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Backfire wrote:


I wonder how much, if anything, it has to do with old Inquisition. Isn't that some sort of quasi-RPG?

Yes, it was very story driven, and GW's product direction would suggest the new one will share nothing with it but a name.

However, Blanche's piece in white dwarf has essentially been a promotion tool for 28mm inquisitor bands since at least the WD relaunch and probably before it, so perhaps it signifies a change in direction.

I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.

NoggintheNog wrote:

Backfire wrote:


I wonder how much, if anything, it has to do with old Inquisition. Isn't that some sort of quasi-RPG?

Yes, it was very story driven, and GW's product direction would suggest the new one will share nothing with it but a name.

However, Blanche's piece in white dwarf has essentially been a promotion tool for 28mm inquisitor bands since at least the WD relaunch and probably before it, so perhaps it signifies a change in direction.

I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.

Ehh, GW is always talking about 'Forging a Narrative'.

NoggintheNog wrote:

I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.

Yes! A Hero Quest box bought from a supermarket was my first GW game and how I learned that the company existed.

Actually kinda wishing that GW gave a bit more support to Specialist Games, probably added Combat Patrol to them as a skirmish game.

I'll probably look at the rules when it comes out, though tbh I'll probably buy and use non-GW models for it.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Correct. Then they released the proven perfect introductory box for 40k, made no advertising at all (not even on Game Day germany a day before release), then made it limited (so that the following two Codices of Blood Angels and tyranids couldn't profit from the new fantastic models) and produced stock for 2 days. Yes, that was Space Hulk. Dumb strategy as hell, but celebrated as a huge success internally.

Did they learn? Well, look at their idea of drawing everyone into the Hobbit game.

GW's decisions are baffling. When stuff sells out quickly, they seem to think it's a success instead of thinking "Maybe we should make more." Space Hulk at Target/Toys R Us would have been huge. It's a great game with great models.

I hope the Inquisition game is real and I hope it's not a limited run, imperial/chaos only. If it's either of those things, then I probably won't play.

 Red Viper wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Correct. Then they released the proven perfect introductory box for 40k, made no advertising at all (not even on Game Day germany a day before release), then made it limited (so that the following two Codices of Blood Angels and tyranids couldn't profit from the new fantastic models) and produced stock for 2 days. Yes, that was Space Hulk. Dumb strategy as hell, but celebrated as a huge success internally.

Did they learn? Well, look at their idea of drawing everyone into the Hobbit game.

GW's decisions are baffling. When stuff sells out quickly, they seem to think it's a success instead of thinking "Maybe we should make more." Space Hulk at Target/Toys R Us would have been huge. It's a great game with great models.

If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...

I would say that is a success.

 Kanluwen wrote:

If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...

I would say that is a success.

It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.

1.) The price for the Space Hulk box was okay (70€, Hobbit is 100€) and still suitable for an introductory game for 40k.
2.) If you could sell triple the number of boxes (or 10x with a broader distribution), selling out in 2 days is not good enough.
3.) If you have the sculpts and plastic moulds for new fantastic BA Terminators and Tyranid genestealers, and BA and tyranids are next and no other BA Terminator and genestealer models in sight, not using the expensive moulds is just dumb.

I can't believe it's not Dark Future!

This could get me back into gaming. I'll have to see if the local shops are running any introductory games or not.

Sign me up for 2 boxes of this on pre-release day.

 IceRapture wrote:
I'm definitely interested.

Now I just need to pray for a Ravenor model.
Please please please please......

This one is for you
I bring you Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn and Cherubael


They are a nice selection, but slightly off topic, and causing a fair load on the page, so I've put them in spoiler tags. Cheers - MDS

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...

I would say that is a success.

It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.

It still requires machine time though, and time you spend doing SH is time spent not prepping for a codex/army book release for your core products. There are also shelf space concerns, warehousing, and many other marketing considerations.

I also happen to think they didn't underestimate the demand by much. Stores around here had copies months after the release.

I can't get excited because GW will find some way to spoil it. Everyone is hoping that it'll be an ongoing thing. But that doesn't fit with their approach of recent years which is to avoid games that distract from their big sellers, 40k and fantasy. They don't want people buying a game that only needs a dozen figures.

Their first way to screw it up is to make it in limited supply and not giving it support. Even if you can get a copy for a sensible price that hasn't been bought up by eBay scalpers you won't find a community of many other players who also own it.

Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a new Necromunda. But if they do want to sell a skirmish game then they'll probably make up for lower figure sales by putting Hobbitesque prices on them making it totally unpalatable.

All of which is a shame because I find the Inquisition and darker side of the Imperium the most appealing thing in 40k by a long way and would love a range of figures. But I predict poor support and availability and absurd prices will ruin it.

If i get lucky enough to get a box, ill probly have an even harder time getting people to play it.

 gorgon wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...

I would say that is a success.

It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.

It still requires machine time though, and time you spend doing SH is time spent not prepping for a codex/army book release for your core products. There are also shelf space concerns, warehousing, and many other marketing considerations.

I also happen to think they didn't underestimate the demand by much. Stores around here had copies months after the release.

Then whoever was running those stores needs their Businessman Organ checked by a doctor, because those things became atrociously expensive on ebay -very- quickly.

IF they want it to be an opening into 40k, they need to back the thing. If they want to do it in limited runs then fine - re-stock twice a year or so maybe a waiting list, but not a finite number as so many already GW fans will buy it for the collecting notion that there won't be many for newbies into the hobby.

I totally want this, but I'm not going to be able to afford it for months due to other expensive purchases, and it will make me sick to have to pay over RRP to get one off ebay.

Well, I will keep an open mind about this although I would've loved it to be Bloodbowl! (And been much more likely to purchase it)

Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one? Like. What is their track record on this sort of stuff?

I'm currently having cautious optimism about this rumor.

 Lockark wrote:
Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one? Like. What is their track record on this sort of stuff?

I'm currently having cautious optimism about this rumor.

Tastytaste is pretty damn accurate: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/448304.page

118 true, 15 false.

He's certainly not just making stuff up.

 Lockark wrote:
Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one?

The update is new, the old rumour is old. Thought that was clear enough.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
IF they want it to be an opening into 40k, they need to back the thing. If they want to do it in limited runs then fine - re-stock twice a year or so maybe a waiting list, but not a finite number as so many already GW fans will buy it for the collecting notion that there won't be many for newbies into the hobby.

I totally want this, but I'm not going to be able to afford it for months due to other expensive purchases, and it will make me sick to have to pay over RRP to get one off ebay.

why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...

i actually hope it's a limited release, just like Space Hulk...
collecting LE's is my favorite part of this hobby...
i'm a collector, not a gamer...

to each their own...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...

And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.

God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...

And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.

God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...

I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Then whoever was running those stores needs their Businessman Organ checked by a doctor, because those things became atrociously expensive on ebay -very- quickly.

In North America it was pretty easy to get a copy of Space Hulk in a local store months after the release. It only sold out in 2 days in the UK/Europe, and eBay prices went crazy there, but not here (and due to the size/weight of the box it wasn't worth shipping copies across the Atlantic).

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I can't get excited because GW will find some way to spoil it. Everyone is hoping that it'll be an ongoing thing. But that doesn't fit with their approach of recent years which is to avoid games that distract from their big sellers, 40k and fantasy. They don't want people buying a game that only needs a dozen figures.

Their first way to screw it up is to make it in limited supply and not giving it support. Even if you can get a copy for a sensible price that hasn't been bought up by eBay scalpers you won't find a community of many other players who also own it.

Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a new Necromunda. But if they do want to sell a skirmish game then they'll probably make up for lower figure sales by putting Hobbitesque prices on them making it totally unpalatable.

All of which is a shame because I find the Inquisition and darker side of the Imperium the most appealing thing in 40k by a long way and would love a range of figures. But I predict poor support and availability and absurd prices will ruin it.

If they do it right it doesn't have to distract from their big sellers, but draw you into them. If theoretically you could play any faction as a skirmish force, and you buy a box of, say, Dark Eldar and a blister or two for characters, then you get into the background and buy the codex. Then you're a few purchases away from a new army. That said, if it is just Inquisition and Chaos/Mutants/whatever it may not be as accessible as a entry game.

That being said, it will be a success for the simple fact that it is 28mm 40k models. Dreadfleet, and by extension, a hypothetical Bloodbowl have no crossover potential, and therefore have a much lower appeal. Hopefully they learn from Space Hulk and the success of Dark Vengeance and do not make this a limited edition thing. It kills player support when everyone is hoarding copies for some future date to sell at inflated prices. Had people actually played Space Hulk instead of keeping them in plastic and asking triple on ebay it may at least have a core following who keep it alive like people did with other Specialist Games.

If it does end up being a limited set, I'm still getting it without hesitation. I've sold off my 40k armies for the most part, but I still enjoy modeling 40k models and would still break open a box set/ skirmish scale now and again to use them. If it has character development similar to Necromunda, I would be ecstatic.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...

And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.

God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...

I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.

yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...

i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...

i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:


yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...

i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...

i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...

cheers
jah

Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:


yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...

i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...

i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...

cheers
jah

Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.

Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.

Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.

You realize he's saying he enjoys collecting AND painting the LE stuff right?
He's not saying his enjoyment of the wargaming hobby comes from schadenfreude, he's a collector and a painter which is a completely legitimate division of the hobby.

 jah-joshua wrote:

yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...

Please read the comments before letting loose the hate.

i actually sell everything i paint, so i'm not depriving anyone of anything...
not one single purchase is still in shrink wrap...

i'm just expressing why i like the hobby...
i am looking forward to this game for the minis...
instead of playing, i paint...
simple...

@Brother SRM: sorry my typing annoys you...
it's just my brain on autopilot, and the fastest way for me to type...
i do format my painting guides and business emails correctly...

cheers
jah