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I'd rather have something that can reliably take down a Heldrake rather than a just a unit that can survive their onslaught

I kept telling myself that I would not go back to the SM codex from BA. My marines are a BA army through and through.

That said, if the SM codex can take assault marines troops and a librarian dread then I might have to break that promise. The rules I am hearing are, at least to me, only positive.

Those Templar Centurians actually look pretty cool, and I was in the "they look like a pile of turds" camp. I'd like to see that picture a little bigger.

SMMSjosh14 wrote:
Any chance the new stuff will be available to all space marine chapters...
For example the new (what looks like anti air tanks) could be used with BA/DA/BT codex's etc..?
They gave the storm raven from just two chapters to everyone so I'm wondering if they will make the new units avaliable to all chapters??? Anyone have any idea ?

I mean there is a chance. The AA tanks I feel more likely than others

The centurians feel very C:SM to me. I dont see BA or SW or DA getting them. If DA got them, watch out for the bolter banner and the hurricane bolters.

Sternguard and VV, well whatever rules they get in C:SM are not going to overwrite the rules in BA. SW and DA arent getting them, of course you could use the models however you like.

It won't be to hard to just play my BA as red SM until we get a new 'dex.

SMMSjosh14 wrote:
Any chance the new stuff will be available to all space marine chapters...
For example the new (what looks like anti air tanks) could be used with BA/DA/BT codex's etc..?
They gave the storm raven from just two chapters to everyone so I'm wondering if they will make the new units avaliable to all chapters??? Anyone have any idea ?

probably not, the only reason they handed out the plane to other marine chapters was to even the playing field a bit. The generic space marines have always been ahead of the other chapters(still waiting for my DA to find a thunderfire cannon).

Well generic marines aren't so much a head as they are ubiquitous, sense the codex allows you to generate any chapter you want it has to have everything that is unique to one chapter to allow for flexibility.

Great points, thanks guys. I guess I am just sad because I've finally finished painting up and having some HQ's professionally done on my blood angels after getting back into the hobby only to find (via reading, not actual experience) that they suck and the new SM codex will just put us to more shame. But.. I imagine I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
It won't be to hard to just play my BA as red SM until we get a new 'dex.

Words, right out of my mouth.

Fortunatly SMMSjosh the BA have more flexability then a xenos army. New BA codex? The are BA. New SM codex? Now they are red sm. simple

 BryllCream wrote:
There is nothing in that post that I do not like.

Agreed. Even though I REALLY REALLY wanted a mega-dreadknight.

Haha that's true, thanks guys.

Liking the black centurions.

The problem this codex will have is the same as the DA and to a lesser extent the CSM dex. They are still expensive guys in 3+ armor who will die in droves to the most popular lists.

Eldar
CSM Hell Turkey Spam
Flying Circus Daemons
Riptide heavy Tau

Those lists shred MEQ armies, it's almost like the design studio designed the codices to be good at MEQ killing as a base line , and so a dex with the basic Marine as it's main component will be hard pressed to win this edition. I can't see how they will get around that problem with this codex.

Not that I won't be playing it! My Heresy Era Salamanders are already getting built and primed for this release.

Im really loving the love for those BT ceturions, I am guessing thats the battle report, cant wait to see this one.

That sternguard with the heavy flamer is a beast.

You know, the centurions have grown on me a tad, especially with the black colour scheme. Mind you, if I was to ever take them, I probably would alter the egreeeeeeeeegious codpieces to look a tad more dignified. Mmm, quite.

The reason everyone prefers the black Centurions is because you can't see them properly!

 azreal13 wrote:
The reason everyone prefers the black Centurions is because you can't see them properly!

Is that a comment on the quality of the photo or peoples taste being blinded by their favorite color scheme?

People should stop saying black colour scheme, they should really say Black Templar colour scheme, that's why you love them so much.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
People should stop saying black colour scheme, they should really say Black Templar colour scheme, that's why you love them so much.

That's because you throw the Black Templars color scheme on, and all of a sudden those centurions are unstoppable killing machines on a grand crusade throughout all of space. That is how you purge the alien.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
The problem this codex will have is the same as the DA and to a lesser extent the CSM dex. They are still expensive guys in 3+ armor who will die in droves to the most popular lists.

Eldar
CSM Hell Turkey Spam
Flying Circus Daemons
Riptide heavy Tau

Those lists shred MEQ armies, it's almost like the design studio designed the codices to be good at MEQ killing as a base line , and so a dex with the basic Marine as it's main component will be hard pressed to win this edition. I can't see how they will get around that problem with this codex.

Not that I won't be playing it! My Heresy Era Salamanders are already getting built and primed for this release.

Can't agree more. Marine survivability has gone out the window.....

I play Eldar frequently, and the amount of High STR AP2 firepower they bring, on top of the ignores cover Serpent Shields, my beakies are dying in droves.

Here's to hoping for point reductions

Anyone know the fluff behind these grav weapons? They have different stats and appearance to graviton guns so I'm guessing they're different?

I just bought myself Vulkan if those big power suits are for real xD omg what a time to jump back into some space marines, do want!

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
The problem this codex will have is the same as the DA and to a lesser extent the CSM dex. They are still expensive guys in 3+ armor who will die in droves to the most popular lists.

Eldar
CSM Hell Turkey Spam
Flying Circus Daemons
Riptide heavy Tau

Those lists shred MEQ armies, it's almost like the design studio designed the codices to be good at MEQ killing as a base line , and so a dex with the basic Marine as it's main component will be hard pressed to win this edition. I can't see how they will get around that problem with this codex.

Not that I won't be playing it! My Heresy Era Salamanders are already getting built and primed for this release.

I'm not sure I agree. Marines already deal with most air units pretty well thanks to Stormtalons, and it looks like they will get even more anti-air options. I haven't found Heldrakes to be that effective in the games where I have played against them-- while it's certainly possible that the Chaos player will just roll like crazy on their saves to stay alive, it isn't particularly likely to actually happen, especially given the potential for Null Zone to mitigate the Heldrake's Invulnerable save. I'm actually worried that the opposite will happen and that Codex: Space Marines will be a death knell for flyers.

While Null Zone is probably going away, I think the fundamentals of Marines are nevertheless quite strong. I mean sure, a Guardian's shuriken catapult can ignore your save on a lucky roll-- but your bolter ignores the Guardian's save all the time, has longer range, and wounds on 3+ instead of 4+. If I could swap my bolters for shuriken catapults at no cost, I wouldn't for most units. Similarly, Riptides are certainly a powerful unit-- but they are expensive and vulnerable to plasma, which Marine armies can bring in droves. I'm confident that Marines will be just fine in the new edition.

All in all, I honestly think the current Codex: Space Marines is one of the best-written and most flexible books out there and that Marines don't even really need an update for 6th edition. But we'll see what happens, I suppose.

 Nut's Chiropractor wrote:
Anyone know the fluff behind these grav weapons? They have different stats and appearance to graviton guns so I'm guessing they're different?

I hope they are different, as it doesn't fit the background. I like the idea of technology being lost and not really advancing. Also, the fluff indicates that Graviton weapons were very rare. I am okay with the concept of Centurions (just not the models) as they look like they could have designed a long time ago.

Sorry if this has already answered, is it known if Black templars have been rolled into the space marine book? I only think this because of the black templar cover for the marine book.

Sorry folks but those are still, Chubbyteletubbytemplars!!!!

Just curious. What is the "null zone" you're referring to in regards to the Heldrake?

Null Zone is an SM psychic power that causes enemies to reroll successful invul saves within a certain range, IIRC.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Null Zone is an SM psychic power that causes enemies to reroll successful invul saves within a certain range, IIRC.

Ahhh, right. Had a brain fart lol.