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**NinthMusketeer**

Yeah, no priest required.

Something I don't see mentioned is lord Kroak, he makes a temple guard unit he joins unbreakable and any unit he joins -1 to hit with shooting and melee. Still only has one repeatable direct damage spell but comes at a reasonable points value.

Other things I noticed:
-Can put Scar-Vets on Carnosaurs.
-Carnosaurs are d3 wounds on everything, can be upgraded to have swiftstride.
-Tetto'Ekko is quite good. Gives d3 units vanguard, each magic phase roll a d6 on a 1 friendly wizards re-roll 6s when casting, on a 2+ they re-roll 1s. Lvl 2 loremaster of heavens.
-Ripperdactyls are glass cannons, tough 3 with a 4+ save and 2 wounds, and only initiative 3. Yet with toad rage and frenzy they get 2+d3+1 attacks...
-Troglodon has a one use str5 d3 wound shooting attack.
-Krox and skink cohorts seem underwhelming compared to base saurus, who got primal fighter with no points increase and can take spears for free.
-Above mentioned spears is a great option since EotG gives a 6" bubble of units getting a 6+ ward.
-Slann can swap spells with any friendly wizard, no restriction to other slann.
-Bastiladon stat line meh, but durable thanks to 2+ save and very cheap for a monster. Snake spitter version does 2d6 str2 on all enemies within d6" as a shooting attack, usable in close combat. Also adds a jungle swarm base to a unit within 6" on a 4+, can take it above starting size.

**silent25**

Got a look over the book tonight. Will have to see how things pan out. Not a LM player, so can't make the call if they are good or bad. Only glad to see the most abusive elements of Slann are gone.

Think you will see a bunch of monster mash lists come out. Will be able to filed 7 Stegs for around 1600 pts. Not sure if you will actually see bastiladons that much. They only have 4 S4 attacks with the option of making one of them S10. Even with the solar gun, they are not that amazing.

The LM seem to be able to field a lot of multi-wound causing attacks with the Piranha Bldae, upgraded stegs, and the trog spit attack. Think you will see a change from the current monstrous cav builds currently out there.

**DarkStarSabre**

NinthMusketeer wrote:

-Carnosaurs are d3 wounds on everything, can be upgraded to have swiftstride.

You can also give Carnosaurs a sort of reverse Cold Blooded effect for Fear and Terror tests (3 dice, take the highest). This could prove hilarious against low LD armies. Carnosaurs will literally become linebreakers.

-Slann can swap spells with any friendly wizard, no restriction to other slann.

The spell swap is actually with two wizards that share that special rule. Only Slann have it unfortunately

That makes it very situational for its use. You can however still cast magic missiles and direct damage spells through Skink Priests, Oracles and a few SCs as with the old book.

Hilariously Lord Kroak's spell bomb is a direct damage spell. Which can be cast as many times as he pleases. And it can never be stolen, lost or forgotten. Iirc aren't there some magic items that literally steal a spell and replace once of the caster's with the stolen spell? Kroak is a mean counter to that. They steal the spell, lose one of their own and immediately forget his spell which he immediately remembers.

I picture lots of Skink priests coming out. Moving forward around an enemy line and then Kroak just mass spellbombs.

Also, scaly skin on skinks! Even priests!

There's a lot of 5th edition Lizard references...ok, one of two. Including the old Egg of Quango.

Other oddities and quirks to mention - Magic Items.

Blade of Realities got shafted hard. Lost its amazing special rule and went up by as many points as the Slann.
Piranha Blade is decent. Price went up but got a lot better.
Stegadon Helm is ridiculous now. It gives impact hits!
Skavenpelt Banner is no longer Skinks only but went up a bit in points - still, with Predatory Fighters I predict we're going to see people trying to build two Frenzy Hordes of Saurus with banners (using the BSB for one and putting one of the Temple Guard). Probably also throwing the Horn of Kygor in to make mounts and the like go nuts too.
Plaque of Dominion got a bit better - no longer an auto but a bound spell cheap enough to put on a Skink Priest.

Oh yeah, fun stuff with the units as they are.

Skinks got Scaly Skin again. That makes me so happy.
Kroxigor are S5 again and cheaper. More happy abounds.
Cold Ones have 2 attacks again!

**RiTides**

Hmm, so with 6+ scaly skin, a skink cohort with javelin, shield, and the lore of metal spell for +2 AS gets a 3+ armor save and becomes a viable possibility

. Tie things up for saurus to smash! (or other various monsters). I might take back my thoughts on the mixed unit... at least for a few situations

So far, looks like a really well done book. Doesn't look like primal fighter works for supporting attacks, but saurus with free spears would be Really insane if it did (or if it gets FAQ'd to).

**Cirronimbus**

Unfortunately the lore of metal spell grants a 5+ Scaly Skin save, so on Skinks it only helps their save by 1 (improving their 6+ to a 5+) and on Saurus it doesn't do anything. I wish it was worded as "increases armour save by 2". At least my understanding is that Scaly Skins don't stack with each other. Like putting light armour on something wearing heavy armour.

**RiTides**

Ah, darn you're right. Oh well, it was a nice thought

**NinthMusketeer**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
The spell swap is actually with two wizards that share that special rule. Only Slann have it unfortunately That makes it very situational for its use.

Ah, missed that part. Very situational in that case, though could be fun if you had two lizardmen players on the same side in a team game...

On a separate note I could see Kroak in with 30+ temple guard as a formidable fighting unit. Unbreakable and -1 hit... if you threw in a bsb with frenzy banner and gave the unit bearer the swiftstride banner it would be devastating, though certainly a lot of points in one basket.

**Arch-Fiend**

The Ripperdactyls remind of the Tapejara from Walking With Dinosaurs. Also, I always thought the Carnosaur to be more like Postosuchus than an oversized raptor/t-rex thing. Still, the models are impressive, wish I started a Lizardmen army earlier.

**silent25**

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Other oddities and quirks to mention - Magic Items.

Blade of Realities got shafted hard. Lost its amazing special rule and went up by as many points as the Slann.
Piranha Blade is decent. Price went up but got a lot better.
Stegadon Helm is ridiculous now. It gives impact hits!
Skavenpelt Banner is no longer Skinks only but went up a bit in points - still, with Predatory Fighters I predict we're going to see people trying to build two Frenzy Hordes of Saurus with banners (using the BSB for one and putting one of the Temple Guard). Probably also throwing the Horn of Kygor in to make mounts and the like go nuts too.
Plaque of Dominion got a bit better - no longer an auto but a bound spell cheap enough to put on a Skink Priest.

You are likely going to see a lot of Old Blood w/ Piranha Blade, Stegadon Helm, and OTS (100 pts for all three), on a cold one. The Piranha Blade specifically states "wielder" and not "attacks made" so the impact hits from the Steg Helm are multi-wound on a T6 model with a 1+ save. That is quite a hard nut to break. Will see him going into a lot of monstrous cav/inf. Personally think ogres are going to be scarce for a while as everyone ramps up the mutli-wound.

With the exception of the BoR, the magic item list is pretty good for LM. Even the new version of the Cube is good as a second dispel scroll.

From games I saw this weekend, multi-wound stegs are good, Bastilidons are too squishy, and Trogs are good. People haven't tried the rippers much yet to make a call.

As a beastman player, I was mainly busy in a corner crying

**RiTides**

Proxy your beastmen as lizardmen

. Actually could be a decent fit...

Thanks for the thoughts, and that is indeed a nice combo for an Old Blood. If it gets more Old Bloods on the field and less Slanns, so much the better!

**Ehsteve**

silent25 wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:

Other oddities and quirks to mention - Magic Items.

Blade of Realities got shafted hard. Lost its amazing special rule and went up by as many points as the Slann.
Piranha Blade is decent. Price went up but got a lot better.
Stegadon Helm is ridiculous now. It gives impact hits!
Skavenpelt Banner is no longer Skinks only but went up a bit in points - still, with Predatory Fighters I predict we're going to see people trying to build two Frenzy Hordes of Saurus with banners (using the BSB for one and putting one of the Temple Guard). Probably also throwing the Horn of Kygor in to make mounts and the like go nuts too.
Plaque of Dominion got a bit better - no longer an auto but a bound spell cheap enough to put on a Skink Priest.

You are likely going to see a lot of Old Blood w/ Piranha Blade, Stegadon Helm, and OTS (100 pts for all three), on a cold one. The Piranha Blade specifically states "wielder" and not "attacks made" so the impact hits from the Steg Helm are multi-wound on a T6 model with a 1+ save. That is quite a hard nut to break. Will see him going into a lot of monstrous cav/inf. Personally think ogres are going to be scarce for a while as everyone ramps up the mutli-wound.

With the exception of the BoR, the magic item list is pretty good for LM. Even the new version of the Cube is good as a second dispel scroll.

From games I saw this weekend, multi-wound stegs are good, Bastilidons are too squishy, and Trogs are good. People haven't tried the rippers much yet to make a call.

As a beastman player, I was mainly busy in a corner crying

A CC character with a 1+ Armour Save doesn't help against a lucky cannonball. You need to find a more foolproof manner to keep him alive until he makes it into the front lines. Since they are still Ld8/9 (due to cold blooded) death magic still has the advantage over them so it can be sniped.

CC character are still not dominating the non-comped scene. It looks like scroll caddy skink priests just aren't going to cut it, you need to make sure you actually get spell/dispel or otherwise you're sacrificing a phase you desperately need to contest in order to ensure your CC is its most effective (rather than getting hexed or your enemy getting too well buffed).

**Therion**

CC character are still not dominating the non-comped scene

Nurgle DPs dominate pretty hard and the BSB with a 1+ save and 3+ re-rollable ward is no slouch either.

**Necros**

My limited ed army book came yesterday. Have to admit it's pretty nice. I really do like how they do those uber versions of the books, I just wish they would let FLGSes get em.

The lizard skin cover is pretty cool, and poofy. It's got a funky smell, not that "new game book" smell. The slip cover looks nice too, but I don't know what to do with it. It will get messed up easy if I keep it on the book. Guess I could just use it when it's on the shelf and take it off when I play...

No new models yet, but I'll probably get a bastilidon. Hoping I can do some magnetizing for the stuff on top so I can do 1 model with both versions. But since I have a metal carnosaur I'd prolly do that other thing if I get the new kit.

I kinda wish they would have done a plastic salamader / razordon kit.

**RiTides**

Is the GW Newsletter regarding the new Lizardmen and Warhammer fantasy digital products being discussed separately anywhere? Feel free to link me there if so...

Here it is from my inbox:

Games Workshop Newsletter wrote:The Games Workshop Newsletter 06.08.2013

In this issue: Exclusive Lizardmen products for your iPad
To complement the new range of Lizardmen releases this month, we've got a great selection of new Warhammer Digital Editions for your iPad.

Warhammer: Lizardmen

First up, is the Lizardmen army book. It has all the content of the hardback edition, plus all the features you've come to expect from our iPad Editions. Quick-links embedded throughout the book make it a convenient aid to gaming. There's an interactive miniatures gallery showing off the Lizardmen range, including 360 rotating images of its monsters and character models. Warhammer: Lizardmen will also be automatically updated with any new additions or amendments to the rules including new FAQ's.

How To Paint Citadel Miniatures: Lizardmen

Next up, How to Paint Citadel Miniatures: Lizardmen presents detailed stage-by-stage guides on painting the reptilian children of the Old Ones. It includes guides for all the new plastic kits, as well as Skinks, Saurus, Kroxigor, Slann Mage Priests and more, as well as top-tips from 'Eavy Metal painters.

Warhammer Battlefields

We're excited to announce a completely new type of product this month and a new series - Warhammer Battlefields. These are two player campaign systems, allowing you and your opponent to wage wars across various settings within the Warhammer World.

Not only will you need to outplay your opponent on the battlefield, you'll need to out think, and outwit them in the grand strategy of the campaign. Each campaign includes brand new scenarios that can also be used on their own for one-off games. Every time you play though a campaign, the scenarios change depending on your choices, and the outcomes of earlier battles making for great replayability.

Warhammer Battlefields contains an interactive campaign-tracker, to help keep a record of your victories (and defeats) as well as any special bonuses your army has acquired. All these new campaigns can be used with any Warhammer army.

The series kicks off with two titles:

Warhammer Battlefields: Border Wars sees two mighty empires battle for supremacy over a contested region of the Warhammer world, great for representing the warring factions of the Old World.

In Warhammer Battlefields Lustria, your army braves the unforgiving jungles of this deadly continent, a great setting for battles with a Lizardmen army, or any other general seeking adventure in the New World.

Link to iPad version of army book:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/warhammer-lizardmen/id679778930?mt=11

Link to the two Battlefields scenario books:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/warhammer-battlefields-border/id679123525?mt=11

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/warhammer-battlefields-lustria/id679150344?mt=11

**jah-joshua**

i was having another look through this issue of WD this morning, and noticed that Kroq-Gar has a Necron symbol on his gauntlet...
seems like an interesting fluff tie-in...
the Old Ones were fighting the Necrons, got their butts kicked, and that's why they had to split before they could finish their plans, thus allowing Chaos to enter the Old World...

i will definitely have to give this Army Book a read, and see what kind of new Old Ones fluff we get, especially after they shook up the Necron background, which i enjoyed...

cheers
jah