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I'm really disappointed by this update. I'm still really optimistic about how all the models are going to look. I'm hoping they'll take me out to Mordor and still bring me home to the Shire, but I've started to become dismayed with the journey at this point. I'm feeling less and less sure that I'll ever see anything; depression is beginning to set it. I had hopes of getting in on their Dark Elves, but if I don't have minis in my hands by the time that Kickstarter goes off, I'm not going to be able to give them any more money on account.

Nevertheless, the sculpts looked pretty awesome. That gun came out way better looking than the concept art led me to believe it was going to, so that's a positive step.

And, if I'm being honest, this represents more informative, honest, and forthright communication than I get from Games Workshop, so there's that. Although that feels a little like someone saying "my wife is nicer to me than that guy who mugged me in an alley once, so she can't be all bad..."

I agree that the Nertha image was kind of lame, Buzzsaw, but the Svetlana/Werewolf one was wholly new, and rocked socks, no? I'm not really looking for anything impressive with this digital artbook, though. It's a digital book. If they wanted to do something cool or snazzy they would have printed it. I mean, a digital book might as well just be an album on Photobucket. Still, it's free, so I've got that to look forward to.

Well, regarding this update, this wasn't the one we were looking for, as they said, remember?

Many words but with not a lot of showing for it. Oh well, at least they more or less said that it won't be September, but instead later this Fall (maybe).

Biggest sad for me.. No Wolfenstein in ze first wave, zut alors!

Oh well, worse things can happen I suppose.

Whilst it's good to see an update, I still don't see why they've waited this long before posting something that's still image light. The information in it could have easily been split into several smaller updates to be posted over the past few weeks. Keeps them involved in things and reassures backers that are getting a bit restless with the lack of information.

Content wise, the only thing I'm not overly joyous about is the potential for them stripping options out of the command box on the suggestion that people don't like duplication. Sure, they have the tripod mounted weapons, but when you're looking at a large number of heavy weapons there's more duplication in having 3 missile launcher tripods in a unit than having three individually posed multi-part figures carrying missile launchers stood with three other individually posed figures.

The crew-served weapons are ugly and expensive. I wouldn't consider them an adequate substitute for the ones we were promised for the command kits.

 AlexHolker wrote:
The crew-served weapons are ugly and expensive. I wouldn't consider them an adequate substitute for the ones we were promised for the command kits.

Indeed, and what about people who were planning to order the command sets but not the heavy weapon sets? Now they would just get a few extra random bitz in place of useful gaming models?

Meh, it's been said already but bears repeating; this is the kind of fluff update that should have been coming out every couple of weeks since the end of the KS. Still, it's better than the big fat nothin' we've been getting so far.

It's still not a lot, but it has a big helping of super-secret heaped on top to make it look all the more impressive.

 Jimsolo wrote:

And, if I'm being honest, this represents more informative, honest, and forthright communication than I get from Games Workshop, so there's that. Although that feels a little like someone saying "my wife is nicer to me than that guy who mugged me in an alley once, so she can't be all bad..."

To be fair, GW doesn't take your $$ before you know exactly what you're ordering, nor do they need that upfront money to create the new product.....

Mathieu Raymond just now
Personnellement, et je sais que je parle au nom d'au moins un petit groupe, je préférerais garder les armes telles le lance-missile, les mitrailleuses, dans les boites d'infanterie, plutôt qu'uniquement dans les boîtes d'artillerie.

It says that I think I can speak for a few that we'd prefer heavy weapons to still be part of the infantry boxes, rather than an all artillery product.

Sining wrote:So their workflow is so secretive that it's a trade secret?? What???

That's hilarious. Ego at work here.

Video game and toy industries have been using that workflow for decades. I'm pretty sure GW has been for more than a few years now as well.

cincydooley wrote:They don't seem to have a clue about project management, quite frankly.

Yet another reason to be glad I decided to stay out of this one. Between this and the attitude I would be looking for a refund (which I may not have been able to get, I understand).

Ouze wrote:

I think those are sculpts, not renders. Not the sculpts we really wanted to see, albeit.

Renders are just prettied up versions of the sculpt. Renders include things like multiple lights and shadows, whereas the sculpting environment does not. These are definitely renders.

~Eric

The first of the Toughest Tales of the Galaxy has gone up. You can find it here.

Edit: My bad. Thanks for the pickup, Alex! Fixed now.

Can't access it, I need to login, repost if possible please.

 BrookM wrote:
Can't access it, I need to login, repost if possible please.

This is the correct link.

Well that's five minutes I'll never get back.

Maybe the short story would have been better if he wasn't gargling so much Raging Balls.

I think it was written by one of our own, a fellow Dakka Dakka member. There is a second story, which has also been written by one of our own.

I get a definite KalashnikovMarine vibe off the writing style.

This would have been great fluff as a sidebar in, say, a rulebook. I think you put your finger on it, Cincydooley. Our resentment at RH stops us from seeing it for what it is.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Honestly, if I'd put just a little less money into this KS, I'd probably have considered the buy in worth it to have the chance to see such an unintentionally hilarious trainwreck up-close.

It is definitely more entertaining (as opposed to distressing) for those of us who have not put money in (or put in very little), I think

 Taarnak wrote:

Ouze wrote:I think those are sculpts, not renders. Not the sculpts we really wanted to see, albeit.

Renders are just prettied up versions of the sculpt. Renders include things like multiple lights and shadows, whereas the sculpting environment does not. These are definitely renders.

They were just digital representations, not physical models, right? It would be really good if companies would stop adding bases to digital views and shadows, as if they were real items, as it's quite confusing...

(Of course, if these are physical 3d prints, my apologies, but they look digital to me)

 BrookM wrote:
I think it was written by one of our own, a fellow Dakka Dakka member. There is a second story, which has also been written by one of our own.

Hmm... Well that makes me come off as more of an internet asshat than I intended, but I think that, perhaps, they should vet the work more before they publish it as "official." I mean, there's good pulp, and then there's meh pulp. I'm not expecting Dickens here, but ... I mean.. yeah....

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I get a definite KalashnikovMarine vibe off the writing style.

Should I perhaps be insulted here? Especially given the above implication that the author gargles raging balls? I certainly have voiced my own grievances in this thread even if I am doing my level best to be a reasonable voice and not fall into the "extremely torqued off" or "gargling raging balls" camps. For the record I have written a small piece of TGG fan fiction. It is not that story. If it had been I might have been a little upset because I didn't see an author credit. Fanart thought it may be, I do like when they ask me before they reprint something I put some time into. Just like if someone wants to use a photo of one of my painted minis, or one of my actual photos.

This is the short piece I wrote for TGG: http://kalashnikovmarine.deviantart.com/art/A-Werewolf-s-Birth-383617519

It's about werewolves. Because werewolves are fething awesome.

Wasn't Morathi's Darkest Sin the other author?

 RiTides wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

Ouze wrote:I think those are sculpts, not renders. Not the sculpts we really wanted to see, albeit.

Renders are just prettied up versions of the sculpt. Renders include things like multiple lights and shadows, whereas the sculpting environment does not. These are definitely renders.

They were just digital representations, not physical models, right? It would be really good if companies would stop adding bases to digital views and shadows, as if they were real items, as it's quite confusing...

(Of course, if these are physical 3d prints, my apologies, but they look digital to me)

They were digital representations, yes.

Anytime you hear/see someone refer to a "render" they are talking about a processed image of a 3d model/sculpt that allows the creator to make beauty shots (for lack of a better way to put it) of their 3d model/sculpt. The software adds all the lighting, coloring, and texture effects and renders a finished image.

At this juncture it is basically only when you hear about "prints" that a physical object is being discussed.

Hope that helps.

~Eric

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I get a definite KalashnikovMarine vibe off the writing style.

Should I perhaps be insulted here? Especially given the above implication that the author gargles raging balls? I certainly have voiced my own grievances in this thread even if I am doing my level best to be a reasonable voice and not fall into the "extremely torqued off" or "gargling raging balls" camps. For the record I have written a small piece of TGG fan fiction. It is not that story. If it had been I might have been a little upset because I didn't see an author credit. Fanart thought it may be, I do like when they ask me before they reprint something I put some time into. Just like if someone wants to use a photo of one of my painted minis, or one of my actual photos.

This is the short piece I wrote for TGG: http://kalashnikovmarine.deviantart.com/art/A-Werewolf-s-Birth-383617519

It's about werewolves. Because werewolves are fething awesome.

No, I meant the writing style. Of the story. As my ex-wife yould say, stop being facetious. And you're right, werewolves are awesome.

I didn't even realize there was no credit. It is a tad insulting, unless it was part of the writing contract, no?


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Taarnak: at least you didn't call them glamour shots!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
The crew-served weapons are ugly and expensive. I wouldn't consider them an adequate substitute for the ones we were promised for the command kits.

Indeed, and what about people who were planning to order the command sets but not the heavy weapon sets? Now they would just get a few extra random bitz in place of useful gaming models?

Meh, it's been said already but bears repeating; this is the kind of fluff update that should have been coming out every couple of weeks since the end of the KS. Still, it's better than the big fat nothin' we've been getting so far.

Well, get onto the comments for the update and feed it back to them there, guys! I know I did as soon as it hit my mailbox.

Taarnak, I know what a render is, I make them at my job frequently . I think they should say "digital sculpt" or "render" to be clear that it is not physical, if they're adding a base, shadows, etc. As you saw, a poster here thought it was a physical item, and I'm sure they're not alone.

 RiTides wrote:
Taarnak, I know what a render is, I make them at my job frequently . I think they should say "digital sculpt" or "render" to be clear that it is not physical, if they're adding a base, shadows, etc. As you saw, a poster here thought it was a physical item, and I'm sure they're not alone.

Sorry bud, thought I was addressing Ouze again. Guess I should pay better attention to that, heh. Out of curiosity, what do you do?

But you are absolutely correct, they should make a distinction. Many folks who are not familiar with the digital sculpting process probably are unsure what they are looking at.

~Eric

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I get a definite KalashnikovMarine vibe off the writing style.

Should I perhaps be insulted here? Especially given the above implication that the author gargles raging balls? I certainly have voiced my own grievances in this thread even if I am doing my level best to be a reasonable voice and not fall into the "extremely torqued off" or "gargling raging balls" camps. For the record I have written a small piece of TGG fan fiction. It is not that story. If it had been I might have been a little upset because I didn't see an author credit. Fanart thought it may be, I do like when they ask me before they reprint something I put some time into. Just like if someone wants to use a photo of one of my painted minis, or one of my actual photos.

This is the short piece I wrote for TGG: http://kalashnikovmarine.deviantart.com/art/A-Werewolf-s-Birth-383617519

It's about werewolves. Because werewolves are fething awesome.

No, I meant the writing style. Of the story. As my ex-wife yould say, stop being facetious. And you're right, werewolves are awesome.

I didn't even realize there was no credit. It is a tad insulting, unless it was part of the writing contract, no?

Hahah. Busted.

But yes, it is a bit insulting. If it was written in house... yeah go for it, but if one of our own did write it... yeah. Not cool.

No problem Taarnak . I'm a mechanical engineer and work with SolidWorks... sometimes we have to pretty up our stuff, too

They were credited according to their Kickstarter username, because I wasn't sure if they wanted their real name published online. (That's why there's a caveat above it about altering the post to include the user's real name.) I can always go back (and am totally willing to go back) and credit it appropriately to the author's real name. I can NOT go back and remove their real name from the internet, on the off chance that they have an aversion to that sort of thing.

 Jimsolo wrote:
They were credited according to their Kickstarter username, because I wasn't sure if they wanted their real name published online. (That's why there's a caveat above it about altering the post to include the user's real name.) I can always go back (and am totally willing to go back) and credit it appropriately to the author's real name. I can NOT go back and remove their real name from the internet, on the off chance that they have an aversion to that sort of thing.

Apologies, I'm a little confused; GeeklyDevotionals is your (Jimsolo's) site, I presume? So the initiative is just a fan effort to collect the fiction that posters had put up, right? By that I mean that this is in no way connected on an official level to RH.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
They were credited according to their Kickstarter username, because I wasn't sure if they wanted their real name published online. (That's why there's a caveat above it about altering the post to include the user's real name.) I can always go back (and am totally willing to go back) and credit it appropriately to the author's real name. I can NOT go back and remove their real name from the internet, on the off chance that they have an aversion to that sort of thing.

Apologies, I'm a little confused; GeeklyDevotionals is your (Jimsolo's) site, I presume? So the initiative is just a fan effort to collect the fiction that posters had put up, right? By that I mean that this is in no way connected on an official level to RH.

I'm part of the Geekly Devotionals crew, yes. And it is indeed an effort to bring together all the fiction published for the Kickstarter. (I hate the term fanfiction. I feel like I need a shower after I even say it. ) And no, Raging Heroes has not officially sanctioned this in any way.

Aye, my actual Kickstarter name is Den aka MDS (Morathi's Darkest Sin) That would be the preferred way I'd like myself listed.

Also tbh I didn't expect anyone to like it, it was written in twenty odd minutes at work totally spur of the moment, but I got quite a few positive remarks and messages. Then Raging Heroes themselves put in an update even though it was in no way official, so I wrote a couple more.

Obviously no one should be expecting publishable level work there, it was just me having some fun.