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WK is one unit that I will definitely get. Undecided on the flyers yet. Maybe I won't play him always, but damn does that model look amazing!

GTKA666 wrote:
In regards to the WK discussion hear is how I will put it as : prox it till your hear is content. Just get a flyng base and measure up 9 in. He isnt for everyne and i personally like him. I will also be taking him to a GT ( a week from now) to see how he really puts out and i will be providing batreps.

Looking forward to reading them.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Both, the Nightspinner and the Fire Prism are too unreliable since the blasts have a 66% chance on average to scatter (3-7 inches).
Moreover, the enemy may stay in cover reducing the number of casualties.
I'd stay away from both kinds of tanks in competitive play.

If it were as simple as that you'd never see blasts in this game, and yet they appear in competitive lists for several armies all the time. I'm not big on the Nightspinner because it is just another source of mass S6, but the Prism has a unique role and is good to saturate the board with more AV12 in a Serpent SPAM list.

Its not that simple. But Nightspinners and Fireprisms are just too unreliable.

I played a game last night, new eldar v. new Tau. These are my findings:

1. The Fire Prism needs guide or prescience if you're going to be shooting vehicles. The large blast is amazing,.

2. The Wraithknight tends to suffer if it's facing a lot of infantry. Unless you take to expensive sun cannon and shield, it'smain targets are TEQ, cvehicles, and MCs. If those aren't in range or the opponent doesn't have them, you won't get the utmost performance from the WK. I still like it, though.

3. I need war walkers.

 Araenion wrote:
This is a template, not blast...it hits automatically exactly where you want it.

This is what comes when i post first thing in the morning. I never liked the torrent option so i keep forgetting about it.

 McNinja wrote:
I played a game last night, new eldar v. new Tau. These are my findings:

1. The Fire Prism needs guide or prescience if you're going to be shooting vehicles. The large blast is amazing,.

2. The Wraithknight tends to suffer if it's facing a lot of infantry. Unless you take to expensive sun cannon and shield, it'smain targets are TEQ, cvehicles, and MCs. If those aren't in range or the opponent doesn't have them, you won't get the utmost performance from the WK. I still like it, though.

3. I need war walkers.

That's what I said: Warwalkers.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
war walkers.

Warwalkers.

Warwalkers. Run 9 of them and watch your opponent cry. Or 18 if you're playing double FOC(that's 1260 points for 144 S6 shots ).

The ones I like the most:

1. War walkers. Because War walkers.

2. Vaul's Wrath Battery: Shadow Weavers. In lower point games, they're godsend. For just 90 points you get so much out of them.

3. Wraithknight: Amazing model(IMO), a utility unit with amazing versatility, fits into any army type. S10 AP2 and 5 S10 AP2 attacks on the charge are something Eldar don't have anywhere else. Plus, for less than two FPs with Holofields, I get the same amount of AT and a much more durable unit and a free heavy support slot.

4. Dark Reapers: Expensive and fragile, but amazing in certain kinds of lists. One of the units that need a list to be built around them, instead of them rounding out the list.

5. Nightspinner: IMO the best tank in HS slot, it's very versatile in what it can engage. Can make a total mess out of Tau and IG gunlines, though it suffers from bad rolls like the Prism does.

5. Fire Prism: BS 5 and it'd work. BS4 and they're more a frustration when you miss and scatter all the time than anything else. Floating boxes of bad bad luck.

6. Falcons: Wave Serpent killed this one. My old favourite.

7. Wraithlords: Nah. Anything they can do Wraithknight can do better. And they're so goddamn slow... ...this is more of a subjective rating than the rest, I understand that it can be good in certain lists. Again, they need a list built around them to be effective.

My original post didn't answer the question so I'm sorry. But I stil do stand to that serpents are better than falcons....

War walkers. As the countless other have said... War walkers. War walkers war walkers. And some more. Their the beats. Need anti air? War walkers. Need anti infantry? War walkers. Need anything? War walkers.

Who do you call? War walkers!

War Walkers are a really good choice, just as others have mentioned. I think a bigger questioned for me these days is it worth to even add more gear to the War Walker squadron? Another huge boost for them is the FAQ that allows the player to determine the order of things that happen at the beginning of the turn. As long as the Farseer is on the table at the start of the turn (IE: Not in reserve), you can have your War Walkers come in from Reserve, then cast Guide on them. With a 24" range, this has been very useful. So much so, I just go with all Scatterlasers. 24 shots at BS4 with a reroll nets me about 20 hits which can be brutal. This is why I'm debating things like Holofields or the extra move distance to ensure they get the proper protection necessary. After one turn of fire, they become target priority #1 with my opponents.

I do like Nightspinners, but will admit that I cast Guide on it every turn. For example, against Tau, it is easy for me to hit 2-3 Broadsides and it's not uncommon for me to roll a '6' to wound. This is a S8, AP2 wound that I will apply first to the closest model to the center blast. Unless they are inside area terrain, they are getting no cover save and I am insta-killing a Broadside. If they are in area terrain, it is typically a 5+, so I'll still take the chance. These days, the only time I use the Torrent option is against Infiltrators or Drop Pods/Deep Strikers. I don't rush this tank forward to fire the template as it becomes too exposed.

I don't like Fire Prisms. I've run only a single Prism in games and its performance has been 'meh'. Against things like Hammerheads and Land Raiders, it has a decent purpose with the S9 Lance shot, but I tend to see it's not mandatory.

Falcons-'meh'.

Wraithknight. I built and painted a 300 point version (Suncannon/Scattershield/Scatterlaser) and I really like this option. I don't have to worry about Guide/Prescience for this model and the Suncannon has been extremely useful. Also, with his height, I've been able to see over ADLs and utilize Focus Fire a lot (LOS drawn from the model's eye view). He has also been very useful against Drop Pod heavy armies. He has also been ace as a counter assault element. Casting Prescience on him can be quite useful as he can assault with 5 attacks/+1 for Hammer of Wrath. At S10, AP2, this gives oppoenents something to think about before rushing big nasty assault creatures towards my tanks.

All in all, my army looks a bit like a tweaked 5th edition Mechdar list. I have troops and heavy support as my staple units. It plays fairly well and gives me enough options as a TAC list.

Farseer, Jetbike, Mantle, Spear

2 x 10 Guardians, WS, t/l Scatterlaser, Holofield
2 x 5 DA, WX, t/l Scatterlaser, Holofield

Wraithknight, Scatterlaser/Suncannon/Scatterfield
Nightspinner, Holofield
3 War Walkers, Scatterlasers

From there, I tweak it as it is the core of my 1750-2000 point army.

Dark Reapers joined by a Tau Commander with puretide chip and command & control is nasty.

 D6Damager wrote:
Dark Reapers joined by a Tau Commander with puretide chip and command & control is nasty.

I've seen this in play and it certainly is something to behold, though the combo I saw also had the Multi-Spectrum Suite to ignore cover as well.

No, you can't cast guide on Warwalkers coming in from reserve.

As the FAQ clarified, you can choose the order of rolling for reserves or casting psychic powers. Sciers gaze can work, good.

Actually moving models onto the table still comes after both actions. Read both FAQ and rulebook again, because casting guide on outflanked Warwalkers is cheating in a big way.

I understand that there are differences of opinion here, but there's at least an argument to be made that the FAQ does allow this. Nothing explicitly disallows casting of powers on, rather than by, units arriving from Reserves. If it's not allowed, it must be because all powers must be cast before units actually arrive from Reserves. I think the reasoning for this is that powers are cast simultaneously with Reserves rolls, and units arrive from Reserves after those rolls. The counterargument is that the same FAQ says that those other two things occur simultaneously with outflanking rolls. Outflanking rolls occur "when" a unit arrives from Reserves, and the Reserves rules seem clear that units arrive from Reserve sequentially. So you can be taking an outflanking roll after "deploying" a unit from Reserves. So psychic powers occur "simultaneously" with something that can occur after other units have arrived on the table, which suggests that "the start of the turn" is actually a pretty broad window. This is admittedly a pretty long chain of reasoning.

Whaaaa? I don't know, I'll play it how everyone else is playing it where I'm at.