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I don't necessarily agree that with GW older equals better. Pre-6th edition codices were plagued with internal balance issues and entries missing miniatures. Try telling Tyranid or Space Wolf players, who had to wait years for, say, their Thunderwolves and Tervigons that the way GW handled things in the past was better than the current policy.

I am awaiting what there gonna do with Tyranids. I'm expecting a Tyrannogaunt and a Gormafex. Anyway the Riptide looks pretty cool, even though the head looks unproportionate as hell, and the Wraith Knight is just a big Wraithlord with a headswap and new weapons. I think that we probably never gonna get a SoB update considering they only have time to make 4 kits every month.

 Icarusthepilot wrote:
Just because they are putting out more stuff than before doesn't mean you have to buy it. I like having more choices, and to be honest, I thought the new Tau stuff was pretty cool.

I will admit, however, that I am really disappointed that White Dwarf feels more like a monthly catalogue anymore.

I understand where you are coming from though. Look at what happened to Madden or Call of Duty. It feels like the same game every year with different guns and maps.

Call of Madden is a brilliant idea.

 frozenwastes wrote:
The thing that makes them bland to me is not that they look the same as other things, but that they amped up the cartoony big time over the last couple of years. GW has always had a cartoony/childish aesthetic, but lately it's been even more exaggerated.

I keep expecting each new big GW kit to come with kung-fu grip or karate-chop action.

 Goliath wrote:
That's the largest available at the moment, for the low low price of £230.
If they release a plastic one I will be both very happy and very annoyed. Happy because I get to use a gargantuan Squiggoth in my army, annoyed because I've spent all of my free time over the past two weeks making a mechanical one out of plasticard..

Don't worry, I can almost guarantee it won't see a release in plastic. After the valkyrie GW quit converting FW models into plastic kits, for...reasons.

I guess they figured that they were just stealing money from themselves. They assume people are so fanatical about their products that they'll buy them at any price, so with that in mind why would you offer an expensive FW kit in more affordable plastic when everyone who wants one is just going to buy it from FW at £230? That's not true at all obviously, only a small portion of the fanbase can really afford to shell out that kind of money for a model so it's either wait for plastic or nothing, but it has to be how they're looking at it because otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever not to make them, especially designs as old as the Tau barracuda or the CSM hell blade fighter which surely have made most of the money they're going to as boutique resin models at this point. I'd love a trio of barracudas but as much as I like the model, I simply can't justify spending $360 on them. It would be a lot easier however to justify buying three of them in plastic...it's still a huge chunk of money for three little plastic models, but there's a lot more perceived value for that kit because of the premium FW price and the quality of the design compared to gakky sun shark. I know I keep harping on about that model but seriously, what the feth? It's not even ugly in a good way like the A-10 warthog, it's just plain bad.

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide.

Everything is wrong with the riptide. It's an ugly model with "meh" rules and really stupid fluff. But I'll agree to disagree at this point.

 Nafarious wrote:
Nothing needed to change, they didn't need to introduce some new giant ethereal to lead the tau.

"Aun'va SMASH!"

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I don't necessarily agree that with GW older equals better. Pre-6th edition codices were plagued with internal balance issues and entries missing miniatures. Try telling Tyranid or Space Wolf players, who had to wait years for, say, their Thunderwolves and Tervigons that the way GW handled things in the past was better than the current policy.

You appear to have missed the point of this thread entirely. This isn’t a black and white case of “old = better”, it’s about recent releases lacking imagination (ie. each release seems to centre around 1 oval base monster, 1 flyer, 1 plastic infantry hybrid kit, 1 plastic character, some scattered FineCost minis). Furthermore codices still have internal balance issues, it’s been this way since 2nd Ed, and that has nothing to do with ‘bland releases’. Finally we’re getting the reverse of the ‘missing model’ problem in that kits that need replacing (Jetbikes!) are languishing with ancient kits whilst they foist newer (and blander) big-base monsters and flyers on us.

 Fafnir wrote:

I keep expecting each new big GW kit to come with kung-fu grip or karate-chop action.

Or maybe those spring loaded plastic missiles.


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 Sidstyler wrote:

"Aun'va SMASH!"

Anyone ever see the Southpark episode with the shakeweights?

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

Also fluff wise - why isnt a squiggoth red?

The question there is more "Why aren't Squigs green?" All the beasts in an ork army are "Orkoid" meaning they're fungal, and generally large, green and angry. The Squig is an exception, as its still angry, but it's small and red instead.

Squigs were originally a Nid monster that used Orkoid DNA and when they meet the Orks, the Orks realised what they were and took them as pets.
RT fluff not withstanding, few Squigs are actually Red. there are many variants of them coming in all shapes and colours but only the Red ones and Hair-Squigs have so far gotten miniatures.

'What's a Hair-Squig?' Someone may ask, 'I've never seen it before.'

Orks don't grow hair.
Think about it...

 Kettu wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

Also fluff wise - why isnt a squiggoth red?

The question there is more "Why aren't Squigs green?" All the beasts in an ork army are "Orkoid" meaning they're fungal, and generally large, green and angry. The Squig is an exception, as its still angry, but it's small and red instead.

Squigs were originally a Nid monster that used Orkoid DNA and when they meet the Orks, the Orks realised what they were and took them as pets.
RT fluff not withstanding, few Squigs are actually Red. there are many variants of them coming in all shapes and colours but only the Red ones and Hair-Squigs have so far gotten miniatures.

'What's a Hair-Squig?' Someone may ask, 'I've never seen it before.'

Orks don't grow hair.
Think about it...

I'm pretty sure the Oiler Squig has seen a model at some point, on one of the Grot weapon crews - second one in on this picture.

They used to package a small squig with many character figures years ago. There were about a dozen different micro-squigs that were put in packs randomly, I managed to get the set at GW HQ.

They're at the bottom of this page - http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Space_Orks_-_1991_Runtherdz,_Runts_%26_Squigs

When I asked for them I had a few other little creatures packaged in as well that might not strictly have been 'squigs'.

Ah yes. Those Squigs.

First time I saw them was in the Rogue Trader Tyranid army list in WD 145.

Tyranids had Squig swarms and Zoats. And people say it wasn't better years ago?

That's not what people are saying.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah yes. Those Squigs.

First time I saw them was in the Rogue Trader Tyranid army list in WD 145.

My favorite one:



It's just so strange. I painted mine in ork tones, but with read pulsing veins. I wish I still had it, but I sold my orcs after being really disappointed with the departure of the game from a platoon skirmish to a quasi-company sized game.

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

This is the part that I don't like.
I like the model.
I like the concept.
I like the background behind the model (Twins, similar to paired revenants, except one is dead)
I do not like the fact that I could buy a Baneblade, Stompa or Mega-Dread for exactly the same price.

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

This is the part that I don't like.
I like the model.
I like the concept.
I like the background behind the model (Twins, similar to paired revenants, except one is dead)
I do not like the fact that I could buy a Baneblade, Stompa or Mega-Dread for exactly the same price.

I agree here

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

This is the part that I don't like.
I like the model.
I like the concept.
I like the background behind the model (Twins, similar to paired revenants, except one is dead)
I do not like the fact that I could buy a Baneblade, Stompa or Mega-Dread for exactly the same price.

It's ok, I'm sure GW have a plan to solve that problem imminently.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

This is the part that I don't like.
I like the model.
I like the concept.
I like the background behind the model (Twins, similar to paired revenants, except one is dead)
I do not like the fact that I could buy a Baneblade, Stompa or Mega-Dread for exactly the same price.

It's ok, I'm sure GW have a plan to solve that problem imminently.

Hmmmm Let me guess... Raise the prices of the super heavies?

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 FenWulf29 wrote:

 Nafarious wrote:
There is not a single problem with the new tau riptide. Or the wraith knight.

So it not a problem that GW are charging super heavy tank prices for and upsized wraithlord.

This is the part that I don't like.
I like the model.
I like the concept.
I like the background behind the model (Twins, similar to paired revenants, except one is dead)
I do not like the fact that I could buy a Baneblade, Stompa or Mega-Dread for exactly the same price.

It's ok, I'm sure GW have a plan to solve that problem imminently.

Hmmmm Let me guess... Raise the prices of the super heavies?

Only 3 days till we find out! (maybe).

I don't see it the new releases as bland as much as I see it as ... corporate. I use that word in a derogatory manner in this case.

Hmm by bland i really mean predictable - I wasn't surprised when I saw the wraithknight, thus iwasnt happy or pleased by it. Whereas if there where new jetbikes i would of been more interested

Does it really matter what the speed of the updates are? in the current meta of hide beind the aegis and the only vehicles anyone takes flyers, does it really what artwork is hiding behind the aegis or zipping around the board?

I agree with OP that the updates are getting bland, I remember getting excited about new releases, even for armies I have no intention in playing/collecting, I just like to see what new stuffs people are getting. But this recent one kinda pushed me off the edge, it's just as everyone have said "One giant MC, one flyer, reboxing old models, etc...", it would've been better if they made units that highlight the strength of each army rather than just lazily throw in a flyer or something. May be they could've given Eldar a flyer defence that isn't a flyer or flakk missile equivalent? May be a psychic power that make them roll on the mishap table? I don't know, something different!

Now, I must say that I'm sure they have fluff and all to go with that giant anime robot of Eldar, or their bootleg razorwing jetfighter, and I'm not saying anyone is wrong if they enjoy these new releases.

It is predictable, I also like checking out all the new stuff even if I won't collect it just because its fun. Not surprising though. Hollywood is doing it to. Rather than take a chance and make something new their just kicking out repeats of other movies. We're going on what the 4th batman remake now? I've lost count. The last release that really had me salivating was he Necron release and I don't even play them. It did get me to buy the codex just to read though. The last 3 or 4 release have been ok but inside I'm like "is that it".

 wowsmash wrote:
It is predictable, I also like checking out all the new stuff even if I won't collect it just because its fun. Not surprising though. Hollywood is doing it to. Rather than take a chance and make something new their just kicking out repeats of other movies. We're going on what the 4th batman remake now? I've lost count. The last release that really had me salivating was he Necron release and I don't even play them. It did get me to buy the codex just to read though. The last 3 or 4 release have been ok but inside I'm like "is that it".

Although, ironically, its the other way around with GW. Why take a risk redoing something old, that people won't necessarily buy unless they like it more than the one they have already, when you can release something new with strong rules that almost railroads a player into buying it, whether they especially want to or not?

 azreal13 wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
It is predictable, I also like checking out all the new stuff even if I won't collect it just because its fun. Not surprising though. Hollywood is doing it to. Rather than take a chance and make something new their just kicking out repeats of other movies. We're going on what the 4th batman remake now? I've lost count. The last release that really had me salivating was he Necron release and I don't even play them. It did get me to buy the codex just to read though. The last 3 or 4 release have been ok but inside I'm like "is that it".

Although, ironically, its the other way around with GW. Why take a risk redoing something old, that people won't necessarily buy unless they like it more than the one they have already, when you can release something new with strong rules that almost railroads a player into buying it, whether they especially want to or not?

Yes, it is the other way around. Most of us wanted re makes of some of the old aspect warriors, and jetbikes. Whereas GW release a new kit which current eldar players would buy because they already have most of the other stuff. Take note that I am not an eldar player, so this is bad for me

For my part, I usually like the infantry kits such as Pathfinders, Wraithguard and Shadow Warriors, but the big stuff leaves me cold and I couldn't care less about the fliers, which I maintain are ridiculous in a 28mm scale game.

I honestly enjoyed the new release even if predictable. the new kits were refreshing and nice. I enjoy the flier it is a good model, great shape converting potential everywhere. I also like supplement release dex's their price is cringing, but if i haven't seen it yet, it maybe be a whole codex - who knows.

This lack of imagination is kinda depressing to me - sure the wraith knight price is immense, but that model is taller than a rip tide. Can say more than that. If it was equal to a rip tide it would be 30$ less.

I would rather have "bland updates" that don't out date your entire collection and bring your codex to a good six edition quality (the balance of armies have been good the last few Dex's show this). Especially because these "bland" updates feature at least two kits i thought were sexy and awesome. Maybe i just enjoy models to much. Maybe i am not picky enough. Maybe i just hate the hell turkey and think it is an abomination of pointy gak. But others like it.

The fliers in the game are good, rules were not thought out, but they are good.

I liked this release, orks are still 4th ed. I hope they are coming up on the roster soon, but we all know space marines got to go before their xenos.

 Flashman wrote:
For my part, I usually like the infantry kits such as Pathfinders, Wraithguard and Shadow Warriors, but the big stuff leaves me cold and I couldn't care less about the fliers, which I maintain are ridiculous in a 28mm scale game.

Exalted.

Flyers and super-heavies in 28mm are stupid, full stop.

 Flashman wrote:
For my part, I usually like the infantry kits such as Pathfinders, Wraithguard and Shadow Warriors, but the big stuff leaves me cold and I couldn't care less about the fliers, which I maintain are ridiculous in a 28mm scale game.

Very much agreed on this.

I really do wish they'd just release all the new books at the beginning of the edition and then focus on models, but that will never happen.