Frazzled wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

This is a horrible, horrible crime. However, it must still be treated as a crime, investigated, prosecuted, and the ruling of the court enforced as a crime per our American and Constitutionally enacted laws.

Right now, we don't have Journalism or much investigation; we have a media circus.

I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise, so get off your freaking high horse.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The incompetence of the police in this case is staggering, mind blowing and tragic.

http://jezebel.com/police-visit-cleveland-house-of-horrors-several-times-494824408

Spoiler:

Police Visit Cleveland House of Horrors Several Times, Fail to Note Horrors
In new news from Cleveland's horrific kidnapping case, neighbors are alleging that they called the police multiple times to the home where Ariel Castro and his two brothers held Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus, and Amanda Berry hostage for ten years. Neighbors claim that even though their calls described chilling scenarios — naked women on leashes crawling on all fours and women pounding on windows — they were either ignored, or the police completed very cursory check-ins.

According to neighbors, the situation at Ariel Castro's house was far from non-stop super fun barbecue parties.

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of Castro's house, which had plastic bags on the windows, in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. "They walked to the side of the house and then left," he said.

Neighbors also said they would sometimes see Ariel Castro walking a little girl to a neighborhood playground. And Cintron said she once saw a little girl looking out of the house's attic window.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

Lugo said about two years ago his sister told him she heard a woman pounding on a window at Castro's home as if she needed help. When his sister looked up, she saw a woman and a baby standing in a window half covered with a wooden plank. His sister told him and Lugo called the police.
But wait, there's more!

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.
However, Cleveland officials said they have no record of any calls about criminal activity at the house, but that they are "still combing their records". Ugh.

This is especially heinous news as we learn about the conditions in the house. According Khalid Samad, a former assistant safety director for the city who now works for a crime prevention non-profit, told USA Today law enforcement officials told him the women were beaten while pregnant, with unborn children not surviving, and that there was a dungeon of sorts with chains. All the shudders, forever.

In another intense revelation from this story, Emily Castro, Ariel's daughter, is currently serving 25 years in prison for allegedly slashing her 11-month-old daughter's throat four times in 2007. She then cut her own neck and wrists and attempted to drown herself in a nearby creek. She suffers from manic depression diagnosed when she was 13, the court record says.

Ariel Castro's 31-year-old son Anthony, a journalism student who bizarrely/coincidentally wrote an article about Gina DeJesus' disappearance in 2004, says "This is beyond comprehension ... I'm truly stunned right now."

This case just gets more and more mind-blowing and heartbreaking.

[USA Today]

 Easy E wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

This is a horrible, horrible crime. However, it must still be treated as a crime, investigated, prosecuted, and the ruling of the court enforced as a crime per our American and Constitutionally enacted laws.

Right now, we don't have Journalism or much investigation; we have a media circus.

I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise, so get off your freaking high horse.

It gives me a better view from up here. It's like driving an SUV.

This isn't a "Taken" movie, and I think the problem of modern human slavery should be handled a bit more maturely than the ususal Fraz "Kill them all and let God sort them out" policy.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If we violate the constituition in one place, we are ok in doing it in others?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The incompetence of the police in this case is staggering, mind blowing and tragic.

http://jezebel.com/police-visit-cleveland-house-of-horrors-several-times-494824408

Spoiler:

Police Visit Cleveland House of Horrors Several Times, Fail to Note Horrors
In new news from Cleveland's horrific kidnapping case, neighbors are alleging that they called the police multiple times to the home where Ariel Castro and his two brothers held Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus, and Amanda Berry hostage for ten years. Neighbors claim that even though their calls described chilling scenarios — naked women on leashes crawling on all fours and women pounding on windows — they were either ignored, or the police completed very cursory check-ins.

According to neighbors, the situation at Ariel Castro's house was far from non-stop super fun barbecue parties.

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of Castro's house, which had plastic bags on the windows, in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. "They walked to the side of the house and then left," he said.

Neighbors also said they would sometimes see Ariel Castro walking a little girl to a neighborhood playground. And Cintron said she once saw a little girl looking out of the house's attic window.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

Lugo said about two years ago his sister told him she heard a woman pounding on a window at Castro's home as if she needed help. When his sister looked up, she saw a woman and a baby standing in a window half covered with a wooden plank. His sister told him and Lugo called the police.
But wait, there's more!

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.
However, Cleveland officials said they have no record of any calls about criminal activity at the house, but that they are "still combing their records". Ugh.

This is especially heinous news as we learn about the conditions in the house. According Khalid Samad, a former assistant safety director for the city who now works for a crime prevention non-profit, told USA Today law enforcement officials told him the women were beaten while pregnant, with unborn children not surviving, and that there was a dungeon of sorts with chains. All the shudders, forever.

In another intense revelation from this story, Emily Castro, Ariel's daughter, is currently serving 25 years in prison for allegedly slashing her 11-month-old daughter's throat four times in 2007. She then cut her own neck and wrists and attempted to drown herself in a nearby creek. She suffers from manic depression diagnosed when she was 13, the court record says.

Ariel Castro's 31-year-old son Anthony, a journalism student who bizarrely/coincidentally wrote an article about Gina DeJesus' disappearance in 2004, says "This is beyond comprehension ... I'm truly stunned right now."

This case just gets more and more mind-blowing and heartbreaking.

[USA Today]

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The incompetence of the police in this case is staggering, mind blowing and tragic.

http://jezebel.com/police-visit-cleveland-house-of-horrors-several-times-494824408

Spoiler:

Police Visit Cleveland House of Horrors Several Times, Fail to Note Horrors
In new news from Cleveland's horrific kidnapping case, neighbors are alleging that they called the police multiple times to the home where Ariel Castro and his two brothers held Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus, and Amanda Berry hostage for ten years. Neighbors claim that even though their calls described chilling scenarios — naked women on leashes crawling on all fours and women pounding on windows — they were either ignored, or the police completed very cursory check-ins.

According to neighbors, the situation at Ariel Castro's house was far from non-stop super fun barbecue parties.

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of Castro's house, which had plastic bags on the windows, in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. "They walked to the side of the house and then left," he said.

Neighbors also said they would sometimes see Ariel Castro walking a little girl to a neighborhood playground. And Cintron said she once saw a little girl looking out of the house's attic window.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

Lugo said about two years ago his sister told him she heard a woman pounding on a window at Castro's home as if she needed help. When his sister looked up, she saw a woman and a baby standing in a window half covered with a wooden plank. His sister told him and Lugo called the police.
But wait, there's more!

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.
However, Cleveland officials said they have no record of any calls about criminal activity at the house, but that they are "still combing their records". Ugh.

This is especially heinous news as we learn about the conditions in the house. According Khalid Samad, a former assistant safety director for the city who now works for a crime prevention non-profit, told USA Today law enforcement officials told him the women were beaten while pregnant, with unborn children not surviving, and that there was a dungeon of sorts with chains. All the shudders, forever.

In another intense revelation from this story, Emily Castro, Ariel's daughter, is currently serving 25 years in prison for allegedly slashing her 11-month-old daughter's throat four times in 2007. She then cut her own neck and wrists and attempted to drown herself in a nearby creek. She suffers from manic depression diagnosed when she was 13, the court record says.

Ariel Castro's 31-year-old son Anthony, a journalism student who bizarrely/coincidentally wrote an article about Gina DeJesus' disappearance in 2004, says "This is beyond comprehension ... I'm truly stunned right now."

This case just gets more and more mind-blowing and heartbreaking.

[USA Today]

That is shocking. Sadly if the police were called I can see their hands being tied a little if they went out and couldn't see anything that gave them probable cause.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Frankly i find myself agreeing with frazzled. These....... scum - i cannot bring myself to call them men - should be executed without hesitation. if this is not an option then have them live the rest of their lives in isolation, no external contact, denada. I dont care what others say these scum are not even worth the trial. Shoot them and be done with it. Or better yet, announce that you are going to place them in the centre of the town they lived in, and you are going to leave them there and let the public do the rest. Mob justice is good justice.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Some things to note, as someone that grew up minutes from this neighborhood...
1) Cops generally don't hang out on calls if they don't see what was going on.
2) Boarded up houses are not uncommon in the area
a) This should have been amended by the fact that people actually knew a legal resident lived in that house, so he should have been cited for violating city ordinances for having his door nailed shut (fire hazard), and windows boarded up (detracts from the value of surrounding homes)
3) The investigation will reveal if such things like Elise Clinton's call actually did occur, if they did, then the cops that dealt with her call should be reprimanded

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The incompetence of the police in this case is staggering, mind blowing and tragic.

http://jezebel.com/police-visit-cleveland-house-of-horrors-several-times-494824408

Spoiler:

Police Visit Cleveland House of Horrors Several Times, Fail to Note Horrors
In new news from Cleveland's horrific kidnapping case, neighbors are alleging that they called the police multiple times to the home where Ariel Castro and his two brothers held Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus, and Amanda Berry hostage for ten years. Neighbors claim that even though their calls described chilling scenarios — naked women on leashes crawling on all fours and women pounding on windows — they were either ignored, or the police completed very cursory check-ins.

According to neighbors, the situation at Ariel Castro's house was far from non-stop super fun barbecue parties.

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of Castro's house, which had plastic bags on the windows, in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. "They walked to the side of the house and then left," he said.

Neighbors also said they would sometimes see Ariel Castro walking a little girl to a neighborhood playground. And Cintron said she once saw a little girl looking out of the house's attic window.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

Lugo said about two years ago his sister told him she heard a woman pounding on a window at Castro's home as if she needed help. When his sister looked up, she saw a woman and a baby standing in a window half covered with a wooden plank. His sister told him and Lugo called the police.
But wait, there's more!

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.
However, Cleveland officials said they have no record of any calls about criminal activity at the house, but that they are "still combing their records". Ugh.

This is especially heinous news as we learn about the conditions in the house. According Khalid Samad, a former assistant safety director for the city who now works for a crime prevention non-profit, told USA Today law enforcement officials told him the women were beaten while pregnant, with unborn children not surviving, and that there was a dungeon of sorts with chains. All the shudders, forever.

In another intense revelation from this story, Emily Castro, Ariel's daughter, is currently serving 25 years in prison for allegedly slashing her 11-month-old daughter's throat four times in 2007. She then cut her own neck and wrists and attempted to drown herself in a nearby creek. She suffers from manic depression diagnosed when she was 13, the court record says.

Ariel Castro's 31-year-old son Anthony, a journalism student who bizarrely/coincidentally wrote an article about Gina DeJesus' disappearance in 2004, says "This is beyond comprehension ... I'm truly stunned right now."

This case just gets more and more mind-blowing and heartbreaking.

[USA Today]

That is shocking. Sadly if the police were called I can see their hands being tied a little if they went out and couldn't see anything that gave them probable cause.

 Frazzled wrote:
I can. Naked people being taken around on leashes is at best a public nuisance.
People pounding to get out of a house? Sounds like a fire emergency.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Perp 1 "Sorry officer, I didn't realise that our consensual activities were visible to the public. We'll try and not disturb the neighbours next time. Thanks for letting us know, sorry for the inconvenience"

If there's no smoke and no indication of fire or any other probable cause, and no one makes a complaint when the police arrive then can they still enter the premises?

Of course if any officers were negligent in the exercise of their duties they should be reprimanded.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Some things to note, as someone that grew up minutes from this neighborhood...
1) Cops generally don't hang out on calls if they don't see what was going on.
2) Boarded up houses are not uncommon in the area
a) This should have been amended by the fact that people actually knew a legal resident lived in that house, so he should have been cited for violating city ordinances for having his door nailed shut (fire hazard), and windows boarded up (detracts from the value of surrounding homes)
3) The investigation will reveal if such things like Elise Clinton's call actually did occur, if they did, then the cops that dealt with her call should be reprimanded

Thank you for the information.
The boarded up houses would not strike me as a red flag, and the violation of city ordinances - is that handled by the police or a civil body?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Certainly sir, if I could speak to the lady in question to ascertain your statement?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Perp 1 "Sorry officer, I didn't realise that our consensual activities were visible to the public. We'll try and not disturb the neighbours next time. Thanks for letting us know, sorry for the inconvenience"

If there's no smoke and no indication of fire or any other probable cause, and no one makes a complaint when the police arrive then can they still enter the premises?

Of course if any officers were negligent in the exercise of their duties they should be reprimanded.

Certainly sir, if I could speak to the lady in question to ascertain your statement?

 kronk wrote:
It's easy to play Monday Morning DA after something like this.

They'll be investigating these reports to see if there was a feth up. If so, the officers in questions will not only be punished, but will have to live with that feth up for the rest of their lives.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Try them, convict them, and burn them at the stake.

If that makes me a savage, hand me a stone axe and a loincloth and point me to the nearest cave.

 Easy E wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Try them, convict them, and burn them at the stake.

If that makes me a savage, hand me a stone axe and a loincloth and point me to the nearest cave.

So Fraz, can I get on my High Horse again?

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If we violate the constituition in one place, we are ok in doing it in others?

Who's violating the Constitution again? What the are you on about?

 Monster Rain wrote:
Try them, convict them, and burn them at the stake.

If that makes me a savage, hand me a stone axe and a loincloth and point me to the nearest cave.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Try them, convict them, and burn them at the stake.

If that makes me a savage, hand me a stone axe and a loincloth and point me to the nearest cave.

So Fraz, can I get on my High Horse again?

Only if its a hobby horse. He, like most here, are saying "try them."

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If we violate the constituition in one place, we are ok in doing it in others?

Who's violating the Constitution again? What the are you on about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
No cruel or unusual punishment.
Clearly, Your wishes of death annd retribution are an attempt to be cruel.
How is burning someone not cruel?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Many things where common that are illegal now.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Guys I'd be willing to be NO ONE knew or made those calls. Remember what all the neighbors said day one? Even Mr. Ramsey, the hero of the day who lived next door and BBQ'd with the perps had no idea. So me personally, I'll let the cops investigate those claims of multiple calls and visits, but my gut reaction is that someone wants their "15 minutes".

 Alfndrate wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Guys I'd be willing to be NO ONE knew or made those calls. Remember what all the neighbors said day one? Even Mr. Ramsey, the hero of the day who lived next door and BBQ'd with the perps had no idea. So me personally, I'll let the cops investigate those claims of multiple calls and visits, but my gut reaction is that someone wants their "15 minutes".

This is exactly my feelings as well... The news story doesn't have any evidence behind what people are saying. When the investigation happens, they'll look into it.