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Sisters of battle faith should either be modified to be proportional to army size, something like d3 faith points per 500 points, or units should just pay points to get an act of faith which does not have to be rolled to see if it works but does use a faith point. A 2000 point sisters army with 4 or less faith points, then failing to get 2 acts to go off really can't compete with most other armies.

I would get rid of the whole pre-measuring rule. It was fun in the 5th edition to declare shooting at a unite then find out that you are out of range. It is something that was added to turn the game towards shooting instead of melee

 Aeroroot wrote:
Turn my hammerhead rule into one I heard online: draw a straight line from the tank to a table edge. After D6-BS scatter at first target, resolve hit. If it glances or pens a tank, resolve shot against next target on the line at -1 strength. Continue against all models along drawn line until a non-glance/pen is rolled, or it hits a piece of something that can't be shot through. When hitting infantry, it hits all models with their base under a tape measure along the drawn line (width of hammerhead gun). No strength reduction in shot when going through infantry.

That rule was from the 6th edition leak (Heretical/pancake edition), and it applied to all rail weapons. Thankfully it didn't get used, the last thing this game needs is a str 10 infinite range "Kill Everything" gun

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 Aeroroot wrote:
Turn my hammerhead rule into one I heard online: draw a straight line from the tank to a table edge. After D6-BS scatter at first target, resolve hit. If it glances or pens a tank, resolve shot against next target on the line at -1 strength. Continue against all models along drawn line until a non-glance/pen is rolled, or it hits a piece of something that can't be shot through. When hitting infantry, it hits all models with their base under a tape measure along the drawn line (width of hammerhead gun). No strength reduction in shot when going through infantry.

That rule was from the 6th edition leak (Heretical/pancake edition), and it applied to all rail weapons. Thankfully it didn't get used, the last thing this game needs is a str 10 infinite range "Kill Everything" gun

you mean current necron doom scythe? (well its less range but still dang good)

I find it odd that units are limited to throwing 1 grenade per turn in the shooting phase but when they assault a vehicle, the whole unit can take the time to find a good spot to wedge a grenade. Its even more crazy if you think about them doing that to a walker. We house ruled 1 grenade per assault turn also.

I liked old edition you could only grenade an immobile walker. But i think you should be able to throw as many grenades as you want, I think the only reason they didn't do it is because the points cost would be out, and some units would use the grenade as their primary weapon.

JC1 wrote:
...and some units would use the grenade as their primary weapon.

Pretty much this. In 2nd edition, (the lst time you could throw grenades about willy nilly) once the enemy got within 12" you were far better off just flinging 10 frag grenades at them instead. Which slowed things down considerably.

Assign point values to psychic powers and let you pick em. Greatest edition ever.

Yo, rolling for psychic powers and warlord traits is kinda stupid.

Its like, "Dude, our Libarians/Psychics are mentally slowed and cant remember their stuff longer than 5 Minutes"

same goes for Warlords

Another thing is the" Accurate Sense" rule. It should be changed to some other kind of Bonus, at least something that more than a couple of units can use (There is a complete Codex where almost every unit got this waste of a rule)

Assaulting out of transports, IMO should be basically standard practice for most transports. Especially dedicated ones...

If I could assault straight out of a NS.. that would make some units allot more viable.

Lower Pricing on tzeentch units; they would be decent if they lowered the pricing a tad

While I really would like to change things to make assaulty-armies more fun to play and less "hey I'm target practise for all you Tau players", I think the one thing I'd really change would have to be the ridiculous rule that swooping flying creatures drop out of the sky the moment something so much as looks in their general direction.

Yes, I understand that if you get hit by a rocket launcher, flying becomes pretty darn tricky. But why, please tell, would a massive monster drop out of the sky just because 20 imperial guard shot their little pea shooters at it, only to watch it bounce of its chitin? Or, sillier still, why would it fall out of the sky if you aim a markerlight at it?


I seriously can't find any real reason to use flying monsters as anything other than jump monsters until they fix the absurd ruling on crashing. As long as you throw enough things at it, you're bound to roll some 6's with your snap shots and make the flyer fail its grounding test.

Theik wrote:
While I really would like to change things to make assaulty-armies more fun to play and less "hey I'm target practise for all you Tau players", I think the one thing I'd really change would have to be the ridiculous rule that swooping flying creatures drop out of the sky the moment something so much as looks in their general direction.

Yes, I understand that if you get hit by a rocket launcher, flying becomes pretty darn tricky. But why, please tell, would a massive monster drop out of the sky just because 20 imperial guard shot their little pea shooters at it, only to watch it bounce of its chitin? Or, sillier still, why would it fall out of the sky if you aim a markerlight at it?


I seriously can't find any real reason to use flying monsters as anything other than jump monsters until they fix the absurd ruling on crashing. As long as you throw enough things at it, you're bound to roll some 6's with your snap shots and make the flyer fail its grounding test.

I'll give you no grounding, but FMCs claim cover as a vehicle. Eh, who am I kidding? I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Grounding makes sense as a mechanic, it would just make infinitely more sense if you tested per unsaved wound, not per hit.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Grounding makes sense as a mechanic, it would just make infinitely more sense if you tested per unsaved wound, not per hit.

Well flying around trying to dodge bullets and missiles can slow you down or at least make you lose concentration.

Also LASER POINTER TO DA EYE!

Rage gives a flat out +2 A, not only when assaulting...

Can assault from an immobile transport.

Dark Apotheosis allows you to keep your Wargear, rules and powers( like in Fantasy).

Scour from the Taus markerlights only worsen your covers save for 1point, not completly negate it...

Freakin Deamon Engines has a better WS and I values...

Fear while not making ATSKNF units flee in terror, inflicts a -1 to their combat resolution.(they are not afraid, just concerned)

When a vehicule reach 0 HP, he isn't automatically destroyed, he just always throws on the damage chart when taking Penetrating Hits or Glancing Hits.

All Missile launchers should have the Anti-air missiles option for free.

Assault ranges are 6+D6".

Eldars Wave Serpents Shields shouldn't gain twinlinked from a scatter laser shooting before that...

Wraithknights; when en Eldar player put one on the table, kneejerk the dude in the jimmies, so hard that his grand kids will still feel nauseous from it.

If he puts more then one on the table, murder his whole familly and frame him for the crime.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Rage gives a flat out +2 A, not only when assaulting...

Yes. This. Make it happen. Khorne, Sanguinius and Rogal Dorn demands it!

Actual incentive for wiping out a unit in close combat on the first round.

Because right now, you have the silly situation of wanting the enemy unit to not die and stay and pass their leadership check as if you wipe them you are facing a load of shooting next turn, but if you don't then you kill them in their turn, then can move again in yours.

Maybe an overrun, so if you wipe the enemy out (either with attacks or they break and you run them down), you can go 2D6" into another enemy unit and lock them in combat, but they get to overwatch you and it doesn't count as a charge.

Assault is weaker at the moment, and overwatch is in so this is a good opportunity to bring back consolidation into combat.

 Daba wrote:
Actual incentive for wiping out a unit in close combat on the first round.

Because right now, you have the silly situation of wanting the enemy unit to not die and stay and pass their leadership check as if you wipe them you are facing a load of shooting next turn, but if you don't then you kill them in their turn, then can move again in yours.

Maybe an overrun, so if you wipe the enemy out (either with attacks or they break and you run them down), you can go 2D6" into another enemy unit and lock them in combat, but they get to overwatch you and it doesn't count as a charge.

Assault is weaker at the moment, and overwatch is in so this is a good opportunity to bring back consolidation into combat.

This was third edition.
This was the edition where my Dark Eldar Archon, with her Agoniser, Shadowfield and Incubi wiped out entire armies if she made it into combat (which was often.)

I dunno, I think it could work. Let them go 2d6 as said, but let the enemy overwatch at BS2 since they are a little better prepared, due to it happening during their turn. Also have it be a disordered charge.

high initiative tau, how can you be dynamic if you can't think on your hooves? I don't think it would be game breaking because ws2 and str3 and anything that isn't at least one of those is at least 50ppm.

assaulter attacks first as a charge bonus, partially because logic and partially because if paired with the above I would get to try to tickle marines to death before they eviscerated me

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I dunno, I think it could work. Let them go 2d6 as said, but let the enemy overwatch at BS2 since they are a little better prepared, due to it happening during their turn. Also have it be a disordered charge.

Yeah, Disordered charge (I said not counting as a charge to deny the bonus attack when getting into combat, which is along those lines).

They would be a little more prepared, but would BS2 really work, as it seems unfitting for the edition? How about get to overwatch twice, since you're skipping their turn? (really good for Flamers)

I mean, the thing that bugs me the most is the reverse way it currently works, in how you want your opponent to survive during your turn.

I would be fine for twice at Bs2

How about an initiative test on majority initiative, and if you pass you fire overwatch at full BS (Templates still work per overwatch, and no Blast weapons still), otherwise fire at BS1.

Initiative is a nice, fair stat since the ones that suffer less from going down to BS1 (Orks, Tau) have lower initiative, while the more elite ones that do suffer more thanks to being balanced around BS4 get a larger chance at it (Eldar, Space Marines).

 Daba wrote:
Initiative is a nice, fair stat since the ones that suffer less from going down to BS1 (Orks, Tau) have lower initiative, while the more elite ones that do suffer more thanks to being balanced around BS4 get a larger chance at it (Eldar, Space Marines).

wait are you saying that tau would suffer less for failing that initiative test?

 la'DunX wrote:

 Daba wrote:
Initiative is a nice, fair stat since the ones that suffer less from going down to BS1 (Orks, Tau) have lower initiative, while the more elite ones that do suffer more thanks to being balanced around BS4 get a larger chance at it (Eldar, Space Marines).

wait are you saying that tau would suffer less for failing that initiative test?

Going from BS 3->1 is obviously less bad than going BS 4->1. Then there's supporting fire on top of that.

I say we go back to 5th edition! Problems solved.

 Accipiter wrote:
Roll to hit.
Then have cover/armour/invul saves go.
Then roll to wound.

Its done the current way to save time.

GorillaWarfare wrote:

 Accipiter wrote:
Roll to hit.
Then have cover/armour/invul saves go.
Then roll to wound.

Its done the current way to save time.

He's saying simply swap the armor save and toughness roll's spots.

It changes pretty much nothing but it does make more sense.

 Daba wrote:
How about an initiative test on majority initiative, and if you pass you fire overwatch at full BS (Templates still work per overwatch, and no Blast weapons still), otherwise fire at BS1.

Initiative is a nice, fair stat since the ones that suffer less from going down to BS1 (Orks, Tau) have lower initiative, while the more elite ones that do suffer more thanks to being balanced around BS4 get a larger chance at it (Eldar, Space Marines).

I like this idea too, I think there's a similar mechanic in Zone Mortalis actually.