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 Breotan wrote:
Let's face it, GW's limited edition stuff just doesn't seem like a very good investment when you consider selling later on the secondary market. It seems to me (anecdotally) that the steam is running out on this "limited edition" scheme of theirs.

I don't think that most people buying limited editions are doing so for resale value... GW's limited stuff seems to do well when it is good. Just slapping a dust jacket on a book for twice the price? Shouldn't really have surprised anyone that it didn't sell quite as well.

I play Iyanden and I see no real value to this supplement. It's essentially 2-3 pages of rules and army background that I already knew about. Those 2-3 pages could have easily been added to the core Eldar codex with little problems. They also missed a huge opportunity to make Iyanna a special character and didn't...or to somehow move Wraithlords into a different FoC slot since the Heavy Support slot is full anyways. All in all, for the price of another codex, it's a huge let down for me.

There are at least three missed opportunities:

(1) No Angel of Iyanden

(2) No non-heavy WL options

(3) No Wraithseer

OTOH, it is an entire book about my favorite craftworld. So, at least until I can actually read it and determine the quality, I'm still excited.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I play Iyanden and I see no real value to this supplement. It's essentially 2-3 pages of rules and army background that I already knew about. Those 2-3 pages could have easily been added to the core Eldar codex with little problems. They also missed a huge opportunity to make Iyanna a special character and didn't...or to somehow move Wraithlords into a different FoC slot since the Heavy Support slot is full anyways. All in all, for the price of another codex, it's a huge let down for me.

Yeah, it's overpriced for sure, and of course they could have included the rules.

However, there is quite literally, no downside to using it as a supplement for an Iyanden army. So, there is definitely value in a competitive sense.

 Manchu wrote:
Standard edition Iyanden print listed as "no longer available."
I guess they sold out on the first run already?

Standard Edition still available in Europe. Limited Editions of Iyanden and Eldar Codex sold out finally (people love those dust jackets!). Limited Edition Hiobbit Starter still available while stock lasts

Edit. HIOBbit?? Must be a Freudian slip

Sounds like I only need 2 pages to play Iyanden. I could just copy them out by hand while in the store and tuck it into my codex (so avoiding the illegal pdf download). Will that be ok for tournament play?

I mean - 2 pages of new rules ... how much of a waste of time is that?!

It's going to depend on the tournament

(you're meant to provide rules to reasure you aren't making stuff up and so reduce the number of rules disputes)

Anything that isn't an official GW book or thingy on an iPad introduces the possibility that an unsporting player has modified/changed the rules, or just plain made something up

My guess is that handwritten stuff will attract complaints from both those who don't agree with illegal pdfs (whether for IP reasons, because they are jerks or because it helps them win). It would then be down to the TO to rule on it

Don't forget the new Codex Supplement Series of books Iyanden: A Codex Eldar Supplement was only the first. There are still the Chaos big 4 that were rumored to come out instead of a unified Chaos Space Marine Codex.

So far this is the predicted release order of the Chaos Space Marine supplement books


World Eaters: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (It could be either or for the first one...though with all the Khorny stuff out now and the new Banelord super heavy coming out I would say World Eaters get released first.)

Death Guard: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Emperors Children: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Black Legion: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (1k sons gets bumped b/c of more BL interest with all the FW HH stuff out)

Thousand Sons: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

 REDEATH wrote:
Don't forget the new Codex Supplement Series of books Iyanden: A Codex Eldar Supplement was only the first. There are still the Chaos big 4 that were rumored to come out instead of a unified Chaos Space Marine Codex.

So far this is the predicted release order of the Chaos Space Marine supplement books

Death Guard: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement
World Eaters: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement
Emperors Children: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement
Black Legion: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement
Thousand Sons: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

More like Fleecing Your Players: A debt supplement for your credit card bill

 REDEATH wrote:


So far this is the predicted release order of the Chaos Space Marine supplement books


World Eaters: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (It could be either or for the first one...though with all the Khorny stuff out now and the new Banelord super heavy coming out I would say World Eaters get released first.)

Death Guard: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Emperors Children: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Black Legion: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (1k sons gets bumped b/c of more BL interest with all the FW HH stuff out)

Thousand Sons: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Doubt it. With the exception of Black Legion, none of those exist as a unified fighting force in 40K. Forge World's 30K seems the appropriate place. It would be an enormous contradiction of existing fluff to have them as coherent fighting Legions, rather than as remnants that patch together in motley renegade warbands under whatever Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince vicious enough to hold them together (for a time).

I have very mixed feelings about Codex Iyanden, mainly because of the price.

If it had more rules (special characters, force org changes, etc) then I'd be more likely to buy it and it would seem more worthy of a separate release. However, then I'd also be kinda pissed because it's almost like GW forced us to buy 2 codexes to play one army.

As it stands, with very few rules... I feel like it's not worth the money and they could have easily fit it into the main dex.

If it had been cheaper, like $15 to $30 and not hardback, then I don't think I'd have any issue with it.

All my random complaining aside, I hope they do them for Legions... and I think I hope they have more rules in them than Iyanden..

 Zweischneid wrote:

 REDEATH wrote:


So far this is the predicted release order of the Chaos Space Marine supplement books


World Eaters: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (It could be either or for the first one...though with all the Khorny stuff out now and the new Banelord super heavy coming out I would say World Eaters get released first.)

Death Guard: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Emperors Children: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Black Legion: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement (1k sons gets bumped b/c of more BL interest with all the FW HH stuff out)

Thousand Sons: A Codex Chaos Space Marine Supplement

Doubt it. With the exception of Black Legion, none of those exist as a unified fighting force in 40K. Forge World's 30K seems the appropriate place. It would be an enormous contradiction of existing fluff to have them as coherent fighting Legions, rather than as remnants that patch together in motley renegade warbands under whatever Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince vicious enough to hold them together (for a time).

Not really true at all, on the scale of 40k anyway. A few dozen marines from a given legion banded together is hardly a coherent Legion and is well within the fluff. I agree though that GW is highly unlikely to release those books.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:


Not really true at all, on the scale of 40k anyway. A few dozen marines from a given legion banded together is hardly a coherent Legion and is well within the fluff. I agree though that GW is highly unlikely to release those books.

Perhaps. But how would you write such a book. "This is a Codex for a faction that doesn't exist - except as shattered fragments cast into the far corners of the galaxy - yet we give you rules to play the unlikely constellation of a few converging on a single battle"?

The mix-and-match CSM-Codex approach is the fitting one, because it represents the disparage remnants of the old Legions under different Warlord. It carries the main theme (!) down to the scale of a 40K army!

Is it theoretically possible to have a gathering of only World Eaters large enough to make a "40K-sized-force"? Perhaps. Just as it is theoretically possible to have a gathering of only Ultramarine Terminators (1st Company going to war) or only Eldar Banshees led by their Phoenix Lord making a "40K-sized-force"?.

In all cases, these are so rare, un-typical and uncommon, that fan-made house-rules will surely suffice however.

The following sources would disagree:
World Eaters: Siege of Vraks
Death Guard: Siege of Vraks, build up to Eye of Terror
Thousand Sons: Space Wolf BL books, build up to Eye of Terror
Word Bearers: Word Bearer BL books
Night Lords: Night Lords BL books
Iron Warriors: UM/IW BL books

Which just leaves the EC and the AL, and AL don't really operate in that way anyway.

I cant see the GW page at work. Is the Ilyanden codex only on Ibooks like all the other releases?

 Baragash wrote:
The following sources would disagree:
World Eaters: Siege of Vraks

A renegade Storm Lord Space Marine sergeant turned-chaos assembling Berzerkers (from all kinds of flavourful Warbands such as Bleck Brethren, etc...) in the name of Abaddon? Hardly World Eater except for the fact that it sells better under that label.

Indeed, a significant portion of Berzerkers commanded at the Siege of Vraks weren't World Eaters, but actually the Sanctified, which of course are (Khorne-worshipping, anti-old-Word-Bearer-Legion) Word Bearers to begin with

 Baragash wrote:

Thousand Sons: Space Wolf BL books, build up to Eye of Terror

No Thousands Sons anywhere. Quite the opposite, mainly the Thousands Sons' most infamous exile and outcast - Ahriman - and his motley band of renegades (who'd all be shot on sight by Daemon-Magnus)

 Baragash wrote:

Word Bearers: Word Bearer BL books

Haven't read these books. But they seem pretty scattered from most GW stuff. Hurons command ship is a (fully crewed) Word Bearer battle barge (cause, like all Chaos Marines, they threw in with the biggest Alpha around). Renegade Warbands like the Warriors of Agannor. Also see the Siege of Vraks above.

 Baragash wrote:

Night Lords: Night Lords BL books

Which is basically all about Talos coming to the realization that the Night Lords no longer exist, not as a martial force, not in the "spirit" in which Kurze turned from the Emperor, even if it takes him 10.000 years to cut through that self-delusion.

Fragile alliances with Abaddon, the Blood Reaver, etc.. are key themes throughout.

 Baragash wrote:

Iron Warriors: UM/IW BL books

Haven't read them.

Nevertheless, as most of the above, Forge World and Black Library aren't 100% canon to begin with!! They have (hard-fought-for) creative licence to pursue their own take on the 40K-universe.

Canon or not GW wants to make money, and given the success of FW with their marine bonanza its hard to see GW not cashing in.

There were early rumors that GW had made new plastics of Thousand Sons and Noise Marines. It may be they are holding on to these to release them when their supplement comes out. Perhaps not as a Codex; THousand Sons or Codex-Emperors Children but as a Codex: Forces of Tzeentch, Forces of Slaanesh.

This would allow them to also release anything they came up with for CHaos Demons as well.

In a grander scheme of things if they decided on this route it would make the Chaos codex more understandable in its blandness and lack of Legion specific wargear.

 Zweischneid wrote:
In all cases, these are so rare, un-typical and uncommon, that fan-made house-rules will surely suffice however.

I think this is kinda moot, when's the last time a codex prevented you from taking such lists?

Zahndrek's fluff says he never will use units like destroyers, deathmarks, or wraiths but nothing prevents you from doing so. You can take Farsight and Shadowsun in the same list. You can make a GK list with more Purifiers than are supposed to exist in the galaxy.

If Iyanden got their own book, I can't imagine GW wouldn't make some Legion books at some point. They know Chaos sells. I don't think they'll make all of them though. I would love it if they did, but I think that's just hoping for too much.

 morgendonner wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
In all cases, these are so rare, un-typical and uncommon, that fan-made house-rules will surely suffice however.

I think this is kinda moot, when's the last time a codex prevented you from taking such lists?

True. Or they might simply change the fluff to make it fit, given how popular 'zerkers are.

demontalons wrote:
Perhaps not as a Codex; THousand Sons or Codex-Emperors Children but as a Codex: Forces of Tzeentch, Forces of Slaanesh.

This would allow them to also release anything they came up with for CHaos Demons as well.

I'd say this is the most likely scenario here.

Heh. It comes with a full art textless Dust Jacket, standard.

did anyone get the one click bundle email? limited time only 24 hours but when I totalled everything up I was not saving a cent $798AUD in one click...no thanks.

I read the blurb on the website all it said was you save shipping and can be delivered same or next day. Don't you auto get free shipping?

The so called "one click deals" isn't nothing special in my eyes. But guess there are some people that think they are saving something - only thing you might be saving is thoses few minutes in ordering.
I'm kind of shuddering in thinking that these supplements is the way GW are going to be going.

Absolutely the biggest rip off in GWs history!

I literally said WTF out loud when I seen that bundle and its description, there is absoloutely no point doing a special one day 'deal' when there is nothing of a deal at all.

HURRY, for one day only we will save you the time of clicking 'add to cart' multiple times. Jesus almighty.

I'm pretty sure at this point GW think emailing out notices about he latest one click 'deal' is the height of advertisement.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I literally said WTF out loud when I seen that bundle and its description, there is absoloutely no point doing a special one day 'deal' when there is nothing of a deal at all.

HURRY, for one day only we will save you the time of clicking 'add to cart' multiple times. Jesus almighty.

That is totally worth $100, no $200 for me.

I AM A BUSY MAN.

But...yeah. I mean, that kind of impulse buy might work if 1) there was actually a discount or 2) if there were some sort of web exclusive collectors thingy (people love that) or 3) it was at an impulse buy price point ($25-50?).

But how many people are going to drop $672 on plastic soldiers on zero notice for zero discount?

As a longtime GW fan this kind of silliness worries me. You're doing it wrong, etc.

Players who want an instant army (and there are worryingly large numbers of them)

Parents who buy little jimmy (or much more rarely little gemima) that expensive new toy he's been asking for

besides it serves of advertising, you click and look and go ' wow expensive i'd never get that' but in doing so you see the minis and think, maybe just a wraith knight, or box of bikes or whATEVER

Mine arrived yesterday, love the fluff background and although I do lament the lack of the Angel as a Special Character, the spear in the 'artifacts' section that is hers will be enough to represent her, plus the Iyanden psyker power.

The only thing that makes me chuckle is GW needs to get another craftworld book out sharpish, as with zero negatives for using the Iyanden additions to the main codex, Eldar tournament armies 'this yeah will mostly be in yellow'

Yeah,
I do really like the new hard back books. And this one is pretty!
It's got Loads of cool fluff and Loads of cool photos of minis...
Pretty

1page of Iyanden rules
1page of Iyanden wargear

The Idiots guide to playing a ghost warrior army is just filler... 'Wraith guns are short range but good!' - 'Wraith lords are tough'
1page of City of death rules - Filler
1page of planet strike rules - Filler
Lots of missions... Historical Battles & Alter of War - Battle missions

While the battle missions look like fun, It's kind of hard to justify the price tag for 2 pages of actual Iyanden rules...
Sure the fluff is lovely but the actual game content is weak.
Compared to the old codex suppliments, Codex Craftworlds codex eye of terror this is a fail.

A nice book but a missed opportunity.

It just needed some new codex entries. In 5 minutes I can think of loads

Special characters - Iyanna Arienal and Wraith Guard Character?
the Wraithseer (duh!!!)
New WraithGuard options - One WraithGuard can be upgraded to a WraithBlade for free.
Mixed WraithBlade options - any number of WraithBlades may replace both Swords for an Axe and Shield.
Lords moved to Elites (actually moved)
Lords may take D-canons

2/5 stars

Panic...