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Kanluwen wrote: Advanced Warfighter did not have voice commands(at least that I remember); that was Tom Clancy's EndWar. Mass Effect 3 had it as well with the Kinect.
I was also put off by the setting originally, being very irked at the Romans besieging a full on stone fortress in Dover(the historical inaccuracies! argh!) but when they explained that they have their own mythos and a bit of a supernatural twist that will be explored in the months leading up to the game's release I felt a bit better.
I do really think your statement about God of War is right on the money--I think this is Microsoft's attempt to add a God of War styled hack and slash exclusive to their line-up.
Ah yes, endwar, that was it.
EndWar had a lot of problems, which held it back...mostly which could be summed up with the fact it was a RTS game on a console.
Fair point, I just wish if they were going to do a hack and slash not make it the smallest side step away from god of war. Perhaps a d&d inspired one like Demon stone. Man that game was awesome in so many ways. Hard as hell too.
I think (this is sheer spitballing on my part) they think that using a historical setpiece is going to be easier to get acceptance than going for a fantastic setpiece.
They look at God of War and see that it's done well when games like Too Human or Kingdoms of Amalur or Dragon Age/Dragon Age II have not done as well (despite them not being "simple hack and slashes"--you never know how the bean counters think). It's easy for one to start to think that "Maybe if we used a historical setting as the backdrop and modified it to make it more enthralling?" while ignoring that games like Oblivion or Skyrim have done fantastic without the quasihistorical setting.
Be fair Daedalus; both companies showed exclusives and both companies showed some games which were not exclusive.
Hideo Kojima has been talking for quite awhile that exclusives are becoming a "thing of the past" for consoles and it's very true. You see a few exclusives early on in a console's lifetime, but as the independent developers become familiar with the system architecture for the platforms you see less and less exclusives in favor of more shared games.
You'll continue to see first party titles (i.e. "Ryze") but the major developers and the publishers they're associated with are going to want to market to everyone possible.
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Kanluwen wrote: Be fair Daedalus; both companies showed exclusives and both companies showed some games which were not exclusive.
Hideo Kojima has been talking for quite awhile that exclusives are becoming a "thing of the past" for consoles and it's very true. You see a few exclusives early on in a console's lifetime, but as the independent developers become familiar with the system architecture for the platforms you see less and less exclusives in favor of more shared games.
You'll continue to see first party titles (i.e. "Ryze") but the major developers and the publishers they're associated with are going to want to market to everyone possible.
I was just saying that people I have been interacting with have been confusing exclusivity, like I had a friend tell me how amazing it was that FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3? was going to be exclusive to PS4, I told him they weren't and he was literally upset.
I was just saying that people I have been interacting with have been confusing exclusivity, like I had a friend tell me how amazing it was that FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3? was going to be exclusive to PS4, I told him they weren't and he was literally upset.
I wouldn't mind exclusives going away myself.
Because the Sony press conference was a bunch of PR speak. They said something like "FF15 and KH3 are coming to the PS4 and FF14 is a PS4 exclusive!" Apprently everyone missed that, or was hoping for the best. Also the no DRM on PS4, but today there is DRM if the developer chooses to have it. The thing that got them so much cheering is no different than the Xbox approach as far as DRM goes. Now the 24 hour connection is another matter.
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You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
Don't give a damn about exclusivity. Give a damn about not having to deal with BS. Sony has played the PR card better than MS this round so to me they've won (even if a lot of the BS will be the same).
P.S. I haven't owned a Sony Product since the PS1.
I was just saying that people I have been interacting with have been confusing exclusivity, like I had a friend tell me how amazing it was that FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3? was going to be exclusive to PS4, I told him they weren't and he was literally upset.
I wouldn't mind exclusives going away myself.
Can you blame them. MS was throwing the word out left and right about games that actually aren't exclusive (Did Sony do it too?). The companies are playing word games with people so of course they're getting confused.
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If I remember right, the last of us is, is a PS3 exclusive. Not PS4. So at the end of the day it does nothing to tempt me to buy a PS4 over an xboxone. If anything it makes me want to just get a PS3 I much prefer forza over gran turismo, and halo over killzone. In my opinion, Microsoft has the better exclusives, and then as you say, most major games are available on both, so its the exclusives that sell the consoles.
Yes, Last of Us is PS3 exclusive, I just said that a Sony exclusive is superior to all the stuff the Xbox Done gets at start - ratings just go through the roof!
However saying that, the cheaper price and all the issues around game lending and online connection means Sony is getting my money this time around. If Microsoft maybe changed there policies though, I would definitely get one.
Microsoft will backpedal. A LOT. Like a whimsy, little child. And we can all thank Sony for this. THEY are the ones stood up for user rights whereas Microsoft treated their gamers like trash. Fun fact: the same guy that ruined the current gen for Sony is now the head of Microsoft who is about to lose next-gen. A fish rots from the head down.
I had to laugh at the Sony presentation though...I mean, who would have thought that people would outright cheer and give standing ovations because someone announced that you would be able to trade games with your friends? Microsoft really played in Sony's hands this time.
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Fun fact: the same guy that ruined the current gen for Sony is now the head of Microsoft who is about to lose next-gen. A fish rots from the head down.
Really? That's funny
In my opinion, Microsoft has the better exclusives, and then as you say, most major games are available on both, so its the exclusives that sell the consoles.
Not really. Sure exclusives have the power to sell consoles but as other people have said other factors probably play a larger role. What do their friends have? Price point matters to (though I don't hedge on $100 making a massive difference in the long run), and the overall service provided. On two of those fronts Microsoft has lost unless they want to backpedal (which they won't) or want to start a price war with Sony, which in the long run Sony will probably win.
Release dates also matter. In Japan and XBone isn't releasing until next year. At that point they might as well not even bother releasing at all since they've never been popular in Japan and by that point Sony will have probably secured the market. And for all we know Nintendo might finally gets it act together.
Microsoft has resigned itself to selling just in the US and Europe which is a very foolish decision. They needed to try and build their Asian market but it seems the direction they're going is to snub it entirely, while making unpopular announcements and all Sony has to do is sit back and play nice.
It's also worth noting that the exclusives we know of now are just that, exclusives we know of now. Keep in mind that Sony has the largest base of 1st party developers right now, and with how homogenous consoles get with each generation (except for cloudcookoolander Nintendo), 1st party developers are the main source of exclusives.
Microsoft has resigned itself to selling just in the US and Europe which is a very foolish decision. They needed to try and build their Asian market but it seems the direction they're going is to snub it entirely, while making unpopular announcements and all Sony has to do is sit back and play nice.
Keep in mind that Microsoft screwed Europeans over pretty hard as Europeans cannot use most of the Xbone's multimedia features yet still get charged for it.
Bad form for Sony though: going for a 1:1 $ and € ratio is a pretty low-blow. Same thing that Microsoft did, but that means paying 25% more.
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Most exclusives these days seem to be platform-specific DLC or timed-release DLC (which honestly brings up a far bigger and disturbing problem - if the game's aren't done yet, why does DLC even exist? Put it into the game you feth-tards!!!), rather than exclusive games.
As AAA games get more and more expensive to make (which is a separate problem again), the publishing houses will want to make as much money as possible. Limiting your market by limiting your platform doesn't make any business sense. Perhaps in the current gen it makes more sense, what with the difficulties of Sony's Cell process forcing everyone to jump through hoops to make games, but in the next gen, with everyone starting with the same basic tech, there's no reason for that outside of 1st party developers.
Oh, and because I wasn't able to post when it happened yesterday - BOOM. Knockout blow. Shortest console war in history. X-Box go home.
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Don't give a damn about exclusivity. Give a damn about not having to deal with BS. Sony has played the PR card better than MS this round so to me they've won (even if a lot of the BS will be the same).
P.S. I haven't owned a Sony Product since the PS1.
I was just saying that people I have been interacting with have been confusing exclusivity, like I had a friend tell me how amazing it was that FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3? was going to be exclusive to PS4, I told him they weren't and he was literally upset.
I wouldn't mind exclusives going away myself.
Can you blame them. MS was throwing the word out left and right about games that actually aren't exclusive (Did Sony do it too?). The companies are playing word games with people so of course they're getting confused.
From your previous comments about the sony wins and using final fantasy 15 and kingdom hearts 3 as your reference point indicated you didn't know they were cross platform.
Microsoft has resigned itself to selling just in the US and Europe which is a very foolish decision. They needed to try and build their Asian market but it seems the direction they're going is to snub it entirely, while making unpopular announcements and all Sony has to do is sit back and play nice.
Keep in mind that Microsoft screwed Europeans over pretty hard as Europeans cannot use most of the Xbone's multimedia features yet still get charged for it.
Bad form for Sony though: going for a 1:1 $ and € ratio is a pretty low-blow. Same thing that Microsoft did, but that means paying 25% more.
I guess that's why you are a big sour puss for Microsoft. But look on the bright side, you guys get to see movies most of the time before the US, like Iron-man 3 or star trek.
Sigvatr, if I were to use Teclis and Microsoft in the same sentence will you're head explode? I guess we will find out.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Most exclusives these days seem to be platform-specific DLC or timed-release DLC (which honestly brings up a far bigger and disturbing problem - if the game's aren't done yet, why does DLC even exist? Put it into the game you feth-tards!!!), rather than exclusive games.
As AAA games get more and more expensive to make (which is a separate problem again), the publishing houses will want to make as much money as possible. Limiting your market by limiting your platform doesn't make any business sense. Perhaps in the current gen it makes more sense, what with the difficulties of Sony's Cell process forcing everyone to jump through hoops to make games, but in the next gen, with everyone starting with the same basic tech, there's no reason for that outside of 1st party developers.
Oh, and because I wasn't able to post when it happened yesterday - BOOM. Knockout blow. Shortest console war in history. X-Box go home.
This may be news, but console wars are over. This ain't the 90's
Both companies will do very well and both systems are gonna sell.
Like the Ps4 or like the xbox, and by the way there is a sony ps4 thread if you want to go over there.
K thanks
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Rule one folks, lets not start losing it over which console is best please, leave that to dedicated fanboy boards if you will. Dislike, anger direct at the companies for decision making etc is fine, taking pot shots at one another because you prefer console a over console b is not!
Also try to keep the Sony focused talk in the PS4 thread please.
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pities2004 wrote: From your previous comments about the sony wins and using final fantasy 15 and kingdom hearts 3 as your reference point indicated you didn't know they were cross platform.
I didn't but like I said. I don't give a damn about exclusivity. The only games that are on the Xbone that interest me thus far are Halo 5 and Titanfall. One of those I can get on PC if I'm that desperate to suffer Origin or Windows Live, so really I have no reason to want to suffer MS's annoying features.
Any given JRPG (a genre I've always liked but never got to play enough of) will probably end up on PS4 baring a few exceptions. Metal Gear will be there too. Lower price for the console and multiplayer and not having to pay for Netflix? It's not a hard decision for me to make.
This may be news, but console wars are over. This ain't the 90's
They're never over. Of course the fervor shown in the console wars can be quite baffling at times. I still know people who swear by Nintendo no matter what since the days of the N64. Even when they see games they'd like on another system and can afford to pursue it they don't because its not Nintendo.
Also try to keep the Sony focused talk in the PS4 thread please.
It's kind of absurd to expect people to discuss either console in a vacume. Honestly this thread should just be retitled "Next Gen Console Thread" cause that's what's been almost this entire time.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Rule one folks, lets not start losing it over which console is best please, leave that to dedicated fanboy boards if you will. Dislike, anger direct at the companies for decision making etc is fine, taking pot shots at one another because you prefer console a over console b is not!
Read that, carefully. Most of us were referring to Microsoft and them alienating gamers while you were the one referring to individual users again. Keep it to the games / consoles / companies, don't reference other users directly. Feel free to comment on posts.
I am heavily biased against Microsoft now for the exact reasons I explained already in this thread. They alienate gamers. They restrict personal use. They are extremely arrogant and their head CEO seriously asks all users without a steady internet connection to buy a 360. Is that how you market your new console properly?
I am sure that the XBone will still sell well, especially the huge amount of Call of Doody kids might get it due to earlier DLC releases. Sony is the good guy here - they respect personal use, their customers and their ideas of gaming. Compare the Xbox Done presentation to the Sony presentation. Microsoft? Boring trailers. Boring montages. Terrible presenters, very formal layout. Sony? Crowd cheering at them. The fecking chanted "SONY! SONY! SONY!". Journalists gave standing ovations. Their moderators managed to connect to the crowd.
You can be a fanboy, you can argue about a lot of stuff, but Sony winning E3 is an undeniable fact. Feel free to ride against it, but brace yourself for the impact, Don Quijote.
I think that's not a good standard for winning E3. Surely, Sony has won among the gaming press (who frankly have always had a sour relationship with Microsoft anyway). They've surely won among the 'hardcore' people on the internet who have always complained about always online drm and what not. But neither of those things should be taken as indicative of the market as a whole.
Look at CoD and Blizzard. All the things they do that people on the internet scream over and they still break sales records.
My point being different demographics have different expectations. Annecdotally, the people I work with all seemed turned off the XBone, but the people I hang out with are split (and we're a fairly hardcore group for games).
I can say I'm not interested in Microsofts new Xbox one. I dislike all of whats been discussed for features. Somewhat of a bummer since I like to follow along with the halo story line but I refuse to buy Any system because of 1 title or let my friends or family dictate what I buy because they have one. Not when it's 500 dollars.
I like what I'm hearing about sonys new system but we'll have to see.
GW may not be getting any money from me this year if I decide to get a new system or not
Sigvatr wrote: ~Snip~ I am sure that the XBone will still sell well, especially the huge amount of Call of Doody kids might get it due to earlier DLC releases. Sony is the good guy here - they respect personal use, their customers and their ideas of gaming. Compare the Xbox Done presentation to the Sony presentation. Microsoft? Boring trailers. Boring montages. Terrible presenters, very formal layout. Sony? Crowd cheering at them. The fecking chanted "SONY! SONY! SONY!". Journalists gave standing ovations. Their moderators managed to connect to the crowd.
You can be a fanboy, you can argue about a lot of stuff, but Sony winning E3 is an undeniable fact. Feel free to ride against it, but brace yourself for the impact, Don Quijote.
lol, you said Doody. At the end of the day - what have we actually learnt about the PS4? Yes there's some things, but the DRM issue is still in the air - from what I've gathered, Sony is kind of just trolling microsoft, keeping info relatively thin on the ground.
I'm still playing wait-and-see, it's still going to be a little while before we know everything.
That said - charging +£110 for no particular reason is a bit of a pisstake.
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I agree. I'm still in wait an see mode on weither I buy the new sony system but xbox is pretty much dead to me unless they drastically change course which I don't think will happen.
Honestly I just want a gaming console that plays games. I don't need it to do all this other stuff. I already have other devices that do those things. I don't want to pay extra for stuff I don't need or want just so they can jak up the price. I also don't want all their big brother software either.
Yes there's some things, but the DRM issue is still in the air - from what I've gathered, Sony is kind of just trolling microsoft, keeping info relatively thin on the ground.
They've both done this and it is annoying. Microsoft has at this point made their intentions clear, but prior to E3 it was a giant WTF as to what they were really doing.
Now Sony is kind of doing the same. I suspect they intend to do what the rumors lean on; Not insitituting the 24 hour check themselves but rather leaving it to the publisher. That's an important distinction for them though cause it shifts all the blame for it onto the publishers (which I suspect is their goal) and people who hate always online stuff hate the publishers anyway and will be more than happy to keep hating them.
I don't know about that. If that's the case they would be in even more hot water with the player base for the troll on Microsoft if they were doing it as well.
wowsmash wrote: I don't know about that. If that's the case they would be in even more hot water with the player base for the troll on Microsoft if they were doing it as well.
Yeah. That might backfire on them at the same time people might just resolve themselves to the fact that its something they'll have to suffer and go with the company that didn't build the feature into the console itself. That's what I assume Sony is hedging their bets on.
And frankly its not a bad bet. It is the publishers who likely want that feature on the consoles. Microsoft just went "okay" cause they've never really given a damn about consumers to begin with or they thought being cooperative with the publishers would give them an edge over Sony. Meanwhile Sony is stuck in a difficult position; They can refuse to have such a feature at all. If that happens EA, Ubisoft, and Activision will likely start showing clear and favored support for Microsoft in the console war shifting their games and focus to the console that does what they want. Sony can just do it, and get the same hate as Microsoft or they can do what I think they're doing which is gamble on gamer hate blaming the publishers instead of them.
Sigvatr wrote: On another note: I am sure we got some really tech-savy people here at Dakka. Did anyone yet calculate how much an equally strong PC would cost?
About the same (maybe 100-150 more) than the XBox One buying the parts off newegg and assembly and some sales. Totally random guess. Quality of the parts might be questionable though since I'm edging on some of the cheaper manufacturers.
Sigvatr wrote: On another note: I am sure we got some really tech-savy people here at Dakka. Did anyone yet calculate how much an equally strong PC would cost?
About the same (maybe 100-150 more) than the XBox One buying the parts off newegg and assembly and some sales. Totally random guess. Quality of the parts might be questionable though since I'm edging on some of the cheaper manufacturers.
...really? That would make buying a console pretty...short-sighted.
Not necessarily. Like I said. Quality of the parts would be questionable. I'm not a huge company about to mass produce a machine. High quality parts closer to maybe $800-900. Of course, buying the right low quality parts can make something cheap a real steal. Cheap motherboards for example aren't always that bad if you can deal with slow boot up and don't plan on upgrading. Newegg also does a lot of sales and bundle deals and you can get lucky sometimes.
EDIT: And of course, some of the stuff people complain about on the XBone has been on PC for years.
EDIT EDIT: Actually now I'm curious. I'll do the math after my LoL match.
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I'll use This Bundle deal here for a GeForce 660 and a Core i5 a $385.98 so right there I've already practically broken the bank proving I was way off almost from the start (and the GPU is likely underpowered compared to the XBone and PS4). Using the mail in rebate this goes down to $375.95.
So that's GPU, CPU, mobo, power supply, and RAM. We can use the onboard sound and skip a sound card. We'll grab a cheap CPU fan for $28.99 and a small hard drive for $49.99 and the total comes to $644.99. So with that, maybe I've hit my extra $150 mark. EDIT: Up! Forgot CD drive. That's what I get for using Steam. $20. EDIT EDIT: And I forgot the tower too which is what I get for having the same one for a decade XD. Get a cheap one for $60. If you're really enterprising make one yourself for free. So yeah. More like $200 assuming your building an entire tower.
Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, and OS not included. That would rocket the price at least another $139.99 (for Windows 7), $100 (cheap monitor), and $25 for a cheap mouse and keyboard so $900+. I assume though most people already have such items generally. Tax and shipping also not included.
Someone can check my work here. Surely there are people better with this stuff than I (and new egg is a huge site, hours could probably be spent doing this). I just kind of threw all this together at a glance so all the parts might not mesh with each other. Maybe if you hunted around New Egg for the best deals you'd find $20-40 in savings by buying different things with sales or rebates.
I think this would probably would play the launch titles for the XBone and PS4, it probably won't play them well.
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Quickius Timius Eventius lmao. Best line by far. Thought "For this Beard I paid the Iron Price" was pretty good too.
My buddy who runs a YouTube channel is dreading the new video uploads. It's gonna get really hard to get noticed by anyone when everyone and their grandmother can upload their commentaries at the press of a button. Poor guy
LordofHats wrote:Not necessarily. Like I said. Quality of the parts would be questionable. I'm not a huge company about to mass produce a machine. High quality parts closer to maybe $800-900. Of course, buying the right low quality parts can make something cheap a real steal. Cheap motherboards for example aren't always that bad if you can deal with slow boot up and don't plan on upgrading. Newegg also does a lot of sales and bundle deals and you can get lucky sometimes.
EDIT: And of course, some of the stuff people complain about on the XBone has been on PC for years.
EDIT EDIT: Actually now I'm curious. I'll do the math after my LoL match.
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I'll use This Bundle deal here for a GeForce 660 and a Core i5 a $385.98 so right there I've already practically broken the bank proving I was way off almost from the start (and the GPU is likely underpowered compared to the XBone and PS4). Using the mail in rebate this goes down to $375.95.
So that's GPU, CPU, mobo, power supply, and RAM. We can use the onboard sound and skip a sound card. We'll grab a cheap CPU fan for $28.99 and a small hard drive for $49.99 and the total comes to $644.99. So with that, maybe I've hit my extra $150 mark. EDIT: Up! Forgot CD drive. That's what I get for using Steam. $20.
Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, and OS not included. That would rocket the price at least another $139.99 (for Windows 7), $100 (cheap monitor), and $25 for a cheap mouse and keyboard so $900+. I assume though most people already have such items generally. Tax and shipping also not included.
Someone can check my work here. Surely there are people better with this stuff than I (and new egg is a huge site, hours could probably be spent doing this). I just kind of threw all this together at a glance so all the parts might not mesh with each other. Maybe if you hunted around New Egg for the best deals you'd find $20-40 in savings by buying different things with sales or rebates.
I think this would probably would play the launch titles for the XBone and PS4, it probably won't play them well.
You also forgot Case and Cables.
You should be able to make an equivalent machine, without monitor, keyboard or mouse, for the same or slightly cheaper.
Of course, you then later need to upgrade to keep up with the current requirements, which is where for me, Consoles have their place - buy a new one every X years, rather than trickling upgrades in.
