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Dreadfleet also was a wash since it was a single overpriced boardgame for over a hundred bucks in a field where an expensive item is about $60-80. It didn't have the help of nostalgia for Space Hulk and the buying frenzy fear from the "buy this right now on release or you'll never get it!!" lie when people saw boxes of Space Hulk in stores months afterwards and knew better. It was also max two players which limits groups from investing in it. This game sounds pretty awesome so I'm actually excited for a GW product and it's been a long time since that happened.

Also Blanche is great. I understand his art isn't for everyone but the people that REALLY don't like any of his work (those that start whining whenever he is even mentioned) make me feel like they want bland generic stuff. His style really makes the gothic horror of the 40k future Imperium stand out and once you take that out the result feels a lot more sterile.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...

And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.

God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...

I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.

yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...

i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...

i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...

cheers
jah

It's a bit hard to explain to University that I have to shift back the paying of my tuition fees as I *must have* the brand new shiny box of toys from GW that can't wait as it's limited edition as I may miss out.

Not everyone spends all their money on GW bro... I am not buying anything of the new space marines....


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Like I said before anyway, don't make it limited edition, get a finite amount produced at first and start a pre-order for the next batch 6 months down the line if they need too, i can wait 6 months, even if I miss out on some cool special edition model in it. I want the rule book mainly, NOT the models, I'll make my own warband.

the way you phrased "expensive purchase" in your original post threw me off...
Uni tuition is something people usually refer to as a bill, or a fee, but an expensive purchase brings to mind a car, big screen t.v., or a new 40k army...
pardon me for thinking you were purchasing a product...

cheers
jah

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Ixquic wrote:
Dreadfleet also was a wash since it was a single overpriced boardgame for over a hundred bucks in a field where an expensive item is about $60-80.

Well that just isn't true. Pretty standard now for a big boardgame including miniatures to be $100.

Super Dungeon, Zombiecide, Incursion, etc.

Mage Knight has like, 5 small minis and is $80 bucks.

Just saying $100 isnt overpriced for a game with nice minis these days.

 Crimson wrote:
I didn't mean to dismiss other artists, creating 40K imagery certainly was a group effort, but Blanche was the main force behind the weird gothic look of the Imperium. (Jes Goodwin is similarly the guy who is mainly responsible of the Eldar aesthetics.)

If anyone should get credit for generating the weird gothic 40K aesthetic it is Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill, the creators of the comic 'Nemesis the Warlock' in 2000 AD. Yes I know Blanche and others ported it to 40K but to anyone that has read the series, its pretty obvious.

Contorted, gothic, angular, freaky imagery (40K Mechanicus adepts are virtual copies of Emperor Torquemada's many servants in the comic)
Undying Emperor of Terra relying on an arcane apparatus
Oppressed far future xenophobic humans vs. aliens
Hive worlds
Inquisition
Terminators shouting 'Cleanse and Purify' and every other thing marines say when killing xenos
Gigantic humanoid weaponized walkers (Titans)

That's off the top of my head, there's more upon more. It's amazing.
The Redeemer comic was pretty much 'Nemesis the Warlock' in style and feel, although not as raw nor as innovative.

Early 40K= 40% WHFB, 30% Nemesis the Warlock, 10% Judge Dredd, 10% Dune, 5% Star Wars and 5% good old fashioned heavy metal.


Back on topic, at least a little bit, has there been anything at all that suggests this rumored release is Blanche related? Other than the possibly irelevant fact he did most of the concepts for Inquisitor 54mm?

@Dr. Mathius: the only clue seems to be that the Blanchitsu articles in the mag have been Inq. 28 related this year...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Dr. Mathius: the only clue seems to be that the Blanchitsu articles in the mag have been Inq. 28 related this year...

cheers
jah

Aha, thanks, I haven't looked at WD for a few months. That's pretty interesting.

I wouldn't read into those much at all. Blanchitsu is just him showing off cool minis that echo his artwork really closely. Apparently he plays Inq28 plenty, but I don't think that column has secretly been advertising this game a year in advance.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The bickering about limited editions is rather off topic.

It certainly is, isn't it?

I hope we don't have too much for of that, especially after you posted that not so explicit warning about it...

Anyway, if this really is a Sept/Oct. release, we should start to hear a lot more about it soon.

I hope.

I plan on being 100% optimistic about this one - I will continue to hope for the best because if done right and supported, it would be just what GW and its 40K setting need about now...

 Alpharius wrote:

I plan on being 100% optimistic about this one - I will continue to hope for the best because if done right and supported, it would be just what GW and its 40K setting need about now...

My mindset as well.

Blood Bowl is already a thing and has good rules for good times. GW's models are dated, but luckily there are a lot of nice looking options out there.

Having some sort of 40k skirmish game could be a lot of fun, I'm just hoping for some Xenos.

But erm...has there been any reliable source for these rumours? I keep hearing about random Spanish blogs and German Games Days...

 Dr Mathias wrote:

If anyone should get credit for generating the weird gothic 40K aesthetic it is Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill, the creators of the comic 'Nemesis the Warlock' in 2000 AD. Yes I know Blanche and others ported it to 40K but to anyone that has read the series, its pretty obvious.

THIS.

God, this. I've been picking up a bunch of 2000 AD's collected works and Nemesis more than anything had to have been a huge influence on what was to come.

O'Neil has always been one of my favorite artists; it's just his art I think was getting way too ahead of itself and the grotesqueness of it can turn a lot of people off (much like Blanche).

It's sad that the only Nemesis figure I have is that lame Heroclix one. I bet I could cobble him together out of spare Tyranid parts...

If we're going to enter this kinda discussion, what about comic artists like Enki Bilal and Juan Giménez?

Just googled "Nemesis the Warlock", and stumbled upon this :



Administratum scribe, anybody ? . Always interesting to see what inspired early GW writers and artists (especially since I'm not familiar with all that stuff, being born in '91 and all. :p)

There's no reason you can't be familiar with Judge Dredd and Dune if you were born after Rogue Trader! I enjoy the hell out of both, and it's fun to see where all the 40k inspiration comes from.

 Crimson wrote:
I didn't mean to dismiss other artists, creating 40K imagery certainly was a group effort, but Blanche was the main force behind the weird gothic look of the Imperium. (Jes Goodwin is similarly the guy who is mainly responsible of the Eldar aesthetics.)

Blanche says "Hey I had an idea so scribbled this stuff and spilled red ink all over it!" Then he hands it to the real artists who can turn the ideas into a marketable product.

Jes Goodwin is responciblefor more than just Eldar...

Dark Eldar, Skaven, High Elves, Sisters of Battle, Space Marines, BFG, Tyranids, Chaos Marines, Bloodthirster, Adeptus Arbites, Titans, Necromunda, Inquisitor.

Jes Goodwin creates the look of the 40k universe. Blanche just like to draw bondage chicks with bionic arms and faces.

I really don't see this one happening, especially with the rumor hitting so close to release. Seems like an awful lot of wishlisting. If it does happen I'm afraid the rules would just be dumbed down scenario's like those that come in the starter sets. Even if the rules are absolute crap, if the minis are anything like the quality and aesthetics of the Dark Vengeance minis I'll be scouring ebay and bits sellers for as many as i can collect.
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Adding to the slightly on topic/off topic discussion of the art:

John Blanche rules, Jess Godwyn rules, and Rick Priestly would be the first to tell you that almost all the foundation for 40k was lovingly borrowed from other franchises.
http://talesfromthemaelstrom.blogspot.com/2011/09/rick-priestley-interview.html

 Brother SRM wrote:
There's no reason you can't be familiar with Judge Dredd and Dune if you were born after Rogue Trader! I enjoy the hell out of both, and it's fun to see where all the 40k inspiration comes from.

Of course you can. I just wasn't exposed to most of those when I was younger (well, I did saw the movie adaptation of Dune. And Judge Dredd. But my memories are fuzzy. ^^), so I'm still catching up.

Sorry for the off-topic, I just wanted to clarify. Back to our hypothetical heretic-burning simulation game !

Blanche has some great artwork, like in the new Daemon dex. I especially like the single Spess Mahreen standing amidst a sea of Pink Horrors.

Erzanj wrote:
Of course you can. I just wasn't exposed to most of those when I was younger (well, I did saw the movie adaptation of Dune. And Judge Dredd. But my memories are fuzzy. ^^)

Probably best to keep those fuzzy. I was never really into Dune but I saw a couple seconds of Judge Dredd the other day and just sighed. Dredd being an improvement seems a vast understatement.

I'm cautiously hopeful for this. For one reason or another, GW's big boxed sets like IOB and DV are of a very high quality, with very nicely designed models at a decent price (for GW at least.) Hopefully this Inq24 box will be the same.

 Malika2 wrote:
If we're going to enter this kinda discussion, what about comic artists like Enki Bilal and Juan Giménez?

Totally off topic, but preaching to the choir dude!

Getting both of their works in English is a PAIN.

I like a lot of Barreiro and Alcatena's work. The general weirdness that permeates Alcatena's artwork always seemed to gel with a Warhammer vibe.

I would be in seventh heaven if we could see the return of Genestealer cults. What a great lead in then to a new Tyranid codex!

Hmm, I have digital version (in English) of Enki Bilal's Nikopol Trilogy and Juan Gimenez/Alejandro Jorodowki's The Metabarons!

But yeah, to get back on topic. Any reliable sources regarding these rumors?

The ancient DNA of the company has begun to stir, re-awakening of the goliath that once be-strode the wargaming world and conquered all before it. The newcomers who have prospered and spread out across the lands look on fearfully as the prone and moss-covered colossus starts to wheeze and then slowly draw in one great inhalation, a shower of moss and masonry falling to the ground and scattering the encampments of younglings who had begun to spring up like mushrooms on its dormant form..

 Alpharius wrote:
This could be awesome...

This SHOULD be awesome...

C'mon GW, don't let us down!

Bloody hell well colour me (very pleasantly) surprised! Let's hope we are left with a (relatively) low price entry point into 40k and a fun game.

 DeffDred wrote:

Jes Goodwin is responciblefor more than just Eldar...
Dark Eldar, Skaven, High Elves, Sisters of Battle, Space Marines, BFG, Tyranids, Chaos Marines, Bloodthirster, Adeptus Arbites, Titans, Necromunda, Inquisitor.
Jes Goodwin creates the look of the 40k universe. Blanche just like to draw bondage chicks with bionic arms and faces.

I've just realised that my copy of The Gothic and The Eldritch is MIA since before my previous move. Got to get into the book boxes in storage and rescue it. Along with most of WD 100-300, my Warzone books, and a bunch of roleplaying books...

But Blanche is also GW's art director if I'm not mistaken. Blanche really created the twisted feel for 40k all the other artists are applying to their 40k art.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.

 Fafnir wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.

We also don't see a lot of his work, since he's still the custodian of the look of 40k and much of it stays at the concept stage for GW. He's responsible for more than just the kind of abstract and daemonic artwork we see in the borders of WD articles.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.

We also don't see a lot of his work, since he's still the custodian of the look of 40k and much of it stays at the concept stage for GW. He's responsible for more than just the kind of abstract and daemonic artwork we see in the borders of WD articles.

Ah yes, but, you see that doesn't count, according to the "Scribble Brigade", because other people then use his work as a base and change it. Essentially, they argue that concept artists the world over are irrelevant to the creative process. Or at least, they would, if they could bring themselves to acknowledge that is the logical outcome of the arguments they use against Blanche, rather than pretending he's a unique and special case in order to justify their personal dislike of his style.

Well back to the subject matter at hand. Ive been told:- less than 20 figures, not much terrain if any , some counters and templates, range rules and 3-4 book type things

told by.....who?