"Codex: Iyanden" released as book and electronic version

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**Xeriapt**

So the rules included are essentially the stuff half glimpsed in the video?

Was kinda hoping for at least a special character or something.

**Eldercaveman**

I write this as a plee to all Eldar players, please buy this book. Buy it so GW are convinced it is worth releasing more, then, and only then may we have Genestealer Cults....

**dude163**

loan me 50$ and Ill get it for sure

**Crimson**

On the other hand I'm glad that they didn't make any restrictions apart the spiritseer needing to swap that one power, as it gives greater flexibility in army creation; on the other hand it makes this just a blatant powerup. There is no reason ever to not use these additional rules. Even if you would not have a single wraith in your army you'd want to use these rules to give you access to the extra wargear and the alternative warlord table.

**Xeriapt**

Voice of twilight certainly seems like a no brainer to include for a wraith army.

**Iracundus**

Any details on the fluff background? Is there Ward stuff to rage or facepalm about or did someone rein him in?

**Powerguy**

Crimson wrote:
On the other hand I'm glad that they didn't make any restrictions apart the spiritseer needing to swap that one power, as it gives greater flexibility in army creation; on the other hand it makes this just a blatant powerup. There is no reason ever to not use these additional rules. Even if you would not have a single wraith in your army you'd want to use these rules to give you access to the extra wargear and the alternative warlord table.

It its true that the only downside to these rules is the loss of Conceal then yeah, I agree, its basically the Space Marine trait system all over again. Even as an Eldar player this seems a bit too much, you get a whole heap of buffs (Soulshrive on a Laughing God Jetarch? yes please) for what was looking like a pretty solid build (i.e Wraith based) to start with and functionally no downsides. I'm really hoping there are some limitations on units in there somewhere with an alternative army list (less Aspects, Guardians etc), but even if there are this looks like a big boost to Wraith armies.

**airmang**

Characters can't purchase items from both lists. It's one or the other.

**Absolutionis**

Xeriapt wrote:
So the rules included are essentially the stuff half glimpsed in the video?

Was kinda hoping for at least a special character or something.

The video showed "Iyanna Arienal, Angel of Iyanden". I would have thought she was a/the Iyanden special character with rules.

I guess, alternatively, you could give a Spiritseer the "Spear of Teuthlas" item and treat them as Iyanna. If they go through with this "Special Character = Super Item" motif for the rest of the codecies, it'll be much more interesting than having some bloke named "Eldrad" or "Vulkan" in every battle ever. Replace special characters with super-items.

**airmang**

She is included in the "historical" missions and one of the new items is her spear. So she kinda has special rules

**Xeriapt**

The spear at least sounds cool.

**lord_blackfang**

Eldercaveman wrote:
I write this as a plee to all Eldar players, please buy this book. Buy it so GW are convinced it is worth releasing more, then, and only then may we have Genestealer Cults....

So how do you make a Genestealer Cult supplement? Would it be a warlord trait table and 1 new psychic power for Codex: IG or a warlord table and 1 new psychic power for Codex: Tyranids?

**Eldercaveman**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Eldercaveman wrote:
I write this as a plee to all Eldar players, please buy this book. Buy it so GW are convinced it is worth releasing more, then, and only then may we have Genestealer Cults....

So how do you make a Genestealer Cult supplement? Would it be a warlord trait table and 1 new psychic power for Codex: IG or a warlord table and 1 new psychic power for Codex: Tyranids?

I'd have it as a supplement to a nid codex, but that is another topic for another day.

**hands_miranda**

So realistically, there's nothing keeping people from say making a Biel-Tan style army and just using the rules from this book? You could pretty easily start adding Spiritseers to Aspect units then-- I know none of them would like furious charge or +1 armour save. The sad part is for a jetbike-based army, I almost have to consider using this list because of the Shining Spear item. But I'm not paying that much money for a book to use one entry, so I'll go without or borrow a buddy's book enough to get the statline for it.

I don't know how to think about the idea of not changing anything outside of character/HQ stuff (lumping Wraith warlord in here) On the one hand, you could already get Wraith-themed units into every slot except Troops/Elites (depending on if you took a Spiritseer or not) so I guess there's no much possible to do with org manipulation beside push wraithlords into elite, which only makes them worse in that they will never score. On the other hand, this list is still so wide open that someone could figure out some sort of synergy with another style of list (heavy jetbike or aspects, for instance) and then start using it with that while ignoring wraith units entirely. The supplement seems to be an attempt at doing things the warmachine way (i.e. changes to the HQ pushes down through to the troops) but it doesn't grasp why that works in that game-- without specific buffs to certain types of units (or hell, just extra points when you take those unit types solely) the entire attempt to channel people towards more wraith units (instead of Codex: Eldar with better items and traits) is going to fall on deaf ears.

**Puscifer**

First off... Yes you can take a BielTanesque force and use the stuff in the Iyanden book.

As for Aspects not wanting +1 save or furious charge, Reapers, Dragons and Scorpions gain greatly from +1 save. Scorpions like both.

Also... The traits and wargear are a lot better in the Iyanden book.

**Sarigar**

Regarding the up to 5 Shadowseers as a single HQ choice. Do they still have the IC rule?

**hands_miranda**

Puscifer wrote:
First off... Yes you can take a BielTanesque force and use the stuff in the Iyanden book.

As for Aspects not wanting +1 save or furious charge, Reapers, Dragons and Scorpions gain greatly from +1 save. Scorpions like both.

Also... The traits and wargear are a lot better in the Iyanden book.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic-- damn near every aspect would do well with warlock style buffs, even if they all gain no benefit from the battle focus half of the primaris power. The fact that you can turn the Iyanden book into an Aspect army (or that it's just Eldar++) is incredibly annoying and a bit stupid.

**Kroothawk**

Did they dare to make a Codex Iyanden without a Wraithseer?

**Oaka**

4 units of Wraiths in Waveserpents led by Spiritseers and a Wraithknight Warlord sounds like a pretty solid list.

**Therion**

Oaka wrote:
4 units of Wraiths in Waveserpents led by Spiritseers and a Wraithknight Warlord sounds like a pretty solid list.

High toughness, good saves, AP2 flamers and S10 weaponry makes it seem solid. Suffers from an extremely low model count, doesn't do close combat to any meaningful degree, and will get demolished by the top lists with flyers ten times out of ten.

**DarkStarSabre**

...Can't say I'm impressed. Charging the same price for what they have stated is a supplement (i.e. cannot be used on its own) is just not cricket.

Sure, people are happy they are doing this.

Until they realise that in order to play their beloved Iyanden army they're forking out £60 minimum to everyone else's £30 for a single codex.

**yukihyou**

Manchu wrote:
LOL the big question is, will there be a BT "supplement" in the fall/early winter?

No

**Iracundus**

Hmm, information on the Wraithforge Stone is out: Each friendly movement phase, restore a Wound to a single Wraithlord or Wraithknight within 6" on a roll of 3+.

Park a Wraithknight with somebody to heal it, and maybe have a Warlock handy with the Renewal power to heal and you could potentially heal 2 Wounds/turn. Arm the Wraithknight with suncannon and scattershield for additional survivability.

If said Wraithknight is also Warlord, with the Iyanden traits, then it could potentially get D3 re-rolls, or re-roll saves until 1st failed, for yet more survivability.

**Xeriapt**

Alot of pts to sink into a model that doesnt have a huge damage output.

**Iracundus**

The other interesting bit is that with the Celestial Lance fluff entry, we have information that allows creation of rules for Drastanta, the now confirmed canonical Shining Spears Phoenix Lord based on what is known about the Lance and the Shining Spear Exarch powers.

**Kroothawk**

From this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/532137.page

Puscifer wrote:
Army Of Iyanden Rules:

Voice of Twilight - replaces Conceal as the Primaris
Blessing. Warp Charge 2.
Gives ALL Wraith BATTLE FOCUS AND FURIOUS CHARGE in a 12" bubble.

Warlord Traits:

1) Roll a D3 - Warlord gets this many rerolls for To Hit, To Wound, Armour Pen and Saves.
2) All friendly units FNP 6+ within 12".
3) Warlord and unit - Hatred.
4) Spirit Mark up to two enemy units per turn.
5) +1 to Deny The Witch.
6) Warlord ReRolls all failed armour saves. If he loses a wound, he loses this trait.

Gifts of Asuryan

Celestial Lance
It's a lance like the Shining Spears get with AP2 and Str 8 when shooting. Has Spirit Shatter: if you kill a Character or MC put a large blast where it died. Str is equal to the dead things toughness. AP -

Soulshrive
AP 2 Master Crafted Melee weapon with STR 3* and Spiritstealer - add one to the strength of the weapon for each unsaved wound made.

Wraithforge Stone
During the Movement Phase, nominate a single Wraithlord or Wraithknight and roll a D6. 1 or 2, nothing happens. 3+ it regains a wound suffered earlier in the battle.

Guardian Helm of Xellethon
Auto Pass Look Out Sir when in WG or WB units. WG and WB in this unit can make and accept challenges.

Spear of Teuthlas - Psyker Only.
Singing Spear, Str 9 at range. Has Rending, Armourbane and Fleshbane.

Heroes of Iyanden.
A Wraithlord or Wraithknight may be the Warlord.

Shadow Council.
5 Spiritseers for one HQ.

That's all we get folks.

Any questions, please ask.

**Quark**

If you're not always running book missions, there's Cities of Death and Planetstrike stratagems, 5 Echoes of War missions (specific army choices), and 3 Altar of War missions (roll off like book missions, Eldar vs anyone).

**Kroothawk**

Here another summary:

Frgt/10 over at Warseer wrote:Just picked it up on my ipad; here are the main bits:

No rules for Iyanna. But...(see below)
Edit: ok the above isn't strictly true; there are two scenarios you can use her in. She's just a free upgrade to a spiritseer and gives you ML3. Can't use her in regular games.

Voice of Twilight: WC2
Blessing. Gives all friendly wraithguard, wraithblade, wraithlord and wraithknight models within 12" Battle Focus and Furious Charge.

Pretty nasty imo, but doesn't entirely make up for lack of conceal/reveal.

Warlord traits:
1 D3 re-rolls per game for the walord
2 Warlord and all units within 12" have FnP (6+)
3 Warlord and his unit have hatred
4 Warlord has the spirit mark rule. if he already has it he can mark 2 units per turn.
5 Warlord and his unit has +1 to deny the witch rolls
6 Warlord may re-roll failed saves. loses the ability once he suffers and unsaved wound

Celestial Lance
6" S8 AP2 Assault 1, Lance, Spirit Shatter (If it kills a character or MC, place the large blast marker over the slain model and all units (friend and foe) suffer a hit at the slain units toughness with AP -)
S+3 AP2 Melee, Impact, Lance, Spirit Shatter

Soulshrive
S3 AP2 Melee, Mastercrafted, Spiritstealer (+1S to every unsaved wound caused earlier in the game)

Wraithforge Stone
During each of your movement phases, nominate a single wraithknight/wraithlord within 6". On a 3+ they gain a lost wound.

Guardian Helm
Always passes LoS rolls in units of wraithguard/wraithblades and wraithguard/wraithblade models can accept challenges if in the same unit.

Spear of Teuthlas (psyker only) -------Iyannas weapon!!!!
18" S9 AP - Assault 1, Fleshbane, Rending
SUser Ap - Melee, Armourbane, Fleshbane, Rending

Thanks you, frgt/10 for the rules! But what about the fluff and the content? Is it interresting? Would you say it's a good add on?

Yeah it's definitely worth it. I haven't read trough it all but there is a ton of background and it gives Iyanna a much bigger role in the grand scheme of the craft world.
Plus you get all the extra missions/etc
(...)
You can have a wraithlord or wraithknight as your warlord. It doesn't become an HQ choice. Big difference

**Puscifer**

Kroothawk wrote:
Did they dare to make a Codex Iyanden without a Wraithseer?

Yeah, this disappointed me too.

Still gonna take one in some games.

**MajorStoffer**

Puscifer wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Did they dare to make a Codex Iyanden without a Wraithseer?

Yeah, this disappointed me too.

Still gonna take one in some games.

Remember, GW can't admit Forgeworld exists; it might take business away from them.

Oh, wait.