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 meecham63 wrote:
Chuck Norris would do it. Better than Abaddon. Better than the 4 chaos gods themselves. Why ? because he is Chuck Norris.

Five years ago, that joke might've almost been funny.

I heard Kharn is quite the politician.

Probably a Daemon Primarch. The only one sane enough to do so would probably be Magnus.

ThePrimordial wrote:
Probably a Daemon Primarch. The only one sane enough to do so would probably be Magnus.

Nope.
He's not sane at all.

My money is on Primarch Peturabo.

 Asherian Command wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Probably a Daemon Primarch. The only one sane enough to do so would probably be Magnus.

Nope.
He's not sane at all.

My money is on Primarch Peturabo.

I really have a pretty broad definition of "sane" but Magnus fits in it. I've never heard of him doing any insane stuff and he normally acts reasonably, so when did he get insane? Tzeentch's dominion doesn't involve insanity that's what you think, and if it did Magnus hates Tzeentch for di*king him over so hard so he probably isn't the prime example of a Tzeentch follower.

TiamatRoar wrote:
like that short story where that Iron Warrior flipped out when he found his guests were new instead of original Horus Heresy warriors

Which short story is this? I must read it

meecham63 wrote:
Chuck Norris would do it. Better than Abaddon. Better than the 4 chaos gods themselves. Why ? because he is Chuck Norris.



Five years ago, that joke might've almost been funny.

You take this discussion very seriously LoneLictor, I was just sarcastic...

Anyway, Tzeentch has all planned till the end of times, so the decision has allready been taken. I don't think it would be a Deamon Prince, Erebus is not a warrior leader, Kharn is absolutely mad and enable to drive a Black crusade...

The Fallen Primarchs had their chance during the Horus Heresy, and they missed it. I don't think Chaos gods would give them a second opportunity : they are loosers, they have failed.

IMO I would go with somebody unexpected, an new Horus : a respected and glorious Chapter Master whose mind would be twisted by Chaos Gods.

I don't think that the Traitor Legions would follow Huron Blackheart for a few reasons:

Firstly, Huron isn't that strong a leader. I mean sure, he's been able to cobble together an ad hoc pirate kingdom in the Maelstrom, but he lacks the sheer dynamism of a much older lord who fought at a primarch's side through the crusade and the heresy.

Secondly, I feel that any legionnaires would have a general feeling of disdain for any upstart renegade astartes lords. After all, what are his paltry achievements compared to those of a being who's commanded warriors who've fought for the dark gods for 10,000 years, and before that conquered entire subsections in the name of the False-Emperor?

Thirdly, even though Huron has a large enough following to conquer much of the Maelstrom, he lacks the numbers to subdue the millions of traitor humans, mutants, and daemon-spawn in the Eye of Terror, much less the tens of thousands of Chaos Marines there.

Lastly, there's the problem of basic galactic geography to deal with. The Maelstrom lies close to the Galactic core in the Ultimate Segmentum. To even get to the Eye, Huron would need to fight his way through large swathes of Segmentums Solar and Obscurus, some of the most heavily militarized Imperial bastions, and he'd need to contend with Battlefleets Gothic, Scarus, and Solar....some of the most lauded fleets in the entire Imperium. If by some dark miracle Huron survived such a trip, he would have taken such abysmal losses that any force he brings to the Eye would be negligible.


/end rant


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As to who would take over...is Little Horus Aximand still around? And is Alpharius/Omegon/--whoever is in charge of the Alpha Legion--the only renegade primarch's who hasn't died or ascended to Daemonhood?


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VensersRevenge wrote:
I heard Kharn is quite the politician.

I don't know if he's a good politician, but he is a really nice guy. Bought Typhus a round of beers when het got dumped. Fun guy to be around.

I'd love to see Honsou at least try for the spot.

Personally, I believe that if Abaddon falls, its game over for Chaos Undivided.The real cpntenders are the Daemon Primarchs. But only Lorgar and Perturabo would be suitable candidates being the only Undivided ones.Angron wouldn't listen to Fulgrim. Fulgrim wouldn't listen to Angron. Magnus wouldn't wouldn't listen to Mortarion and vice versa.


Perturabo is too siege oriented and sulky to do the job. Lorgar might be suitable but a hunch tells me the other Primarchs wouldn't listen to him. Maybe Magnus or possibly Angron but I doubt it.

 Deadshot wrote:
Personally, I believe that if Abaddon falls, its game over for Chaos Undivided.The real cpntenders are the Daemon Primarchs. But only Lorgar and Perturabo would be suitable candidates being the only Undivided ones.Angron wouldn't listen to Fulgrim. Fulgrim wouldn't listen to Angron. Magnus wouldn't wouldn't listen to Mortarion and vice versa.


Perturabo is too siege oriented and sulky to do the job. Lorgar might be suitable but a hunch tells me the other Primarchs wouldn't listen to him. Maybe Magnus or possibly Angron but I doubt it.

It's implied that Erebus locked Lorgar away in his tower so he couldn't interfere with his plans.

It's in the Eye of Terror, though, right? Towers have a habit of not staying locked. Or not staying towers. Or not mongoose entropy sloth-flavoured pancake dribble crabs.

...you get the idea...

My vote is on Urkrathos, chosen of Abaddon and master of the grand cruiser hell forger.

Dante, after the blood angles turn to choas.

His immortality is suspicious.

Whoever proclaims themselves Warmaster first, and then wins the ensuing battle.

Which would probably be Huron.

 Kain wrote:


It's implied that Erebus locked Lorgar away in his tower so he couldn't interfere with his plans.

I saw this speculation at 1d4chan but I don't know where it comes from. Do you know where it's implied?

Boss Snikrot of the Red Skull Kommandos


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 LoneLictor wrote:

 meecham63 wrote:
Chuck Norris would do it. Better than Abaddon. Better than the 4 chaos gods themselves. Why ? because he is Chuck Norris.

Five years ago, that joke might've almost been funny.

Haha... FATALITY!

LoneLictor wrote:

meecham63 wrote:
Chuck Norris would do it. Better than Abaddon. Better than the 4 chaos gods themselves. Why ? because he is Chuck Norris.


Five years ago, that joke might've almost been funny.



Haha... FATALITY!

I have allready flagellate myself several times for this joke.

I really dont think abby is all that special

The various chaos warbands fight amongst each other when they want to. They unite on a black crusade when they want to. Abby can try to lead them but I dont think he is the sole reason the warbands unite. Any suitably badass chaos warlord(of which there are many) can easily get chosen by the dark powers to be their undivided champion to run the crusades.

Just don't see Huron going for it. I mean he was never exactly a traitor Marine. The Imperium turned on him first then, then he was driven to Chaos. Not out of any love for the Chaos Gods but becuase that was the only way left for him at the end of the Babada wars.

Huron? He's a pirate, nothing more. His little band gets far more credit than it deserves.

I doubt there's another Chaos Lord alive who can manage to bring the Legions together into one force the way Abaddon has.

My opinion doesn't have much value as I am not a chaos expert.

However I would say no one. I don't think there are any other characters with the drive, leadership, or the respect and reputation to be able to bring all the war bands together.

 Exergy wrote:
I really dont think abby is all that special

The various chaos warbands fight amongst each other when they want to. They unite on a black crusade when they want to. Abby can try to lead them but I dont think he is the sole reason the warbands unite. Any suitably badass chaos warlord(of which there are many) can easily get chosen by the dark powers to be their undivided champion to run the crusades.

At least according to the wiki (I can't say for sure where it comes from, but it was added after they tried to stick to canon more), there was a LOT of political wrangling that Abaddon had to do (calling in favors, threats, promises, etc) in order to get everything ready for the 13th Black Crusade (and presumably the other crusades). Chaos Is inherently fractious. Unlike Orks, they don't waaaagh together just for the hell of it.

As others have stated, I would assume it would need to be a Chaos Undivided leader who's still hellbent on defeating the Imperium. As much as I despise the Black Legion, why wouldn't it be one of his close lieutenants, such as one of the surviving Mournival advisors?
Huron's too young, good luck trying to get a 10k year old warrior to follow somebody a few centuries old who didn't fight in the HH.
You would think that one of the primarchs would really want to come out and fight as the leader, but most of them are content to sit on their daemon worlds doing whatever it is they do. (Except for Angron) If I had to pick a primarch who would lead Chaos, maybe Perturabo?
I think Typhus is a badass, but he's a Nurgle follower.

The Soul Hunters heir Decimus.
/thread

Seriously though, he's on his way to uniting the NL's and roflstomping Ulthwe. I could see him as being capable of doing it. Only problem is that he and the legion in general despise the warp gods, and have no interest in pursuing any agenda beyond their own.

My money's on Huron. He has no problem getting daemons and cult-legionaires to follow his orders, I don't see his age being an issue. Got the might, must be right, and so on.

The thing is, Huron and the Maelstromites are kind of on the entirely wrong side of the galaxy, maybe he could call in some favors to get him over to the correct side, but if the warp currents aren't willing it's gonna be a long trip.

Which can totally be made into a comedy.

"Lufgt Huron and the Red Corsairs in: Are we there yet?"

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but isn't Huron slightly ...... mentally challenged (Due to the massive amounts of Bionics)? IIRC the Night Lord novels made him look like he needed constant checkups from Apothecaries.

However, I really like the idea of Decimus becoming the new leader.

Lucarikx

I'm going to cast my vote for Huron. But not in the manner your all thinking. I believe the events that follow would cascade with Huron becoming more powerful as a result.

1) Abaddon dies.
2) The Lords of Chaos in the eye decimate each other fighting for scraps from the table. Truly I don't think their is one contender strong enough to win through quickly.
3) The broken and disparate forces of the defeated melt away with their own warbands,
4) The eye is a free for all with no real safe spots. I can quite easily see the beginning of a migration of Chaos Space Marines to the supplies the Maelstrom offers.
5)I can see Huron absorbing a good number of Maine's from the eye as the warbands go about their business.

Herons rise to power wouldn't be a 'Raargh Im The boss' type event. But a slow exodus as the warbands dissipate without a cetral figurehead to keep them.
As for comments that Legionnairies wouldn't follow Huron because 'he wasn't there' would soon swallow their pride if they want their ship refitting or rearming. Huron has a central and organised power base. And that by its nature would draw support.

As for the comments that Huron isn't the dark gods chosen one. Well if Abaddon is dead then the Gods will need a new champion and I'd bet money on it bring the one with the most power pledged to undivided.

I'd also say a primarch wouldn't cut it. Any leader who can't sustain his form in the material universe isn't going to hold their followers together for long. A crusade maybe but nothing ling term.

Vin Diesel!

Abbadon isn't replaced by any one man when he dies, the Dark Council step forward to lead the forces of Chaos with unholy fury.