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I'm 100% jealous about the light cruisers....they weren't available when I did my daily check earlier today

Without revealing too much, a rather reliable source I managed to get a hold of basically said three things, which I think a few have also mentioned before:
1) A couple of years ago, the master molds were worn and under review.
2) The models being bought didn't justify cost of remaking the molds.
3) Decision: Make enough to last a few years until stocks run out.

And nevertheless, thanks FW/GW for actually saying something.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm 100% jealous about the light cruisers....they weren't available when I did my daily check earlier today

I consider myself very lucky to get them (assuming I do actually get them).
Update: Just got a shipping notice from GW for the AdMech Light Cruisers - amazing!
No updates for the other six previous backorders though.

Some of the CLs will be trade bait for capital ships that I am missing.

The instant shipping (meaning they were in stock at the US warehouse) supports Peregrine's post:

 Peregrine wrote:

I called about my order and asked about that, and the items that came back into stock weren't new production, they were just the result of failed orders (credit card company rejected the transaction, etc) freeing up models that had been allocated to someone else.

T

 Riquende wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Just so everyone knows, NAF has been told by Games Workshop that they can no longer produce Blood Bowl dice as they have for 11 years.

Damn, I lost mine (both my regular set and NAF set) years ago, been waiting for a decent colour to renew my membership.

Are they making a 2013 colour?

"This is always an exciting time of year as the NAF announces new dice. We are keeping this tradition but sadly, after ten years, Games Workshop has brought this great tradition of new block dice to an end.

We tried many angles with GW, but ultimately the licensing department would not renew our deal meaning that, for 2013, a new colour of blocking dice cannot be issued. We have good relations with GW and hope that with continued communication this may change in the future."



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Good luck... the official NAF dice go for up to 50 bucks a set on ebay. There are other companies making alternatives, though. http://www.comixininos.com/

Reminds me of when WotC shut down Dragon. "Yes, it's a product that sells well even in a flagging market, but we want to end the license deal now so we can use the name for our Digital Marketplace Mouthpiece. And 30 years of D&D can go fly a kite."

 judgedoug wrote:

Good luck... the official NAF dice go for up to 50 bucks a set on ebay. There are other companies making alternatives, though. http://www.comixininos.com/

Oh I have alternativesalready, I just want at least 1 set of regular 'GW pattern' block dice. And I'm not bothered about tracking down older NAF dice, none of the colours match my Dark Elf team which is what I was waiting for, so I guess I'll just pick up some white ones when I can.

Although I'm not sure why the NAF really need GW's permission to make dice... the designs on the faces are all generic arrows, 'explosions' and skulls, hardly GW trademarks (although we all know what they're like...). I suppose the'yre trying to stay in GW's good books for now, for whatever good that will do them long term.

"As of 2013, we'll no longer be allowing fans of one of our games the oppotunity to obtain the dice needed to play, except by purchasing a £50 game. This is great news!"

looks like it's time to put my NAF dice up Ebay.....

I did randomly stumble across an interesting way to keep playing BFG, even if the ships cannot be had for decent prices. Firestorm Armada had their three starter fleets available as "flats" that were .JPEG images. You could print them out and play the game that way, to see if you liked it well enough to buy the minis. . Not as good as actual minis, but you still got to play the game.

But...check these out! With a little searching on Google Images, I found every fleet (except Tyranids) for BFG in this form! Throw them into Paint/Gimp for some quick editing to cut them all into individual tokens, and you can make flats for every ship you need to play BFG with, and then just print as many as you want. Just search for "Battlefleet Gothic Sprites" or "[race name] Sprites" in Google Images.

Imperial and Chaos examples :

aoxes wrote:
Without revealing too much, a rather reliable source I managed to get a hold of basically said three things, which I think a few have also mentioned before:
1) A couple of years ago, the master molds were worn and under review.
2) The models being bought didn't justify cost of remaking the molds.
3) Decision: Make enough to last a few years until stocks run out.

And nevertheless, thanks FW/GW for actually saying something.

i got an email from FW today that basically states exactly that. Back when the elder first sold out I sent an email to them asking if they'd be coming back, I got a reply today that states the points you just presented, so I assume its a generic response.

Well, I broke and ordered a space marine battle barge, now I just need to wait 4 weeks for it to arrive.
I did just want a strike cruiser or two but it wouldn't let me add them to the cart.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I found every fleet (except Tyranids) for BFG in this form! ]

That would likely be because of the way 'nids work in BFG. Too many possible combinations.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I did randomly stumble across an interesting way to keep playing BFG, even if the ships cannot be had for decent prices. Firestorm Armada had their three starter fleets available as "flats" that were .JPEG images. You could print them out and play the game that way, to see if you liked it well enough to buy the minis. . Not as good as actual minis, but you still got to play the game.

But...check these out! With a little searching on Google Images, I found every fleet (except Tyranids) for BFG in this form! Throw them into Paint/Gimp for some quick editing to cut them all into individual tokens, and you can make flats for every ship you need to play BFG with, and then just print as many as you want. Just search for "Battlefleet Gothic Sprites" or "[race name] Sprites" in Google Images.

Imperial and Chaos examples :

These are from the BFG Vassal module.
Which is another way to play BFG!
Play it digitally online.

For example, my Space Marine Fleet in Vassal:

Eldar Eclipse Cruiser has reappeared on the US site, but with no add to order button.

T

I wondered if those fleet sprites were to play in Vassal. As far as I can tell, every fleet is represented except the Mechanicum and Tyranids (even Rogue Trader cruisers and escorts are available). It's not as "cool" to play with flats instead of miniatures, I'll give you that, but I plan on making several fleets of them.

Capital ships are fetching around $80-100 on ebay now.

I sure hope those naughty recasters don't notice this and start making them, flooding the market and bring the prices to a more reasonable level after making a killing...

Glad I kept my Eldar fleet now.

BFG is the best game GW ever produced. I think it is a real pity that they have left it to found and then cut it off due to 'lack of interest'.

I'm sure they could have farmed out the licences to other companies.

 Souleater wrote:
BFG is the best game GW ever produced.

Agreed. It was the one game that I never grew tired of, and was always willing to play at any time. Each game was different, even changing out just one ship could change my battleplan drastically. I loved that you always had to plan ahead for the next few turns to predict where your ships will be and where your opponent will go. 40K seems to lack that element.

I think it is a real pity that they have left it to found and then cut it off due to 'lack of interest'.

Sadly, it was GW's lack of interest that killed it. More and more I'm starting to believe in the theory that GW doesn't really want to make lots of money, but instead just wants a stable revenue stream without any spikes or dips so they can look good for the investors.

Anyway, I just noticed a Blackstone Fortress up on Ebay for over $100 now (that's with bids). I wonder how much I could get for my Ramilies?

Not that I would ever part with my Ramilies. It was my very first Forgeworld model ever. Ordered it years ago because it was awesome.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
BFG is the best game GW ever produced.

Agreed. It was the one game that I never grew tired of, and was always willing to play at any time. Each game was different, even changing out just one ship could change my battleplan drastically. I loved that you always had to plan ahead for the next few turns to predict where your ships will be and where your opponent will go. 40K seems to lack that element.

I think it is a real pity that they have left it to found and then cut it off due to 'lack of interest'.

Sadly, it was GW's lack of interest that killed it. More and more I'm starting to believe in the theory that GW doesn't really want to make lots of money, but instead just wants a stable revenue stream without any spikes or dips so they can look good for the investors.

Anyway, I just noticed a Blackstone Fortress up on Ebay for over $100 now (that's with bids). I wonder how much I could get for my Ramilies?

Not that I would ever part with my Ramilies. It was my very first Forgeworld model ever. Ordered it years ago because it was awesome.

Battle Barges are going for £100+.
I want a Ramilies, but I don't think it'll happen unless I model and 3D print one myself. :(

I heard from a mate (not a clue who his source is, take it with a fistful of salt) that forgeworld where looking to pick up the BFG rights.

I saw a rumour on here somewhere that the upcoming Turos campaign second edition would still have BFG stuff in it which would lend some credibility to it but then all the FW stuff for BFG has been taken down or is out of stock so it seems unlikely.

I don't think that a division of GW can buy rights from GW.
And the run on BFG products began when the book was already at the printers or even printed.

Recently I remember then the orginal 40k radio did a interview with a former GW game designer (Can't rememebr witch one) and the topic of new armies for 40k came up.

I remember he said that GW they have a sort of set fan base, with a set amount of spending money. All adding a new army does is pull sales away from other armies. They also apparently feel this way across all of their games.

As silly as it sounds, GW probably really does believe doing this is going to increase their 40k and fantasy sales.

In white dwarf they were advertising a t-shirt with an emperor class battleship on it....

Hmm lots of spare BFG ships - so this could be a useful cash injection with the Eldar release, Robetech kickstarter and possible Raging Keros Kickstarter (if it ever happens!)

Given GW's normal reaction to the Internet, they probably still haven't even heard of Kickstarter.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I saw a rumour on here somewhere that the upcoming Turos campaign second edition would still have BFG stuff in it which would lend some credibility to it but then all the FW stuff for BFG has been taken down or is out of stock so it seems unlikely.

IA3 has some BFG stuff, but it's just a reprint of the BFG stuff that was in the original book, not new material.

 Lockark wrote:
I remember he said that GW they have a sort of set fan base, with a set amount of spending money. All adding a new army does is pull sales away from other armies. They also apparently feel this way across all of their games.

And this is the problem with GW: they've started believing their own propaganda.

Lots of blank pages on the specialist games area now, just looked at what they had left of inquisitor stuff and quite a bit is gone as to compared to some weeks ago. The Xenos and Chaos sections are empty, there are only a couple of Inquisitors left.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I heard from a mate (not a clue who his source is, take it with a fistful of salt) that forgeworld where looking to pick up the BFG rights.

How do they pick up the "rights". FW = GW.

Regular 40k metal must be drying up. Valhallan autocannon is off entirely, and things like the metal conversion packs are drying up.


Looks like 'Collector's' range is next. A lot have 4 week deliveries.

You never know once the finish the Heresy maybe FW will have time to make some other models again

At the moment they can't ever keep up with they stuff they were doing for WHFB because sculptors seem to be being diverted to Heresy projects

Zwan1One wrote:
In white dwarf they were advertising a t-shirt with an emperor class battleship on it....

I saw that, and was frankly livid. My group was interested in doing BFG, two of them had the beginnings of fleets, and then splat, done, gone.

I'm glad I have the models, they look great (Metal apocalypse class was a bit infuriating to build, but it looks good done), and there's one fellow with a BFG Chaos fleet he's in the process of moving here from Saskatchewan (fear Canadian province names!), so I'll have one fellow to have decent sized games again, but otherwise, that's all she wrote. C'est la vie mes amis.