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 10:42:06
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Multispectral Nisse
Luton, UK
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I won't lie and say it's a regular occurance, but I have a game of Epic (well, NetEpic) scheduled for tomorow.
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“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.” |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 11:04:09
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote: filbert wrote:Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Graphite wrote:But if they discontinue Necromunda, what will John Blanche use as the base for his horrible and pointless conversions in white dwarf?
Horrible and pointless? They are the most interesting part of WD and INQ 28 is hardly pointless.
Horses for courses. I personally don't like John Blanche's art particularly and am beginning to get tired of seeing the same Nurgle Warrior model painted in a different shade of rusty orange again and again.
It can get samey, but I prefer seeing different and homepainted minis over the "official" armies and minis normally displayed in WD pages.
I like that JBs models exist. I like that they have a section in White Dwarf. Many of them are horrible, sometimes intentionally, sometimes due to his sytem of holding a model against a brick wall and throwing paint at it to see what sticks. But in the current context, they have NO POINT. They're not for 40k, that's for sure, and GW haven't acknowledged the existance of any specialist game for years.
The whole thing looks like a bit of a vanity project, which is a shame as it really is often the nicest bit of the current version of WD. I do sometimes wonder how much each of the models would actually cost if you were to try to build it yourself...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 11:12:59
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Damn shame I really wanted to get hold of an AI Manta too :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 11:24:09
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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The John Blanche miniatures raise a very good point. Hopefully the popularity of this column could see GW get their arse in gear and produce a warband scale book for 40k. Take Kill Teams simplicity and cross it with some of the aspects from Necromunda and Inquisitor. Specialist Deathwatch scenarios, Space Hulk boarding actions, Cult exterminations... anything!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 11:38:48
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Nimble Dark Rider
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Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 11:51:07
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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You forgot Step 5. Profit!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:17:35
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kroot prophecy:
Only after the last store has been closed,
Only after the last sculptor has been fired,
Only after the last customer has been outpriced,
Only after the last fan has been sued,
Only after the last miniature has been discontinued,
Only then will Tom Kirby find that you can't get dividends from nothing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:20:48
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Welcome to why it's being discontinued. Under-appreciated = doesn't sell.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:21:04
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Speed Drybrushing
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Oh hell looks like I'm going to be trawling ebay if I want a severina and sevora now then, so much for that slaaneshi prince plan...
Can't say I'm surprised though, everyone I know who plays these games hasn't bought a single GW miniature for them in years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:32:30
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Damn, the Admech light cruiser had the add to cart button next to it again but no stock is available when I click on it I'm really only going to regret missing that and the rogue trader cruiser.
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They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:36:15
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hulksmash wrote:Damn, the Admech light cruiser had the add to cart button next to it again but no stock is available when I click on it
I'm really only going to regret missing that and the rogue trader cruiser.
I know how it feels.
I had the RT cruiser and the Repulsive Grand Cruiser on my list for a while.
I just wish they'd given us notice of some kind.
Thank goodness I spluged for a Ramilies some time ago.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:46:56
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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@MGS
Yeah, I had on the Ramilies but FW being so annoying to order from I hadn't gotten around to it. That's another one I'm sad about. Maybe recasters will start working on that one like they have the Imperator Titan from epic.
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Best Painted (2015 Adepticon 40k Champs)
They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:48:38
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Executing Exarch
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And GW says its not telling vets to GTFO. Yeaaaaah right.
So when is GW going to start handing out C&Ds to commission painters? Because at this point Im not surprised by anything GW does.
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:55:45
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Major
London
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Medium of Death wrote:The John Blanche miniatures raise a very good point. Hopefully the popularity of this column could see GW get their arse in gear and produce a warband scale book for 40k. Take Kill Teams simplicity and cross it with some of the aspects from Necromunda and Inquisitor. Specialist Deathwatch scenarios, Space Hulk boarding actions, Cult exterminations... anything!
It would be nice, but you're probably better off writing your own or adapting another rules system for it. GW are only interested in the bigger, better, more stuff on the table, "cinematic" games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 12:57:21
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hulksmash wrote:@ MGS
Yeah, I had on the Ramilies but FW being so annoying to order from I hadn't gotten around to it. That's another one I'm sad about. Maybe recasters will start working on that one like they have the Imperator Titan from epic.
I'm thinking we'll see a horrific explosion in price on ebay, this will attract the recasters, then they will (hopefully) glut the market and the price will return to a more level setting. Automatically Appended Next Post: And I hope any recasters watching this unfold will take up the miniatures and carry them on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:06:18
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Executing Exarch
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And GW will sue recasters for making models they don't produce. Everybody wins!
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:09:52
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Douglas Bader
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Ravenous D wrote:And GW will file meaningless legal notices that the Chinese/Russian recasters will ignore. Everybody wins!
Fixed that for you. Enjoy paying higher prices to fund more pointless time wasting by GW's Citadel™ FineLawyers™.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:11:16
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah, the Russian and Chinese recaster guys, if given pressure, just shut down their stores and make new ones. The cycle just continues.
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DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:11:19
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Dakka Veteran
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Ravenous D wrote:And GW will sue recasters for making models they don't produce. Everybody wins!
The recasters that sell on eBay tend to be Russian or Chinese. At the very most, GW will be able to force them to start selling with a new eBay account.
And in the time I spent posting that, two other people said the same exact thing. I think there may be a consensus on this one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:15:52
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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*Etrade baby shocked face*
Are they supposed to carry everything forever?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:19:33
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Byte wrote:*Etrade baby shocked face*
Are they supposed to carry everything forever?
Yes, they are!
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DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:22:44
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
West Midlands UK
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I probably had the last of the ad mech stuff sorry people!
I brought 2 cruisers, a battleship and 2 light cruisers a couple of weeks ago!
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'Fury of Belladon, FURY FURY FURY!!!!'
- roughly 2,000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:32:11
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Parachuting Bashi Bazouk
Silsden, West Yorkshire
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This is sad news, but I suspect most people who play these games are used to having to pick up non GW models for a lot of the range. I recently did a blogpost with some alternative minis for Inquisimunda or Necromunda
http://brushoffumbling.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/necroinquisimunda-mini-options.html
I think there is a slowly building movement of people that are working to leave GW behind, creating their own rulesets and alternative models, hopefully this will speed up the process and we will have some truely independent games that keep the original spirit of the 90's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:32:54
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Byte wrote:*Etrade baby shocked face*
Are they supposed to carry everything forever?
Absolutely not.
They could have given us a couple of months warning though... If they had any means left to open communications with their customers...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:36:19
Subject: ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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MeanGreenStompa wrote: Byte wrote:*Etrade baby shocked face*
Are they supposed to carry everything forever?
Absolutely not.
They could have given us a couple of months warning though... If they had any means left to open communications with their customers...
GW doesn't even need to be able to communicate *with* them, just *to* them, which they still can. GW has simply chosen to not bother, because, I don't know, money is dumb?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/01 13:36:36
Subject: Re:ByeBye specialist games - GW pulling the plug
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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They.... are....... seriously....... DOING THIS TO US!!!
WTF is wrong with GW, first they try to make us pay more for crappy cartoony sculpts then they get rid of the cool stuff we like but they dont.
this calls for an emergency panic buying spree-i still have to finish my early imperial/Chaos fleet and my IG Epic with Titan support and my Adeptus Titanicus force and..........
Why GW, why
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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