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**lone dirty dog**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'm 50-50 on it myself, I think I'd use them no matter which scale, but I hope they make a decision soon.

It's not something they can make afterwards, I'd see folks pulling pledges rather than risk the wrong scale, but they now are in the odd position that no matter which way they go, odds are they will loose some people.

This is what I am saying however they could end up loosing a lot more backers if they don't clarify rather than if they do, if the majority of the backers are after the traditional style (as stated earlier 70%) then fine go that way it would make economical sense.

All though I don't see that percentage myself or even how that was founded, but I am willing to loose out to the greater need.

However there is also the after Kickstarter market sales which to be honest is where most of the money will come from, once the larger gaming population see the miniatures that will decide the interest as to scale.

RH may have their hardcore backers which will bring the miniatures to the market and love they're early style, but will this reflect in the future market ?

**AlexHolker**

alanmckenzie wrote:
My only concern, as other share, is that they tower over space marines.

That's GW's fault, not Raging Heroes'. Unless you expect everyone to move to 25mm scale, Space Marines will never be in scale with anything else, ever, until someone produces a truescale Space Marine plastic kit.

**MajorWesJanson**

AlexHolker wrote:
alanmckenzie wrote:
My only concern, as other share, is that they tower over space marines.

That's GW's fault, not Raging Heroes'. Unless you expect everyone to move to 25mm scale, Space Marines will never be in scale with anything else, ever, until someone produces a truescale Space Marine plastic kit.

If they tower over space marines, they tower over IG as well, making them look absurdly out of place. GW Space Marines vs GW guard is a GW scaling problem. Raging Heroes models being far taller than GW Space Marines and Guard is something RH can do something about easily. Keep the proportions, shrink the models down a tad, like in their animated gif. They are still taller, but not so badly that they are potentially useless to those of us who want to use them in GW armies.

**alanmckenzie**

Exactly Wes. Alex, it's no-ones fault, it's just how things are. I agree that space marines aren't scaled properly, few things are.

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MajorWesJanson wrote:
Keep the proportions, shrink the models down a tad, like in their animated gif. They are still taller, but not so badly that they are potentially useless to those of us who want to use them in GW armies.

...and are still very useful to those who don't want to use them as IG.

**Fafnir**

AlexHolker wrote:
alanmckenzie wrote:
My only concern, as other share, is that they tower over space marines.

That's GW's fault, not Raging Heroes'. Unless you expect everyone to move to 25mm scale, Space Marines will never be in scale with anything else, ever, until someone produces a truescale Space Marine plastic kit.

Chapterhouse did. Then GW's lawyers came along.

**lone dirty dog**

Fafnir wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
alanmckenzie wrote:
My only concern, as other share, is that they tower over space marines.

That's GW's fault, not Raging Heroes'. Unless you expect everyone to move to 25mm scale, Space Marines will never be in scale with anything else, ever, until someone produces a truescale Space Marine plastic kit.

Chapterhouse did. Then GW's lawyers came along.

So did Hit-The-Spot and got shut down, but that has no reference to this issue, this is down to RH as to what market it is interested in, but either way they need to give clarity to it.

**Fafnir**

HTS's truescales were the same ones Chapterhouse sold, if I remember correctly.

But the sooner other companies stop trying to fit in with GW, the sooner they'll stop having to depend on them.

**lone dirty dog**

Fafnir wrote:
HTS's truescales were the same ones Chapterhouse sold, if I remember correctly.

But the sooner other companies stop trying to fit in with GW, the sooner they'll stop having to depend on them.

Yes, they were his but he also produced a set independently ( which were way better ), Why do you think it is just to fit with GW ? Other companies do heroic scale as well as GW you know.

Basically you don't like heroic scale or GW fine we get it, but this is not an argument over the scale itself but clarification as to what scale they are using.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

If the come to a firm decision on size/scale of the troops then I suspect they'll loose 10-20% of their pledges from people to just can't live with either tall & leggy or GW style stumpies

The question is if the carry on dithering until the KS ends (which will also mean some pledges cancel) will their losses be more or less ?

My guess is less so expect them to carry on thinking about things until it's too late

(my personal vote would be tall leggy RH style for the lot, but as thins thread shows there are equally strong opinions in the other direction)

**MajorWesJanson**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If the come to a firm decision on size/scale of the troops then I suspect they'll loose 10-20% of their pledges from people to just can't live with either tall & leggy or GW style stumpies

The question is if the carry on dithering until the KS ends (which will also mean some pledges cancel) will their losses be more or less ?

My guess is less so expect them to carry on thinking about things until it's too late

(my personal vote would be tall leggy RH style for the lot, but as thins thread shows there are equally strong opinions in the other direction)

If they go with the tall design, or don't decide by the 5th or so, I'll probably bow out. Apocalypse is calling me.

**PsychoticStorm**

Is it the right time to point out GW models are around 30mm and not 25 or 28mm?

SM are around 32mm and IGs are around 30mm

Sooo why RH should make their models 28mm?

**jonolikespie**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
Is it the right time to point out GW models are around 30mm and not 25 or 28mm?

SM are around 32mm and IGs are around 30mm

Sooo why RH should make their models 28mm?

I thought they were 28mm but you measure to the eyes, not the top of the head (which would be 30/32mm)?

**Crimson**

jonolikespie wrote:

I thought they were 28mm but you measure to the eyes, not the top of the head (which would be 30/32mm)?

That's correct. Cadians are about 28mm to their eye level.

**Username Invalid**

Just going to toss in my 2 cents.

I am actually quite satisfied with the planned rework. But, personally, the ideal for me would be 1/3/3.5 proportions at a height of about 28mm to the eye or so, allowing them to have their own correctly proportioned look while still blending height wise.

Honestly though, the area these WIPs need the most work is the head, the blank sunken cheeks and the engraved lines running from forehead down the back of the helmet bear almost no resemblance to the armoured face-mask and Russian tanker style helmet in the concept artwork. Not saying the current sculpt is bad... I just really liked that helmet design in the concept art.

Also, glad they've got plans to reduce the breast size to somewhere within the realm of sanity.

Cheers.

**PsychoticStorm**

That is the great debate and no, I refuse to acknowledge the old Napoleonics "measure to eye" standard.

For me a model is from feet to top of head.

**Crimson**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
That is the great debate and no, I refuse to acknowledge the old Napoleonics "measure to eye" standard.

For me a model is from feet to top of head.

You can refuse to accept it, but that's what people usually mean when they say 28mm miniature.

**Herzlos**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
That is the great debate and no, I refuse to acknowledge the old Napoleonics "measure to eye" standard.

For me a model is from feet to top of head.

Does that mean a model with a tall hat (like a wizard) is in a larger scale than an identical model with a bare head?

**PsychoticStorm**

Crimson wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
That is the great debate and no, I refuse to acknowledge the old Napoleonics "measure to eye" standard.

For me a model is from feet to top of head.

You can refuse to accept it, but that's what people usually mean when they say 28mm miniature.

No and this is why the debate goes on for so much time, most of the new companies measure from toe to head and essentially assign scale, old companies just assign from toe to eyes that's why many "to eyes" measured figures are so inconsistent.

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Herzlos wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
That is the great debate and no, I refuse to acknowledge the old Napoleonics "measure to eye" standard.

For me a model is from feet to top of head.

Does that mean a model with a tall hat (like a wizard) is in a larger scale than an identical model with a bare head?

No because you measure up to were the head should go, not where any hypothetical accessory and headgear ends, or you expect an eyeless model to have no scale in to eyes measurement.

**Tannhauser42**

I have to ask: is 2-4mm taller really"towering" over a space marine when you're looking at a model on the table from four feet away?

**Crimson**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I have to ask: is 2-4mm taller really"towering" over a space marine when you're looking at a model on the table from four feet away?

Yes. Marines are already slightly taller than IG (Even though not as much as they should be.) Humans that are taller than them look odd in 40K.

**PsychoticStorm**

Yes, in that scale 1mm is quite a bit, assuming 40k is at 1/58 (humor me here cause it is heroic scale) 1mm difference is almost 6 cm .

Alternatively its an entirely different scale a 28mm tall miniature representing a 1,75 tall human would be roughly 1/62 scale a 30mm one would be roughly 1/58.

**keltikhoa**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I have to ask: is 2-4mm taller really"towering" over a space marine when you're looking at a model on the table from four feet away?

have to agree here. I have some of the RH preying mantis and SF blood vestals. I use them in my daemons army as daemonettes. BOTH are shorter than the new crap looking daemonettes, but on the table you do not notice.

That being said looking at the comparison picture that includes the blood vestal, guardsman, and dark eldar, the blood vestal looks about on par size wise as the dark eldar. which means gw's own lines are ridiculously inconsistent, as I already stated the gw daemonette is taller than the blood vestal. Enough so that the GW daemonette IS actually a full head taller then the GW guardsman, not just 2mm.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Seconded. I use Dreamforge Eisenkern as my IG anyway, so I'm a little less concerned about model height. Maybe it is my strong myopia, but I cannot distinguish between models that are (tops) 2mm taller. At 4mm, I agree that I could spot the difference, but that's a half centimeter, it's a bit more understandable.

**Ouze**

As I'm increasingly moving away from Games Workshop - I actually haven't gotten anything direct from them in a really long time - I'm not too concerned about the scale being exactly right. "In The ballpark" is close enough for me.

I just care that the models look good and appear about right compared with the vehicles.

**Crimson**

keltikhoa wrote:

That being said looking at the comparison picture that includes the blood vestal, guardsman, and dark eldar, the blood vestal looks about on par size wise as the dark eldar. which means gw's own lines are ridiculously inconsistent, as I already stated the gw daemonette is taller than the blood vestal. Enough so that the GW daemonette IS actually a full head taller then the GW guardsman, not just 2mm.

What? Eldar are supposed to be taller than humans, so that dark eldar is actually correctly scaled when compared to the IG soldier. And Daemonettes are not humans, they can easily be taller. It is IG compared to Space Marines scaling where GW has a problem.

**prankster**

LnR Update 30 wrote:
Unlocking Shashenka, Yaga Soul Weaver
Update #30 · Jun 27, 2013 · 9 comments

Shashenka is the last Yaga Soul Weaver to be unlocked in this Kickstarter before we release Baba Yaga, the Soul Weaver matriarch.

As we mentioned when we revealed Svetlana, the Kurganova Freedom Fighter, the Kurganovas are torn between the chaos of their paganistic roots and the rigid order of their modern high-tech ultra hierarchic society.

The Yaga Soul Weavers stand in the middle of this perpetual turmoil. The powers that be tolerate their existence because the immense power they bring to battle, but at the same time, distrust these unpredictable forces, fearing that they could overthrow the current regime.

So the Soul Weavers are viewed with mixed feelings of respect, fear and disdain.

And for those who might have missed this in previous update, “the Yaga Soul Weavers channel the forces of ancient spirits through their cyber-enhanced shamanism. They work as a team on the battlefield, each of them serving as a relay and an amplifier of the shamanic forces. And one of their key skill is that they are able to unleash the power of the 'were' gene. This gene was discovered by Kurganova scientists and is the key to turn people in were-animals (like were-wolves or were-bears, for example). And so, the Yaga sorceresses are able to turn some of the very rigid and disciplined Kurganova Troops into furious and unstoppable wild beasts.”

Stay tuned for more unlocks coming up later today.

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I think the Yaga Soul Weavers are growing on me the more we see of them. Certainly going to have to include some in my pledge.

Now, lets hope for something different, like The Lulu's for the second unlock of the day.

**KalashnikovMarine**

She's got leeeegs and she knows how to use them.

I'm kinda disappointed we haven't seen KST werewolf troopers. Maybe in place of the mech?

**BobtheInquisitor**

Perhaps RH should keep the Kurganova troops in GW-compatible scale since they are the most obvious "counts as" army and make the heroines, the IE and the Jailbirds all "truish" scale, with the tall and skinny shape.

**PsychoticStorm**

Having internal deviation of scale will be catastrophic for their long term growth.

**alanmckenzie**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
Having internal deviation of scale will be catastrophic for their long term growth.

Definitely. They really can't do that. I also wouldn't want them to make their heroines any different from their regular troops. I don't think they will but I have seen one or two mention it.

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The debate about proportions is one thing, but with regards to size/height/"scaling", I really think we may all be worrying too much. I'm sure they aren't going to be giants, nor are they going to be tiny. They'll end up being more or less the same as the K sisters and it'll be fine. If they do come out slightly taller than we want, we'll just mount them on 2mm bases. No biggie.

As for proportions, never gonna please everyone, but I'm sure they aren't going to be disastrous either. This is a p&m thread I'm following, there's a pic of one the k sisters amongst some (smartly painted) ig. Looks fine.