Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Wait... Duke Nukem Forever actually happened? *shocked*

 Snapdragon wrote:

 -iPaint- wrote:
So, 54,000 words later, and really most of it has gone by the wayside. What really matters to me out of all of these updates is this: (snip)

All of this.

I started reading, saw the kind of non-information/non-apology/non-details the doc was filled with, started skimming, then just looked at the pictures. Pictures look pretty cool. Honestly, an email that said: "Still working on things, sorry for the delays, here's a few shots of the repros we're getting back!"

I'd be happy.

 paulson games wrote:
A solid printer like what I get my stuff done on will set you back 50-60k. There's a pretty steep learning curve with the software that could keep it from being used immediately as it'd take some time to get situated with it. With the type of money this campaigned raised I'm sure they'd easily be able to afford a printer to do all their mastering in house.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
A solid printer like what I get my stuff done on will set you back 50-60k. There's a pretty steep learning curve with the software that could keep it from being used immediately as it'd take some time to get situated with it. With the type of money this campaigned raised I'm sure they'd easily be able to afford a printer to do all their mastering in house.

Standard fare for machinery. My question was more for the prints themselves. How much would a single monopose mini of the 28mm persuasion go for, ballparkly-speaking?

 Wehrkind wrote:

Spoiler:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
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 Wehrkind wrote:
My guess is that they already spent any possible profit from this KS, which is part of why it is taking so long. It takes a good bit of discipline to finish a job up in a timely manner when you get paid up front, and from the looks of thing that isn't something they are really into.
Well, work discipline at least.
At this point, the carrot has been eaten, and the stick is lodged firmly somewhere out of reach, so the actual grind of getting things done is going to be slow going. The earlier post about the next KS they do being mainly to pay staff while they finishing getting this out the door probably isn't too far off the mark either.

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This has the ring of truth about it...

Without really wanting to defend them, it has the ring of "what most of us assume" in it, it may be true, it may not be.

Search your feelings; you know it to be true!

You are right, we don't really know of course. I think there are pretty likely options though, and most of us who have worked in businesses etc. have been taught by experience that "Lots of words about what I wanted to do, and very little about what I did" is cant for "I have been futzing around a good bit instead of getting cracking on getting the important things done."
For instance, as others have pointed out, if you are super busy and getting lots done and have to write an update, you snap a bunch of pictures with your phone and write "Hey, not much time, but here's what I have been doing!" You don't write 10,000 words on what you wanted to do but couldn't get to because of random things. That is usually what people do when they have been procrastinating and don't want to admit it. (I know from personal experience on both sides of that coin! )

This is certainly not a problem unique to TGG; I think it is endemic with KickStarters in general when people don't face just raising money but actually getting the money to go to things they need. In other words, if the models were done and just needed sent to be cast it won't be an issue, but when you are going through the whole process and basically getting paid long in advance of the work, things are going to slow down.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
A solid printer like what I get my stuff done on will set you back 50-60k. There's a pretty steep learning curve with the software that could keep it from being used immediately as it'd take some time to get situated with it. With the type of money this campaigned raised I'm sure they'd easily be able to afford a printer to do all their mastering in house.

Standard fare for machinery. My question was more for the prints themselves. How much would a single monopose mini of the 28mm persuasion go for, ballparkly-speaking?

I'd say around $350~400

@Erastus: With due respect, your points simply make no sense and the challenge to my reading of events seems to border on the nonsensical.
Simply put, RH not only hired a person for the EXPLICIT purpose of communications;
"As you know, we also have a new member in the team who works exclusively on communications, but he's still getting his feet wet as there is so much information to absorb and so much stuff to set up. On top of that, so early in the game, we all prefer to make sure that his communications are Ok'd by the team, and as mentioned before, the team is pretty busy. But this is already evolving. He will soon be posting tidbits and snapshots of what's happening here every day."
From https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy/comments… in NOVEMBER.
Now, the question is asked, "what happened?" And that answer is "In the end, it's my fault if he's not sharing more new news with you all. I keep piling up more stuff for him to do..." From update #85.
It is not conjecture or assumption that RH recognized a problem: not only did they hire someone to remedy their communications problem, they made specific statements about the steps that would be forthcoming. Now, despite not fixing what was stated to be fixed, despite people continuing to ask "what's going on with communications?", Oops.
As I said before, the question is not and has not been "can they sculpt?" The question is "Can they run a company and follow through on their promises?"
On the specific issue of communications and management, there is an answer. That answer is "NO".

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So we can assume a worse case scenario of 400 per print, at 55 minis. That's 10 jailbirds, 5 lulus, 10 KST, 10 KST heavies, 10 IE and 10 IE Heavies.

22000 down the drain if the whole crop was scrapped, plus the production run that was done based on those masters.

Oï. I need a glass of wine.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So we can assume a worse case scenario of 400 per print, at 55 minis. That's 10 jailbirds, 5 lulus, 10 KST, 10 KST heavies, 10 IE and 10 IE Heavies.

22000 down the drain if the whole crop was scrapped, plus the production run that was done based on those masters.

Oï. I need a glass of wine.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or as painting projects, objective markers, victims or even (gasp) child soldiers

besides getting RH to do something different could put the project back another 50 millionty years

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'd never thought of it that way, but the only "troops box" they are releasing this wave... which ought to be designed to bring in more cashflow (if you subscribe to any sane version of business management), is the child soldier box. So the first mass produced product on a store shelf, alone save for a few sexualized women, will be soldier children.

Oh I can hear the fundie response in the US from across the border.

 monkeytroll wrote:
Nice of you to leave something for your great-grand-kids to look forward to....the sculpts should have been re-worked to just beyond exquisite by wave 9......