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As the guy who added Timeline 300 to BoardGameGeek's listing, it's good to see TroubleMaker doing this sort of thing.

Epic 40k/Armageddon fans will be happy to see this, too

Now we need crossover rules for them to fight veritechs and Zentradi.

privateer4hire wrote:
As the guy who added Timeline 300 to BoardGameGeek's listing, it's good to see TroubleMaker doing this sort of thing.

Thanks for the thumbs up privateer4hire. :-)

We'll have a rulebook based on our Timeline 300 rules system ready for Beta testing around the time of product launch... we'd love feedback on that when it comes out!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they still planning to make separate human and ork sprues as a stretch goal? It looks like they've stopped mentioning that idea in favor of metal vehicle add ons.

I really don't want to pledge if half of my money is going to be wasted on a faction I don't want.

We've opened up two new pledge levels today that'll make you happy - the "six half sprues" option.
So now for a modest extra fee that covers our potential to stack up a lot of dead stock, you can Pledge for just Humans or Aliens.

Cheers!

Evil & Chaos wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they still planning to make separate human and ork sprues as a stretch goal? It looks like they've stopped mentioning that idea in favor of metal vehicle add ons.

I really don't want to pledge if half of my money is going to be wasted on a faction I don't want.

We've opened up two new pledge levels today that'll make you happy - the "six half sprues" option.
So now for a modest extra fee that covers our potential to stack up a lot of dead stock, you can Pledge for just Humans or Aliens.

Cheers!

Okay, see now *that* might get me to pledge, as all I want are the Orks.

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Just looked again. I want to support this, but 27 British Pound Sterling equals 42 dollars USD! For six sprues, really three because I want the orc halves.

Usually kickstarters give some kinda discount to ordering.

Is there something I'm missing, or are they really this much? I thought plastic was supposed to bring DOWN the cost of figures. This seems more expensive that what Epic stuff goes for on ebay.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they still planning to make separate human and ork sprues as a stretch goal? It looks like they've stopped mentioning that idea in favor of metal vehicle add ons.

I really don't want to pledge if half of my money is going to be wasted on a faction I don't want.

We've opened up two new pledge levels today that'll make you happy - the "six half sprues" option.
So now for a modest extra fee that covers our potential to stack up a lot of dead stock, you can Pledge for just Humans or Aliens.

Cheers!

Okay, see now *that* might get me to pledge, as all I want are the Orks.

...

Just looked again. I want to support this, but 27 British Pound Sterling equals 42 dollars USD! For six sprues, really three because I want the orc halves.

Usually kickstarters give some kinda discount to ordering.

Is there something I'm missing, or are they really this much? I thought plastic was supposed to bring DOWN the cost of figures. This seems more expensive that what Epic stuff goes for on ebay.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Six half sprues of the aliens, not three.

 chris_valera wrote:


Just looked again. I want to support this, but 27 British Pound Sterling equals 42 dollars USD! For six sprues, really three because I want the orc halves.

Usually kickstarters give some kinda discount to ordering.

Is there something I'm missing, or are they really this much? I thought plastic was supposed to bring DOWN the cost of figures. This seems more expensive that what Epic stuff goes for on ebay.
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That's 12x vehicles, thirty-two bases of infantry, and 12x cannons. Price includes UK postage; Please add £3 for international postage.

Please find me the auctions on ebay that will give you that much for £27, especially over the last few months! (and TBH I think most will say the sprue-bound aliens, and smaller guys, look much better than the old equivalent GW equivalents)

Think that's pretty reasonable..

I'm sorry but we can't price ourselves primarily to compete with the second hand market. No company in the world can do that.
(And as noted above, few eBay auctions for other 6mm armies are going to match our price level in any case)

If you're looking at buying models new, however, 32x bases of infantry (including plastic bases), 12x vehicles and 12x field guns, would cost you well over £27, more like £40-£50 really.

And it'd certainly cost over £25.
Which is what I just dropped the pledge price to, in response to a single (potential) customer's feedback. ;-)


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Evil & Chaos wrote:
I'm sorry but we can't price ourselves primarily to compete with the second hand market. No company in the world can do that.
(And as noted above, few eBay auctions for other 6mm armies are going to match our price level in any case)

If you're looking at buying models new, however, 32x bases of infantry (including plastic bases), 12x vehicles and 12x field guns, would cost you well over £27, more like £40-£50 really.

And it'd certainly cost over £25.
Which is what I just dropped the pledge price to, in response to a single (potential) customer's feedback. ;-)


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I meant that ebay auctions for Epic stuff are expensive, and this stuff is as well.

Can we chose to not take the base sprue, and get an extra sprue of infantry instead? That would up the value, as I have no use for the circular base sprues.

The fact that all the add-ons are metal as well is annoying. The grots and bikers would be a must-have in plastic, in metal they're not even worth considering.

Considering what Reaper's kickstarter gave you, and what the various coolminiornot kickstarters gave you, I'm just not seeing the value here.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Can we chose to not take the base sprue, and get an extra sprue of infantry instead? That would up the value, as I have no use for the circular base sprues.

Sure we'd be happy to swap those out for you, just email us as the crowdfunder ends to identify your order and we'll do the swap.

The fact that all the add-ons are metal as well is annoying. The grots and bikers would be a must-have in plastic, in metal they're not even worth considering.

If you have a spare £5000 available, we can do a sprue of plastic bikers for you. :-)

And I don't know if you've noticed, but we're already doing our best to add plastic Gobblers (not "grots") to the sprue (have you seen the new sprue preview on the gallery?).

Considering what Reaper's kickstarter gave you, and what the various coolminiornot kickstarters gave you, I'm just not seeing the value here.

The Reaper kickstarter raised 3.4 million dollars, you can offer a lot with that kind of funding (economies of scale). We have not raised 3.4 million dollars. If we raise 3.4 million dollars, I'm sure we'll give you more freebies. Heck, we'll do that if we reach ten thousand pounds.

Nor are we taking *any* profit from this crowdfunder, in fact we're currently scheduled to make a multi-thousand pound loss in the short term - we're comfortable with that because we believe in the awesomeness of 6mm scifi.

 chris_valera wrote:
I'm just not seeing the value here.

I'm seeing some value in having people producing 6mm figures, which why I've pledged for this.

Also, my primary interest out of this is a batch of plastic ~IG infantry, which I've so far been unable to find anywhere else for a reasonable price. This seems perfect.

Question: I've already pledged and paid for a box of mixed infantry, but now the faction-specific levels are there how do I go about changing to that? Or does Indigogo not support that as you have to pay up front?

If you'd like to upgrade your pledge, add the additional funds as a pledge-free donation, and email us to let us know which upgraded pledge you'd prefer, cheers!

Evil & Chaos wrote:
Sure we'd be happy to swap those out for you, just email us as the crowdfunder ends to identify your order and we'll do the swap.

Alright, cool.

Evil & Chaos wrote:
And I don't know if you've noticed, but we're already doing our best to add plastic Gobblers (not "grots") to the sprue (have you seen the new sprue preview on the gallery?).

I saw it now, yeah, but if you get it as part of your order, it should be displayed on the main page.

Evil & Chaos wrote:
The Reaper kickstarter raised 3.4 million dollars, you can offer a lot with that kind of funding (economies of scale). We have not raised 3.4 million dollars. If we raise 3.4 million dollars, I'm sure we'll give you more freebies. Heck, we'll do that if we reach ten thousand pounds.

Do you guys think you'll reach ten thousand pounds? I want to pledge for this, but the cost just seems egregious. Maybe GW was right to drop Epic, maybe the gamers just aren't there anymore and there's not enough players to support a 6mm game anymore.

Is Exodus Wars really doing that well?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I'd put some cash into this, but strongly dislike using indiegogo.

*ignores Chris in the hopes that he will go away... *

Also, my primary interest out of this is a batch of plastic ~IG infantry, which I've so far been unable to find anywhere else for a reasonable price. This seems perfect.

Absolutely! Think they have all kinds of uses..

Evil & Chaos - Now that the £6000 has been reached, how soon are we likely to see any new stretch goals?

 Pacific wrote:
*ignores Chris in the hopes that he will go away... *

Heh, that'd be quite rude of me to do the same!

Being serious, I don't think he's being annoying, I just think he doesn't seem to be aware how much 6mm models tend to cost, and he's assuming they should cost 1/5th the price that they really do, or something. :-)

 Pacific wrote:

Evil & Chaos - Now that the £6000 has been reached, how soon are we likely to see any new stretch goals?

I think our major stretch goal at this point can only be to add extra sculpts to the plastic sprue, to offer as much value as possible to our existing pre-order customers.

As to where those extra sculpts exactly get paid for, we're trying to pin that down right now with the factory, and will let everyone know just as soon as they've finished processing our CAD master files. It's my personal belief that we've already achieved and unlocked a few extra sculpts, but I can't confirm anything just yet

 chris_valera wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:
And I don't know if you've noticed, but we're already doing our best to add plastic Gobblers (not "grots") to the sprue (have you seen the new sprue preview on the gallery?).

I saw it now, yeah, but if you get it as part of your order, it should be displayed on the main page.

While it remains technically aspirational, we can't afford to promise an unknown quantity of extra investment. We've already put in several thousand pounds worth of investment behind the scenes to get the ball rolling.

There's always been a line about our aspiration to add extra sculpts on the page, but until we get hard numbers locked down we can't offer as confirmed something that may or may not cost us several thousand pounds more than we've already committed to the project. Hope that makes sense.

 chris_valera wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:
The Reaper kickstarter raised 3.4 million dollars, you can offer a lot with that kind of funding (economies of scale). We have not raised 3.4 million dollars. If we raise 3.4 million dollars, I'm sure we'll give you more freebies. Heck, we'll do that if we reach ten thousand pounds.

Do you guys think you'll reach ten thousand pounds?

Not a clue. Maybe. Not if everyone remaining who's interested but hasn't pledged to date sits it out waiting for free stuff to appear, heh!

 chris_valera wrote:
I want to pledge for this, but the cost just seems egregious.

Honestly, I think our prices compare very well to every other 6mm manufacturer on the market, as well as second hand prices for 6mm scifi from eBay, even.

For example, buying 32x bases of infantry, 32x plastic bases, 10x APC's, from Exodus Wars, would cost over £40.

On the other hand, our set comes with 32x bases of infantry, 32x plastic bases, 12x APC's, and 6x field guns... and we're selling that for £22, including postage. More, for much less.

If you think that our pricing is egregious, I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise, but it's good to look at what other companies are asking for the same amount of models - two or even three times the price (once you factor in postage).

 chris_valera wrote:
Maybe GW was right to drop Epic, maybe the gamers just aren't there anymore and there's not enough players to support a 6mm game anymore.

Maybe.
We're funded, though, and that's not nothing.
Any extra funding now means help towards adding extra sculpts to the plastic sprue, which means benefits for everyone.

Is Exodus Wars really doing that well?

No idea.
I've done some freelance sculpting for them, but I'm not privvy to their sales figures.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I'd put some cash into this, but strongly dislike using indiegogo.

Mind if I ask why?
We could arrange a "private pledge" directly via paypal if you'd prefer?
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Evil & Chaos wrote:
Being serious, I don't think he's being annoying, I just think he doesn't seem to be aware how much 6mm models tend to cost, and he's assuming they should cost 1/5th the price that they really do, or something. :-)

Most kickstarters give you quite the discount, the Reaper kickstarter had crazy value, like $400-500 for a $100 vampire pledge. The Zombicide kickstarters nailed you for full price for the cost of the basic game, but included all sorts of add-ons and a discount on the first "season" of zombicide. Most kickstarters are either a pre-order, or a 50% discount.

Evil & Chaos wrote:
Honestly, I think our prices compare very well to every other 6mm manufacturer on the market, as well as second hand prices for 6mm scifi from eBay, even.

For example, buying 32x bases of infantry, 32x plastic bases, 10x APC's, from Exodus Wars, would cost over £40.

But is that plastic or metal? Isn't the cost of plastic supposed to bring prices down?

Evil & Chaos wrote:
On the other hand, our set comes with 32x bases of infantry, 32x plastic bases, 12x APC's, and 6x field guns... and we're selling that for £22, including postage. More, for much less.

If you think that our pricing is egregious, I'm sure I cannot convince you otherwise, but it's good to look at what other companies are asking for the same amount of models - two or even three times the price (once you factor in postage).

But again, is it plastic or metal? And again, for generic, non-GW figures.

The bases mean nothing to me, since I don't like them, other than the fact that I want to trade them out for more infantry.

My point being is that yeah, there's a discount, but it's about on par with what the old 1998 prices on Epic used to be. Which I am okay with paying, sorta. I'd like to pay less, given that it's generic and non-GW, and that plastic is supposed to bring down the cost of figures.

You're nailing customers for the full cost, up front.

The metal molds run basically forever. Would it be so difficult to just run the machine a few extra times and give customers value for their money?

And that before you get into the fact that the aliens and the humans are on the same sprue, the vehicles and infantry are on the same spruie, there's no variation in weapons... etc etc etc.

It seems you guys might have gotten farther if you had thought this through a little more, and had better sprues. Or run off more of them with a pledge.

I like this idea, I really do. I'd like to see a "battlewagon" sprue and an "big guns" sprue and a "warbuggy" sprue. But I'd like the basic sprue to be more well thought out.

You may wanna take the money you make off this, and restart it on kickstarter with a more well thought out sprue design.

Say whatever you want about liberty and union league, but they discuss stuff so endlessly, the end product is very well thought-out.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:
Being serious, I don't think he's being annoying, I just think he doesn't seem to be aware how much 6mm models tend to cost, and he's assuming they should cost 1/5th the price that they really do, or something. :-)

Most kickstarters give you quite the discount, the Reaper kickstarter had crazy value, like $400-500 for a $100 vampire pledge. The Zombicide kickstarters nailed you for full price for the cost of the basic game, but included all sorts of add-ons and a discount on the first "season" of zombicide. Most kickstarters are either a pre-order, or a 50% discount.

Those kickstarters aren't doing plastics, and metals, on an external budget that most companies use for metals alone.
Furthermore, we're actually swallowing much of the postage cost ourselves, so a modest discount is built in for the crowdfunding pre-orders.

Evil & Chaos wrote:
Honestly, I think our prices compare very well to every other 6mm manufacturer on the market, as well as second hand prices for 6mm scifi from eBay, even.

For example, buying 32x bases of infantry, 32x plastic bases, 10x APC's, from Exodus Wars, would cost over £40.

But is that plastic or metal? Isn't the cost of plastic supposed to bring prices down?

Plastic does bring down prices, that's why you're getting more models if you buy from us, than if you buy from other companies.

The bases mean nothing to me, since I don't like them, other than the fact that I want to trade them out for more infantry.

Which we've offered you already, so I'm not sure why you're raising the topic of bases, again.

140x human infantry, 140x Alien infantry, 10x human APC's, 10x Alien flatbeds, 10x Alien field guns, £22. (or double the amount of one faction's models for £25).
If you want to pre-order that, awesome, we'd really appreciate your support.

[My point being is that yeah, there's a discount, but it's about on par with what the old 1998 prices on Epic used to be. Which I am okay with paying, sorta. I'd like to pay less, given that it's generic and non-GW, and that plastic is supposed to bring down the cost of figures.

If you want GW models, eBay has plenty of them.

You're nailing customers for the full cost, up front.

Hardly. We've put thousands of pounds into this project behind the scenes.
Do you think that you can get two plastics production tools cut, plus a brace of metal moulds, matter printing of master models, production and distribution costs, within the crowdfunding money raised so far? ***
If you can, you should definitely open a miniatures company of your own.

And that before you get into the fact that the aliens and the humans are on the same sprue, the vehicles and infantry are on the same spruie, there's no variation in weapons... etc etc etc.

Adding extra sculpts costs money (about £600 per sculpt, which works out at more like £1000 in pre-orders for each sculpt when you take out production costs).
We're hoping to add extra sculpts, even so, and have likely unlocked a few already (we're discussing this with the factory right now).

I like this idea, I really do. I'd like to see a "battlewagon" sprue and an "big guns" sprue and a "warbuggy" sprue.

That'd cost a good fifteen thousand pounds to tool (you can add the same again in production & distribution costs before we break even).
I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to be asking for thirty thousand pounds for our first crowdfunder - heck, we started off asking for £2250 and the support we've received that has (so far) tripled that ask has been far beyond our expectations (and it means we likely get to deliver more sculpts on the sprue than we originally hoped to fund).

You may wanna take the money you make off this, and restart it on kickstarter with a more well thought out sprue design.

No, we're going to deliver the very best sprue we can, at a private cost of around four thousand pounds, because we respect our customers who have pre-ordered on the understanding that they'll get their sprues in the next few months.

With future plastics projects, we may aim higher, or lower, but we think that this initial foray is something we can realistically and rapidly achieve, and which will pay itself back in the long term.


***Actually, more like 92% of the crowdfunding money raised so far. IGG & Paypal take healthy bites from crowdfunding campaigns (kickstarter takes even more, incidentally).

From the latest Campaign Update:

Hello everyone!

And so the final week begins.

The last month has amazed us at every step, we are incredibly grateful for all the incredible financial support we’ve received so far.

We’re currently dedicating all the funds we can from new pre-orders towards improving the plastic sprue (adding extra poses & sculpts), but that doesn’t mean we can’t offer a cool bonus stretch goal in the final week…

So, without further prevarication, hesitation, delaying, pontificating, mis-direction, concealment, waffle (etc)…

If we hit £8000, every pledge of £45 or more will receive one free infantry & IFVs plastic sprue, and every pledge of £90 more more will receive two free plastic infantry & IFVs sprues.

Thankyou for your continued support!

FREE STUFF, WOOP!

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies

Those vehicle renders look better and better as the campaign progressed. I hope they can achieve most of the detail in plastic... if so, these will be really great for the scale.

Sweet logo!

Do you want a sketch for my mini me, Ben?

 RiTides wrote:
Those vehicle renders look better and better as the campaign progressed. I hope they can achieve most of the detail in plastic... if so, these will be really great for the scale.

Thankyou. Part of what's good about a crowdfunding campaign is that we can respond to customer feedback as we go along, improving the designs according to feedback rather than just putting the sculpts out there and wondering why nobody likes them. :-)

We're confident about getting a lot of detail on there.

fattdex wrote:
Sweet logo!

Aye, it's gonna be on the front of our rulebook & packaging. :-)

Do you want a sketch for my mini me, Ben?

Yup. :-)

Evil & Chaos wrote:

If you want GW models, eBay has plenty of them.

Zing!

I think some of the comments above show how the common perception of crowdfunding has changed to a "massive discount preorder" one, and it's unfair to expect that of all projects, some of whic are actually from newer or smaller companies who don't have the flexibility or cash reserves to over-promise stuff, and are looking instead to quietly generate a small sum to get a product line on the go. I'll be honest and say I wouldn't put the sort of money into this that I have done into projects like Dreadball and Deadzone, and part of that is large discounts on the higher levels, but I still want this project to succeed and I'm happy to contribute a small amount to keep 6mm from dying (further). The fact I get a healthy reward of useful miniatures for the pledge level is obviously a massive plus.

The big 'headline' Kickstarters do have their place in the hobby, but it's unrealistic (and unfair) to expect all project creators to have the setup to match them.

 Riquende wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:

If you want GW models, eBay has plenty of them.

Zing!

I think some of the comments above show how the common perception of crowdfunding has changed to a "massive discount preorder" one, and it's unfair to expect that of all projects, some of whic are actually from newer or smaller companies who don't have the flexibility or cash reserves to over-promise stuff, and are looking instead to quietly generate a small sum to get a product line on the go. I'll be honest and say I wouldn't put the sort of money into this that I have done into projects like Dreadball and Deadzone, and part of that is large discounts on the higher levels, but I still want this project to succeed and I'm happy to contribute a small amount to keep 6mm from dying (further). The fact I get a healthy reward of useful miniatures for the pledge level is obviously a massive plus.

The big 'headline' Kickstarters do have their place in the hobby, but it's unrealistic (and unfair) to expect all project creators to have the setup to match them.

You say Zing, but ebay doesn't have these models, or at the very least, has them at double what the 1998 price was.

You have a fair enough point, but running off a few extra sprues wouldn't be that big of a deal. These sprues cost like 50 cents to make. Running off a few extra wouldn't cost that much. Giving customers value for their money wouldn't be that big of a deal.

I just bought two metal Reaper spiders 9I wanted them in metal) and plan on buying lots of Reaper Bones spiders because they're so cheap ($2.50 for one. versus $10.99 for two metal ones) I just bought a d20 book used on amazon (Vigil Watch Warrens of the Ratmen) for $2.50, which is half-off, and another used book on film-making for a penny + $3.99 shipping. I bought a pack of magnetic bases ($9.99) at full price from a store that's in a bad neighborhood, and could use the money.

I'm looking at epic Ork stuff (like support stuff) on ebay, and at my local stores now, and if I could find any, I'd pledge for this.

I'll probably put in a Reaper order for those Bones spiders, with a few extra figures tossed in to get it to $25 so I can get free shipping.

But it's interesting seeing what's worth my money and what isn't.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

You say Zing, but ebay doesn't have these models, or at the very least, has them at double what the 1998 price was.

You're looking for discontinued product and your point of reference for prices is 1998?

 frozenwastes wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

You say Zing, but ebay doesn't have these models, or at the very least, has them at double what the 1998 price was.

You're looking for discontinued product and your point of reference for prices is 1998?

The 1998 prices were considered to be waaay to high at the time, and helped kill the game. The then-new Epic stuff was detailed, but it wasn't worth that much to most customers. Remember this was when GW was raising prices by an incredible amount. GW pushed too hard, customers revolted, and that was really the beginning of the end of Epic as a core game for GW.

When they released Epic Armageddon much later, the prices were actually cheaper than the 1998 prices. They realized they made a mistake.

GW charges ridiculous prices, 30 bucks for a blister pack that would have cost $8,99 back in 1998.

With Epic stuff being rare the 1998 prices are "correct" but stuff usually sells on ebay for 2x the 1998 price. That seems to be the going rate, and could also be considered the "correct" price, as it is what people are willing to pay for it.

I do keep in mind inflation though. A $40 D&D player's handbook released in 2000 costs $50 today But since these kickstarter figures are generic figures, it cancels out. I can buy Mantic skeletons or Wargames factory zombies for about the same discount versus the GW stuff.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I wish there was a cheaper pledge level for just a single sprue to try out. I've never played 6mm and the only 6mm models I have are plastic Epic pieces I bought to use as statuary on my BFG ships. After the Robotech Kickstarter, 6mm is starting to look more appealing, but I'm just not willing to pay as much as they are asking for a single box, especially since the poses look unvaried. Maybe the prices don't seem so high in pounds, but the price in dollars is just too high for an impulse purchase to "try out" a new line. As Chris pointed out, there are other companies out there with plastic kits in the "why not?" price range that serve as a deterrent for jumping into this campaign right now.

Hi Bob. I'll set you up a single sprue (plus bases?) pledge this evening. :-)

We figured that most people wouldn't be interested in a single sprue because postage is going to be the same as a full 5 sprue set.


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 chris_valera wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

You say Zing, but ebay doesn't have these models, or at the very least, has them at double what the 1998 price was.

You're looking for discontinued product and your point of reference for prices is 1998?

When they released Epic Armageddon much later, the prices were actually cheaper than the 1998 prices. They realized they made a mistake.

Good thing that our sprues are cheaper than GW sprues, then.

GW charge £15 + postage for two sprues + bases (or four half sized sprues + bases, which amount to the same thing but with less variety).
That's £7.50 each.

We're charging £20 + postage for three sprues + bases or five sprues with no bases.
That's £6.66 each, or £4 each if with no bases. And ours come with tanks, not just infantry.


EDIT: I just checked and GW have started to take their 6mm plastics OOP, so your only point of ccomparison now is metal and resin models from other companies, and you can bet we're much cheaper than them!

Thank you. I appreciate it.


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Evil & Chaos wrote:
Good thing that our sprues are cheaper than GW sprues, then.

Yes, but they're generic space aliens, with generic vehicles, but your charging a GW-esque price.

Evil & Chaos wrote:
EDIT: I just checked and GW have started to take their 6mm plastics OOP, so your only point of ccomparison now is metal and resin models from other companies, and you can bet we're much cheaper than them!

That's not a great sales pitch. Oh the GW stuff is long-gone, so we're your only option, tee hee!

And stuff does sell online. This is an old, mint condition infantry box that sold for $37, and there was another auction that sold for a similar price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200934642664?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

The question is, did the guy get it for cheap, or expensive because the GW stuff is out of print.

As I told another poster by PM, I want to pledge to this, but I just don't see the value in this. Most kickstarters give crazy discounts. It doesn't cost hardly anything to keep running the machines. The sprue costs like fifty cents to make. It really looks like you're trying to sell GW-esque product, at GW prices. I think there's a reason these pledges haven't gone anywhere.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com