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Man....reading this thread I totally understand why GW utterly ignores the sentiments of the internet.....nothing will ever make many of you happy and all you want is something to complain about.

Everyone on the internet complains, but Games Workshop is the only company in the gaming business that actually 'ignores the sentiments of the internet' publicly. They are missing on so many opportunities to make money every year it's unreal, and that's on bad management and general unprofessionalism.

Maybe they are trying to compensate for declining model sales? Mark up on printed material (well, aside from the shipping side) has to be better than even plasticrack.

 Therion wrote:
Games Workshop is the only company in the gaming business that actually 'ignores the sentiments of the internet' publicly. They are missing on so many opportunities to make money every year it's unreal, and that's on bad management and general unprofessionalism.

Disagree. There is no way GW would benefit from visibly interacting with internet-vocal wargamers.

 noghri wrote:
Which ones are the other craftworlds do you think deserve a supplemental codex? I think it's pretty obvious but:
Alaitoc: Rangers focused. Pathfinders same price as rangers?
Ulthwé: Psychic powers. Choosing powers instead of rolling?
Saim-Hann: Fast movement. +1 Jink Save?
Biel-Tan: Elite army. Assault after running?

I guess it's pretty arguable, but Biel-Tan strikes me as the most generic Craftworld. OTOH, seems like GW thinks Saim-Hann are the appropriate poster elves.

People hated having lots of little sub-'Dexes linked to main 'Dexes. Now they're going to do them for the same cost as the main books and in hard-cover?

Christ...

I don't care if they want to put together a fluff book with different paint scheme and all that jazz. Rules need to be in the main rulebook period.

How much you want to bet the rules in the Iyanden book will be slightly better than the main rulebook. I don't want to encourage them to produce junk rulebooks that require you to buy another full price book to be competitive.

I might get the Biel-Tan one or the Ulthwe one depending on what is in them. You never know, some of the rules may just fit into my fluff.

 noghri wrote:
Which ones are the other craftworlds do you think deserve a supplemental codex? I think it's pretty obvious but:
Alaitoc: Rangers focused. Pathfinders same price as rangers?
Ulthwé: Psychic powers. Choosing powers instead of rolling?
Saim-Hann: Fast movement. +1 Jink Save?
Biel-Tan: Elite army. Assault after running?

Alaitoc: Outcast list with DE allies, Corsairs, Pathfinders and disruption tables?
Ulthwé: Choosing powers, more psychic powers, different psychic power tables, webway gates, black guardians?
Saim-Hann: I don't really know... Our jetbikes are awesome as they are... close combat oriented jetbikes? proper squad leaders for them and Nuadhu Fireheart?
Biel-Tan: Autarchs letting some aspects become troops? An Autarch who can actually do something?

...there's lot's of possibilities, and with the price we have to pay I sure hope they make some good decisions if they do release them

I'm going Yme-Loc and just skipping the whole super barbie. I'll run the gambit with Revenants/Phantoms or figure out how to do the Gales - not thinking I can do the bright stallions though.

No barbies/horses. We're talking about manly miniatures, not cowgirl barbie/my little pony.

People complain that it's unfair that Space Marines get variants when no one else does. Games Workshop releases Codex: Iyanden. People complain that it's a money-grab stunt. WHAT THE HELL??

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
People complain that it's unfair that Space Marines get variants when no one else does. Games Workshop releases Codex: Iyanden. People complain that it's a money-grab stunt. WHAT THE HELL??

I don't need to own Codex:Space Marines to make use of the rules crunch in the Space Wolves and Blood Angel codexes. Apples and Oranges.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
People complain that it's unfair that Space Marines get variants when no one else does. Games Workshop releases Codex: Iyanden. People complain that it's a money-grab stunt. WHAT THE HELL??

Last time I checked, you only needed one Marine book to play any of the alternatives.

Any word on if this is direct exclusive or will be available from all retailers?

The Fire Dragons in the video looked a bit off. Are they the same model, or are they an older one?

 wowsmash wrote:
How much you want to bet the rules in the Iyanden book will be slightly better than the main rulebook. I don't want to encourage them to produce junk rulebooks that require you to buy another full price book to be competitive.

I question the depth of the "rules" in this book. I can see a few special rules, the permission to take Wraithknights as HQ, and a new Warlord Chart. Add some scenarios and other bits and bobs and that's it. The rest of painting articles and GW Brand "everything is equally valid and useful please buy all our models" tactics articles.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Actually it just occurred to me, this is quite possibly the answer to GW's recent rapid fire release schedule. I was wondering if they were planning on maintaining this release rate and what they'd do when they started to run out of armies to update. Perhaps they intend to start releasing supplements for all armies so they can maintain the fast release rate without running out of things to release.

This is my thinking as well. They run out of regular 6th edition codexes to release sometime next year at the rate they are going. These subcodexes will fill the needs for new releases (along with a few new models) as well a fill gaps in the fluff. For the Eldar, a single codex expands to main codex, five craftworld supplements and perhaps a corsairs supplement. CSM supplements add four more new books and Marines add god knows how many supplements. Perhaps each Tyranid hive fleet will get its own book.

This is a huge opportunity for GW to expand the fluff and sell a bunch of expensive books at the same time. Given that 6th edition is intended to last quite a bit longer than previous 40K editions (8 years?) this is a way keep things interesting over the longer life cycle of the game.

Tim

I for one am glad to see the supplements come back. That was one thing I loved about 3rd edition. All the codex choices and army choices. I am more of a fluff player so this is very exciting to see.

I am a little concerned with the price of the supplement. But I think there are good things to come.

 shamikebab wrote:
Any word on if this is direct exclusive or will be available from all retailers?

I placed a pre-order for it at my FLGS. He said it was on his order list with the other new Eldar items but to be delivered later this month, mid month but I don't remember the exact date.

Codex - Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, blah blah blah are all on their way i'd imagine. GW really bite the big one... I was going to dsay sometimes but jees, all the time! Black library and Forgeworld keep me in this game right now!

So are Frontlines SM rumors had this in them (supplements for different chapters) is that holding more water now.

 DiRTWaL wrote:
So are Frontlines SM rumors had this in them (supplements for different chapters) is that holding more water now.

I'm pretty sure those rumors came out after the scans showing the Iyanden supplement in WD. So, no, I wouldn't say that anything has changed yet.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
How much you want to bet the rules in the Iyanden book will be slightly better than the main rulebook. I don't want to encourage them to produce junk rulebooks that require you to buy another full price book to be competitive.

I question the depth of the "rules" in this book. I can see a few special rules, the permission to take Wraithknights as HQ, and a new Warlord Chart. Add some scenarios and other bits and bobs and that's it. The rest of painting articles and GW Brand "everything is equally valid and useful please buy all our models" tactics articles.

You can't take a WK as an hq choice it says that specifically you can just make it your warlord even though its not an hq choice.

 Vryce wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 deathholydeath wrote:
I hope they release more books like this. Maybe I'll finally get my CSM Legions book.

Codex: Legions
Author: Matt Ward

A man can dream

As a die hard CSM player, this would make me stupendously sad.

~Vryce

Why do you hate fun?
-vladsimpaler

haroon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
How much you want to bet the rules in the Iyanden book will be slightly better than the main rulebook. I don't want to encourage them to produce junk rulebooks that require you to buy another full price book to be competitive.

I question the depth of the "rules" in this book. I can see a few special rules, the permission to take Wraithknights as HQ, and a new Warlord Chart. Add some scenarios and other bits and bobs and that's it. The rest of painting articles and GW Brand "everything is equally valid and useful please buy all our models" tactics articles.

You can't take a WK as an hq choice it says that specifically you can just make it your warlord even though its not an hq choice.

Warlord Trait: Gunstar - Allows Wraithknight to fire 4 weapons per round, makes model Dizzy.

Welp, using IA11, you can us a Wraithseer as your second HQ choice.

I can't see how this is a good thing by any stretch of the imagination, and I've been jonesing on Iyanden ever since I bought the Iyanden boxed army years ago (the one with,what, 20 metal wraithguard in it and three metal wraithlords?).

GW states, repeatedly, that they are a miniatures company first and foremost. They then start releasing very slim $50 rulebooks.

GW states, repeatedly, that they moved away from the 'codex and supplemental codex' model with Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, etc. They then deliberately release a supplemental codex (and act like it is a new development).

They release rules for models in a codex (Orks) and a White Dwarf (Ork planes) and update them on the internet, then pull the internet updates and direct you to a third publication (Death from the Skies).

People worry now about older Codexes being updated, but GW now decides to release supplemental codexes? Anyone want to guess how long it will take to update Codex Eldar and supplemental codexes for multiple craftworlds?

This really sends the message that either GW doesn't know what the hell it is doing, or that it's misleading its fans, either deliberately or through incompetence. Not the type of thing to inspire confidence or loyalty. If GW tells me that supplemental codexes are a bad idea, and then tells me that supplemental codexes are an exciting new opportunity, GW has to be wrong somewhere.

GW is worried about piracy and moves to a very limited iPad platform for digital sales, but instead of making codexes an attractive purchase, either in print, or on line (or heck, even both), it makes the Codexes more expensive, and removes rules from them to sell in supplemental codexes. People aren't buying enough $25 books? Make the books $50 and require more of them! I don't see how this will lead to anything but more piracy.

People like me, who would like to collect all the codexes for artwork, background material, and rules interest, get intimidated by the prices. I expect a lot of would-be collectors (and people with a moderate level of interest) are more intimidated by the high prices to maintain a complete collection. I suspect that a lot of people who 'fall off' the collecting bandwagon after a release or two don't get back on.

Now, I think there's lots of ways that GW could have done this correctly.

You could have had a substantial Eldar Codex, which unlocked various options for each Craftworld through Force Organization selections (or even through Force Org restrictions--'You cannot take these Iyanden options if at least x number of units are not Wraith units"). People wouldn't feel ripped off, and they would have a full range of options with one book. Updates would be done on one book.

You could have had a good basic Eldar Codex (still think $50 for this is overpriced compared to, say, a Pathfinder RPG full color $50 book with 3-4x the number of pages), and released an inexpensive paperback expansion for Craftworlds (like $10). You would still have the problem of an extremely extended update cycle, but at least, you wouldn't be paying through the nose for it. It also wouldn't be prohibitively expensive to have multiple sub-codexes for flexibility.

(Compare this to the situation with an Eldar collector with a substantial army. Suppose he would like the flexibility of playing his force as one of several different craftworlds. Buying a codex and maybe 5+ supplemental codexes at $50 a pop isn't as attractive. Now think of the poor dude who might want to play his CSM as any one of 8 Legions).

$50 Codexes are enough of a 'bar to entry' for the game. You need the codex to play, so why make the 'entry fee' so high in the first place. Sell them an inexpensive codex so that they can spend all their money on your models. Throwing a secondary obstacle to starting an army in the way isn't only bad for customers, it's bad for GW. They make money selling models (according to them) so why make it harder for people to start an army? Wouldn't a cheap, easy way to get extra options for collecting an army be in their interest?

 jah-joshua wrote:
@spiralingcadaver: the price has been up since Friday on iBooks...
it's $40, not $50...

i guess Dan meant the first supplemental Codex for 6th edition, since we have had plenty of supplements in the past, as you pointed out...
one was even FREE in WD, Codex: Assassins...

cheers
jah

My bad, I couldn't find a price, so believed Dakka's info.

And yea, I forgot about that fun little codex.

Well this makes me more excited about a mechanicum supplement codex.

Supplement to what? Currently 40K has the Enginseer, Servitors and... what else? Hardly something you can base a supplement on.

 Manchu wrote:
Welp, using IA11, you can us a Wraithseer as your second HQ choice.

Manchu I hope so I have that model, but it will depend on the wording of the supplement you may not be able to take things from codex eldar freely it may have a list of things you are allowed to take.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Supplement to what? Currently 40K has the Enginseer, Servitors and... what else? Hardly something you can base a supplement on.

I would imagine that most AdMech units could be variations on units found in C:IG, with new more unique units added into the mix.