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 mattyrm wrote:
Hey I hated those gakky centurions as well, but cincy is right, dakka is one big pity party at the moment, 75% of the site seems to be impotent rage and fury against GW.

Remember kids:

It's not "legitimate criticism", it's "impotent rage".
It's not "dissatisfaction", it's "fury".

Sternguard look awesome even from only that tiny image. Must see more...

 Eldarain wrote:
Sternguard look awesome even from only that tiny image. Must see more...

Those are vanguard not Sternguard.

Vanguard look good. Nice to see proper Mk6 feet, and Mk5 legs at last

The sergeant looks a little bored... or maybe the grav pistol just isn't very good, and he's cranky at being sent into battle with it.


The character shots looks cool. The head on the Librarian is fantastic.

 Alpharius wrote:
All we need now is for someone to claim how shameful this has all become, and the circle will be complete!

Not funny.

RGilbert, you need to check the last couple pages again my friend, there is a tiny thumbnail of iron hands sternguard.

Proper combi-plasma, none of that dross from the finecast upgrade pack. Might prompt me to build a new SG squad as my old kitbashed ones can't hope to match these for awesomeness.

Last picture - those are sternguard.

Grav-weapons are powerful. They roll to Wound against target's armor save. And amps are giving them re-rolls. I don't know if they have AP value, but in the report 3 Centurions are wiping out power-armored squad a turn.

That´s what plasma cannon devastators normally do so what on earth new is this ugly unit bringing to the table?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
All we need now is for someone to claim how shameful this has all become, and the circle will be complete!

Not funny.

Someone has no sense of humor...

 prowla wrote:

I thought that Terminators with Chainfists were there to do the "heavy armor breaching stuff".. apparently not good enough! However, if the Centurions are good, I might just convert some Termis with the drills and bits to make a "Termi Breacher Squad".

Well, those were/are the heavy armour breaching stuff. Marines pretty much already have all their role niches filled. These models fill the role of being a new model that they hope people will (want/need) to buy.

Particularly in light of everyone having plenty of terminators via AOBR/DV, and tactical marines being even more available....

 Frankie Joe wrote:
Hey, vanguards!

Now that's more like it!!!

Stunning kit, and another kit-basher's dream come true.

Just noticed the helmets on the sternguard are slightly different looking with the wires on the side and what looks to be a slit-ike visor.

Most possibly, one of the weapons is a combi-gravity gun.
If the grav-gun rules rumors are correct, they seem to be outshined by hellfire rounds.
But perhaps hellfire rounds will not be the same...

 insaniak wrote:
Vanguard look good. Nice to see proper Mk6 feet, and Mk5 legs at last

The sergeant looks a little bored... or maybe the grav pistol just isn't very good, and he's cranky at being sent into battle with it.


The character shots looks cool. The head on the Librarian is fantastic.

"Dem new fangled ray guns don't pack the same punch as a bolt pistol, sonny"

I have no idea why a space marine would sound like an old cowboy, but that's what I'm going with..

winterdyne wrote:
You guys thinking of mega armour may want to wait for the Mantic Ripper suits, if GW models only is not a concern.
Trust me on that.

Kromlech already has some pretty awesome ones.

These latest pictures are definitely more like it. Although, the Vanguard box doesn't seem like quite enough to make me want to get a set, since I've already done so much with Sanguinary Guard models.

The Sternguard on the other hand. More pictures may convince me of that.

So... yeah... if the SM were the main starter army before this release, they sure are going to be for a while longer.

I am LOVING the personality those heads give us. I prefer helmed heads a lot more but those are just spectacular!

And those combi weapons, wow, I mean, wow.

Yeah, those SG helmets look very interesting. I agree with H...Bits Valhalla may be in sight. While the Centurions were as I expected, I really like the VG kit, poses and content, and those little sneaks are pretty compelling.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Vanguard look good. Nice to see proper Mk6 feet, and Mk5 legs at last

The sergeant looks a little bored... or maybe the grav pistol just isn't very good, and he's cranky at being sent into battle with it.


The character shots looks cool. The head on the Librarian is fantastic.

"Dem new fangled ray guns don't pack the same punch as a bolt pistol, sonny"

I have no idea why a space marine would sound like an old cowboy, but that's what I'm going with..

Graviton Weapons predate the Heresy and have been used as recently as the Badab War according to FW. Not really "new" now is it?

Also, is it just me or are those sterguard painted up as... IRONHANDS?! DO GW ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EXISTANCE NOW?!

Those grav-weapons look as if they plundered a Tomb World

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Vanguard look good. Nice to see proper Mk6 feet, and Mk5 legs at last

The sergeant looks a little bored... or maybe the grav pistol just isn't very good, and he's cranky at being sent into battle with it.


The character shots looks cool. The head on the Librarian is fantastic.

"Dem new fangled ray guns don't pack the same punch as a bolt pistol, sonny"

I have no idea why a space marine would sound like an old cowboy, but that's what I'm going with..

'Quit yer whinin' boy, in my day xenos were twice as hard to kill and more often than not you had to punch them to death because your weapon jammed and you'd had to walk accross half the planet because the damned Thunderhawk pilots could never get the drop zone right'.

Except it would be more like:

'Ah, in the old days we just had to click our fingers and our enemies died in droves. On the odd occasion they didn't you'd fire a rad missile or conversion beamer at them without the armoury pitching a fit about "wasting chapter relics". I miss those times.'

Angry Ron wrote:
Also, is it just me or are those sterguard painted up as... IRONHANDS?! DO GW ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EXISTANCE NOW?!

With any luck there'll be an Iron Hands character, too, if everyone gets their own section.

 Liquid Squid wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Also, is it just me or are those sterguard painted up as... IRONHANDS?! DO GW ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EXISTANCE NOW?!

With any luck there'll be an Iron Hands character, too, if everyone gets their own section.

Supposedly all first founding chapters that don't already have their own codex are getting supplement...

Sorry this is several pages late, you guys gave me a lot to catch up on after work today . But anyway...

 aliusexalio wrote:

 Deacis657 wrote:
I guess my biggest problem with them is they look to "cartoony". I would say make them about an inch taller and make the legs not as thick they would look much better.

Have you ever looked closely at any of the GW models? I mean seriously people... this isn't flames of war, it's warhammer 40k, space elves and space orcs ffs.....

This is not a valid argument, and that is not how suspension of disbelief works. Space elves and space orcs are perfectly reasonable for the setting because they follow the established rules for the setting. This armor does not. It doesn't seem anything like what a Space Marine would use, doesn't seem to fit a role they don't already have filled, and doesn't really look capable of motion. It breaks established aesthetics and ideas about what the faction is, and yes, it does look really silly. You're essentially saying, just because this is sci-fi (well, sci-fantasy really) means anything goes in terms of silliness! Any fictional setting has to follow its own rules. Jedi can't suddenly gain the ability to shapeshift and say "it's part of the Force!" because that breaks the rules Star Wars has established. Space Marines don't surf on Land Raiders wielding multilasesers cause that's fething stupid. Breaking your own established rules with no explanation is what makes bad fiction. The rule here being that the general laws of physics and motion are at least acknowledged in the 40k universe, if not strictly adhered to.

775B53 wrote:
"these are the worst models I have ever seen. No hyperbole. GW is a joke, they have no creativity. I say this as a basement dweller who knows nothing about art, yet somehow I know I have better taste than a team of professional designers. I will also comment on the paint job even though I can't even bring myself to paint my necrons/grey knights/latest power army. I haven't bought any GW models in twenty years, this just confirms I made the right decision to fund (insert any lame kickstarter here)."

Am I doing it right? I think I covered all of dakka's usual bases. I saved you all the trouble of commenting! Now all we need is a new buzzword for these models (a.l.a. dinobots/chibihawk/pumbagore etc) to repeat ad nauseum for the next few months.

I think the models are fine. not great, but not as bad as people are saying.

This argument also really confuses me. What you're essentially saying is that if you can't produce something, you have no right to an opinion on it, or you should always think it's good. I'm not a musician, I have no musical talent, but does that mean I can't think Linkin Park is a gakky band? I can't do what they're doing, but that doesn't make what they're doing good. Same goes for models. Just because someone can do something you can't doesn't mean they're doing it well.

Ranting over, sorry but I really had to get that out of my system. On topic, those vets look awesome! Stuff like that kind of makes me want to start a Marine army, but I do not have the time or money for that.

 Frankie Joe wrote:
I already assembled them, so I can't really provide you with proper pictures of the sprues, but I can show you my assembled marines along with what's left of them, if that's of anybody's interest..

I promise that the lightning claw dudester looks cooler when looked at from above.











The sprue pics are sort of crap, but whachugonndo.

After seeing these, I think I prefer the parts available from existing kits. They're not pants, but just nothing extra special (although it seems like a bunch of options available in a single kit, which is good).

If I return to Loyalists, I'll probably just cherry pick these kind of things from other kits (Blood Angels have especially good weapons, IMO).

Mhmm I'm not sure what's been posted rules wise

Vanguard down 6 points
3pts for jump packs
Shifted to elites





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 Liquid Squid wrote:

Angry Ron wrote:
Also, is it just me or are those sterguard painted up as... IRONHANDS?! DO GW ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EXISTANCE NOW?!

With any luck there'll be an Iron Hands character, too, if everyone gets their own section.

They are raven guard according to wd

Same heroic intervention rules?

and similar pricing on gear?

Edit: also im pretty sure no rules have been posted yet so spill le beans. all of it

Look on the bright side everyone: the Centurions make fantastic Angry Marines.

If you can add enough bling you can push it from bland, to unapologetically over-the-top awesomeness*.

*NOTE: I do not condone the purchase of these models apart from those with already existing Angry Marines forces.