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Warriors can be purchased as sergeant style upgrades for gaunts and gargoyles. They get the biomorphs of the brood and are not attached like wolf guard.
Oh higher entities, if they exist and probably do not care for us, let THIS be true!
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I think most of what we've seen is play-test fodder and a slew of wish-listing. Some of it may turn out to be true, but I remember the Chaos Space Marines rumors going much like this.
With that one, it got to the point where it looked like they were going to have a 250 page codex, and 18 plastic kits released.
The synapse node wariior hq is the only rumor that I find no ground in...I can say that many of these things suit GW policies and fluff well enough...but for this purpose I think its much more likely that primes take up half an hq choice than become a form of higher node...I dont even know how to differentiate correctly.
If we knew what 6th ed shadow of the warp/synapse truly was...we could make immediate sense of nearly every rumor we've seen.
brassangel wrote: I think most of what we've seen is play-test fodder and a slew of wish-listing. Some of it may turn out to be true, but I remember the Chaos Space Marines rumors going much like this.
With that one, it got to the point where it looked like they were going to have a 250 page codex, and 18 plastic kits released.
Well, at least we are still in the probable rumors, nothing to crazy.
MajorWesJanson wrote:Oddly specific for being 3-6 months out.
Maybe because it's 6 weeks out
Or GW has stopped Mat Ward from writing codecies the night before a release...
I rather Matt Ward write books than the sculptors keep producing Mutilators and/or Centurion models. At least I can house rule broken codices, but I can't house rule bad models to make them better.
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Warriors can be purchased as sergeant style upgrades for gaunts and gargoyles. They get the biomorphs of the brood and are not attached like wolf guard.
Oh higher entities, if they exist and probably do not care for us, let THIS be true!
Yeah, then they can be challenged out and power fisted to death!
With boneswords to take down characters with unwieldy weapons before they get a chance to swing, and W3 to outlast the rest, they'd be very formidable in challenges. ICs with inv saves would be different, but the boneswords would still make them quite dangerous. I think you're very wrong on that point.
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gorgon wrote: With boneswords to take down characters with unwieldy weapons before they get a chance to swing, and W3 to outlast the rest, they'd be very formidable in challenges. ICs with inv saves would be different, but the boneswords would still make them quite dangerous. I think you're very wrong on that point.
Pretty sure you can trust the bonesword to become AP3 with an instant death rule still attached...maybe even force.
GW has turned most swords into AP3 weaponry...look at bloodletters.
Boneswords will then automatically be wielded at AP2 on MCs.
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gorgon wrote: With boneswords to take down characters with unwieldy weapons before they get a chance to swing, and W3 to outlast the rest, they'd be very formidable in challenges. ICs with inv saves would be different, but the boneswords would still make them quite dangerous. I think you're very wrong on that point.
I took "It has the biomorphs of the brood" to mean it has the same weaponry. If we can still customize the warriors that gives me a little hope. Just a little, mind you.
gorgon wrote: With boneswords to take down characters with unwieldy weapons before they get a chance to swing, and W3 to outlast the rest, they'd be very formidable in challenges. ICs with inv saves would be different, but the boneswords would still make them quite dangerous. I think you're very wrong on that point.
I took "It has the biomorphs of the brood" to mean it has the same weaponry. If we can still customize the warriors that gives me a little hope. Just a little, mind you.
I took this to mean...it gains the affects of the brood biomorphs....as with the current ruleset A Tyranid Prime gains adrenal glands and toxin sacs if within a termagant that is within 6" of a Tervigon that has them.
brassangel wrote: Faeit puts it out there because they are rumors. That's what rumors are: speculative information. I could post rumors with 100% accuracy by simply waiting long enough. He's not making predictions, just posting the information he receives from any and all sources.
Every rumor monger posts information they receive because they are rumors. The difference is that people like Harry, Hastings and Tastytaste all have reliable sources that they think about before posting. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way. That makes him more unreliable.
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ausYenLoWang wrote: have to agree with this and by the looks of it 34/70 (48%) and 181/453 (39%) yeah its 9% difference buut who puts them selves out there alot? and who makes the predictions furthest ahead.
39% is horrible considering the average for all rumor mongers (including people like Ghost21 and TheDarkGeneral who just make gak up) is around 45-50%. Good rumor mongers like Tasty, Harry and Hastings are in the 80-90% range.
As for who makes the predictions furthest ahead and accurately? Try hastings from warseer. He predicts out a year or so in advance and has something like a 90% reliability. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way to get hits.
edit: and i know people are gonna say throw enough at the wall..... etc, but really 39% isnt too bad, as much as we would like 100% accuracy but on that number of rumors over how long. if it was he would need to be kirby himself haha
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) 75hastings69 - Total rumors: (60 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Harry from Warseer - Total rumors: (32 TRUE) / (4 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Best Pone - Total rumors: (23 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
There you go, folks who have reliable info and share it with us after filtering, rather than just making crap up or posting everything that they see.
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special rules:
leap, they just keep coming,synaptic back lash (tyranid warrior only) synapse creature (tyranid warrior only)
leap: may charge +6'' extra & do not lose initiative while charging through difficult terrain
they just keep coming: enemies firing at models with this rule suffer -1 bs. models with BS 1 must re-roll any successful hits on a model with this target.
synaptic back lash: after a model with this rules dies then all friendly units within 6'' of the models death suffer a single strength 3 AP - hit.
Old one eye to have his toughness increased
tyranid warriors
may add an additional 3 models
WS T SV 5 5 4+
Equipment:
piercing talons, leap, synaptic back lash,
special rules: will of the hive mind
upgrades:
toxic sacks: (read above)
adrenal glands: (read above)
range biomorph exoskeleton: (+1 bs)
increased exoskeleton: (+1 sv)
barbed strangler: (remains the same)
venom rifles: (tyranid rifles with poison) 18'' range (under re-testing)
will of the hive mind: while the squad remains with the full 3 models then the synapse range increases to 12''
carnifex:
may add an additional 2 models
T W
6 5
Equipment:
scything talons, piercing talons
special rules: rampant rage, living battering ram, natural disaster
upgrades:
Toxic sacks:
range biomorph exoskeleton:
armoured shell: (2+ save)_
crushing claws: (+d3 attacks & +1 to range AP)
reinforced plating: (reduced strength of weapon being fired at you by 1)
heavy venom cannon: (strength 9 AP 2 heavy 2)
barbed strangler: (strength 5 AP 5 large blast, pinning)
twin linked devourers: (strength 4 AP 6 assault 4)
rampant range: when charging units the carnifex gains rage & furious charge)
Living battering ram: the carnifex deals d3 hammer of wrath hits
natural disaster: if the carnifex forgoes its turn in a piece of terrain (ruins ect) it can destroy that terrain and remove it from play
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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
MajorWesJanson wrote:Oddly specific for being 3-6 months out.
Maybe because it's 6 weeks out
Or GW has stopped Mat Ward from writing codecies the night before a release...
I rather Matt Ward write books than the sculptors keep producing Mutilators and/or Centurion models. At least I can house rule broken codices, but I can't house rule bad models to make them better.
The Centurion models are fine, now that we've had better looks at them. I know I'll get a bunch of them, and I don't even have a Marine army. Conversion possibilities; which also clears up how you "house rule" bad models.
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brassangel wrote: Faeit puts it out there because they are rumors. That's what rumors are: speculative information. I could post rumors with 100% accuracy by simply waiting long enough. He's not making predictions, just posting the information he receives from any and all sources.
Every rumor monger posts information they receive because they are rumors. The difference is that people like Harry, Hastings and Tastytaste all have reliable sources that they think about before posting. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way. That makes him more unreliable.
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ausYenLoWang wrote: have to agree with this and by the looks of it 34/70 (48%) and 181/453 (39%) yeah its 9% difference buut who puts them selves out there alot? and who makes the predictions furthest ahead.
39% is horrible considering the average for all rumor mongers (including people like Ghost21 and TheDarkGeneral who just make gak up) is around 45-50%. Good rumor mongers like Tasty, Harry and Hastings are in the 80-90% range.
As for who makes the predictions furthest ahead and accurately? Try hastings from warseer. He predicts out a year or so in advance and has something like a 90% reliability. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way to get hits.
edit: and i know people are gonna say throw enough at the wall..... etc, but really 39% isnt too bad, as much as we would like 100% accuracy but on that number of rumors over how long. if it was he would need to be kirby himself haha
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
75hastings69 - Total rumors: (60 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Harry from Warseer - Total rumors: (32 TRUE) / (4 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Best Pone - Total rumors: (23 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
There you go, folks who have reliable info and share it with us after filtering, rather than just making crap up or posting everything that they see.
When I received rumors from a source about the Imperial Valkyrie/Vendetta kit 9 months before the IG codex was even rumored, and I posted it on Warseer, Harry and Hastings both said I was wrong. When I received information about Plaguebearers and Horrors coming in plastic 13 months before they were dropped in a wave, both again told me I was wrong. Then they dedicated several posts at the end of a rumor thread to saying, "Sometimes we have to put people in their place who think they have information," and, "When someone's wrong, but argue ceaselessly that they are right, it makes for an awkward exchange and isn't fun."
Then my information turned out to be correct (I no longer have this source, sadly), but I received no credit for the rumor, and neither Harry nor Hastings would acknowledge their mistake. One of their lackey supporters on the forums even said that "anyone could have made those predictions." I like the service they provide and all, but they are nowhere near as accurate as some make them out to be. In fact, both claim that they don't even have much interest in GW products anymore. One or both of them will simply list a release order for the next 12 months, modify it during the entirety of that 12 months, and then people take the final list at the end as the original.
They do offer good information, and often filter it before it hits the streets. They usually aren't offering many rumors, so much as filtered predictions based on the rumors they've received.
Natfka never claims to be accurate, never says he's certain the information he's got is good; he just posts what he gets, puts a disclaimer in place with said information, and let's the people do their own filtering. It's a different style of rumor-mongering, that's all. He certainly gives people something to chew on. Does he try to get hits? Of course, because he runs a website; that's his job; but again, he never claims it to be true, super-duper accurate, or anything less than rumors.
Rumors are rumors no matter how they turn out in the end. Harry and Hastings are offering predictions based on filtered rumors. Natfka is just offering rumors.
Well now, that playtest does sound promising. T5 for warriors is a big step in the right direction. Still can be insta-killed by S10 and Force Weapons, but I'm fine with that. Power Fists and Krak Missiles are far, far more common.
A lot of that sounds wishlisty to me. -1 BS when shooting at gaunts? Why? Reducing strength of weapons shot at 'fexes? Not too likely. Also don't really see the destroying terrain one coming to bear, more likely would probably be the previous rumor that if they wreck a transport or building they have a chance of getting in combat with the guys inside.
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-1 BS works as a more 40k-friendly version of the "Bodies over Bullets" Apocalypse formation that made anyone that shot at gaunts potentially run out of bullets for the turn if they rolled too many doubles.
What strikes me as odd is the BS1 that has to reroll hits. How many units in 40k have BS1 (BS2 minus 1 for the rule) besides Orks? Of all the races, Orks would be the least likely to be demoralized from an abundance of things to fight.
What strikes me as odd is the BS1 that has to reroll hits. How many units in 40k have BS1 (BS2 minus 1 for the rule) besides Orks? Of all the races, Orks would be the least likely to be demoralized from an abundance of things to fight.
Snap Shots are BS1 so it would essentially eliminate overwatch; 1/36 chance to hit.
brassangel wrote: When I received rumors from a source about the Imperial Valkyrie/Vendetta kit 9 months before the IG codex was even rumored, and I posted it on Warseer, Harry and Hastings both said I was wrong. When I received information about Plaguebearers and Horrors coming in plastic 13 months before they were dropped in a wave, both again told me I was wrong.
Send me a link and I'll add you to the tracker.
I like the service they provide and all, but they are nowhere near as accurate as some make them out to be. In fact, both claim that they don't even have much interest in GW products anymore. One or both of them will simply list a release order for the next 12 months, modify it during the entirety of that 12 months, and then people take the final list at the end as the original.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, they are tracked now, so they can't just change their predictions.
Rumors are rumors no matter how they turn out in the end. Harry and Hastings are offering predictions based on filtered rumors. Natfka is just offering rumors.
And that makes one much more accurate than the other. People should know that when they read something from Natfka, it probably won't come true. That's all tracking does is lets us know who is reliable and who isn't.
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brassangel wrote: Faeit puts it out there because they are rumors. That's what rumors are: speculative information. I could post rumors with 100% accuracy by simply waiting long enough. He's not making predictions, just posting the information he receives from any and all sources.
Every rumor monger posts information they receive because they are rumors. The difference is that people like Harry, Hastings and Tastytaste all have reliable sources that they think about before posting. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way. That makes him more unreliable.
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ausYenLoWang wrote: have to agree with this and by the looks of it 34/70 (48%) and 181/453 (39%) yeah its 9% difference buut who puts them selves out there alot? and who makes the predictions furthest ahead.
39% is horrible considering the average for all rumor mongers (including people like Ghost21 and TheDarkGeneral who just make gak up) is around 45-50%. Good rumor mongers like Tasty, Harry and Hastings are in the 80-90% range.
As for who makes the predictions furthest ahead and accurately? Try hastings from warseer. He predicts out a year or so in advance and has something like a 90% reliability. Natfka just posts whatever comes his way to get hits.
edit: and i know people are gonna say throw enough at the wall..... etc, but really 39% isnt too bad, as much as we would like 100% accuracy but on that number of rumors over how long. if it was he would need to be kirby himself haha
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
75hastings69 - Total rumors: (60 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Harry from Warseer - Total rumors: (32 TRUE) / (4 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Best Pone - Total rumors: (23 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
There you go, folks who have reliable info and share it with us after filtering, rather than just making crap up or posting everything that they see.
I went back and read the rumors archive, and it really made me sad to realize how almost all the specific rumors that get posted, by anyone, are just not true.
Harry, Hastings, and Tasty do tend to be more accurate than others, but if you go back and look at their rumors, they're also far more likely to be very vague (to the point of useless). I also seem to recall that Hastings said he was basically out of rumor information, and hadn't bothered to keep up with any GW rumors for some time now.
It seems that the general rule of thumb nowadays is that the more specific a rumor is, the more likely it is to be false, based on past experience. Unless you run in to a situation like 40k radio with a (supposedly) early copy of the codex, I'm going to go ahead and call the majority of all the Tyranid rumors out there BS for right now.
That last bunch sounds especially questionable to me. If nothing else, it's obviously incomplete. For one thing (among many), Deathspitters aren't going away as a Warrior option.
MadmanMSU wrote: Harry, Hastings, and Tasty do tend to be more accurate than others, but if you go back and look at their rumors, they're also far more likely to be very vague (to the point of useless).
This is vague to the point of useless?
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Hastings Release Schedule WD 393 starter TRUE WD 394 CSMTRUE WD 395 WoCTRUE WD 396 Hobbit TRUE DA are the last available for pre-orders in 2012 TRUE After that... CD/DoCDUPLICATE Tau TRUE HE DUPLICATE Eldar DUPLICATE LM DUPLICATE
Release Discussion Thread Assumed to be Preorder Dates CSM by Jan/Feb 2013 TRUE WoC by Jan/Feb 2013 TRUE DoC by Jan/Feb 2013 TRUE Chaos Daemons by Jan/Feb 2013 TRUE Chaos SM Sept 2012 FALSE
WOC Models next Year - Oct 2011 plastic chariot/warshrine, TRUE plastic forsaken, TRUE plastic Dragon Ogres, TRUE Plastic Lord Kit TRUE Finecast Characters TOO VAGUE
Harry WOC Rumors - Oct 2012 First wave without the book. (WD update) TRUE First wave (as predicted) November. TRUE Next wave February/March. TRUE Warshrine TRUE Skull crushers TRUE Hellstriders. TRUE 2 Finecast characters TRUE One new one and one old favorite. TRUE
Daemons Rumors - July 2012 Plastic Screamers PARTIALLY TRUE Plastic Flamers TRUE Nurglings in Plastic TRUE Plastic Plague Bearers TRUE Flying Chariot TRUE Seekers Chariot of Slaanesh: Chariot kit has two builds. One has four daemonettes and a herald called an exalted with a big whip. The other build has the exalted on her own but the chariot is dragging spiked / bladed rollers behind it. TRUE Soul grinders comes on the same base as the Arachnarok spider. Shooting attacks. One attack works like grape shot but can be upgraded. Another works like a stone thrower. TRUE Blue Scribes gets a mini. More Dais than disc. TRUE
Tasty CSM Rumors - Some vehicles can be marked FALSE - Princes do not make cults troops, but sorcerors do PARTIALLY TRUE - Terminators can pick sword or axe (power) PARTIALLY TRUE - havoc weapons almost as cheap as LFFALSE - Daemon USR A good number of units in the CSM codex have this USR. Raptors, Oblits, CC Oblit, Defilers, Demon Engines, Dragons, Possessed, Demon Prince TRUE - It Will Not Die USR - Wonder who was getting this new USR well you guessed it CSM is. Dragons, Defilers, Demon Engines TRUE - Demon Possessed– Demon possessed just got a whole bunch cuter really. Instead of not being able to embark in demon possessed vehicles they now will only eat one of your guys and repair itself. Otherwise works the same way as before lose BS and ignore shaken and stunned, In addition some things get wargear automatically. Dragons, Defliers, Demon Engines TRUE - All CSM characters must always accept challenges TRUE - Marks and Icons are both purchasable by most units. That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two. This is a list of the USRs and stat bonus possible. Fearless , FnP, +1 T, +1 Invul Save, Rage, Soul Blaze, Furious Charge, Fear, +1 I PARTIALLY TRUE - Almost all CSM units get Hatred Space Marines. PARTIALLY TRUE - Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods. PARTIALLY TRUE - Dragon - This is a CSM answer to other flyers it is designed almost exclusively to hunt and destroy other flyers. Clocking in about the same points cost of Carnifex these little hell on wings Vector Strike and bring pain to a lot of things. Did I mention it gets to re-roll wounds and armor pens. TRUE - Daemon Engine - These guys sit on the large bases like Trygons. They have an assortment of special weapons that have never been seen before. They are designed for Building and Heavy armor destruction with Melta CC weapons and bonuses against buildings. They as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pens. TRUE - Defilers as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pen. TRUE - Cults - You can also get a generic Lord and buy the correct mark and unlock them as troops as well. TRUE - Zerkers: Rage, Cheaper TRUE - 1k Sons: Soul Fire, Same cost (just like before but with Soulfire) TRUE - Emperor Children: Weapons Ignore cover and now have Salvo USR, Cheaper TRUE - Plague Marines: Poison Weapons, More Expensive TRUE - Typhus is now a mastery level 2 sorcerer of Nurgle.TRUE - In addition as reported earlier he can make any cultist a zombie. TRUE - Zombies are going to be disgusting in 6th edition. FnP, Fearless, Fear, and all for no additional cost. As for Cultists they are cheap not conscript cheap, but close. You can get over 30 of them in a squad TRUE - Princes got more expensive wargear bringing them in line with the Demon Codex. TRUE - Sorcerers are pretty much the same with the ability to buy up to Master level 3, but they only ever have 2 wounds. TRUE - Chaos Lords are where it seems to be at, Phil Kelly wants you to design a Lord tailored to your army, their list of wargear options is easily the largest of any model in the book. Also remember they allow you to make Cult Units troops. TRUE
6th Ed - May 2012 Cross between 8th and 2nd, TRUE Imperium Fracturing, Protect the Tau, FALSE 6+ Psychic Save, TRUE Random Charges, TRUE Premeasuring, TRUE Purchase Buildings, TRUE Choose Powers during Depl,TRUE Double the Missions, TRUE Allies are Back (with specific ally types) TRUE
Seems pretty specific for me. Do they have vague entries and speculation occasionally? Sure. Are they also spot on months in advance for other things? Yep.
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edit: and i know people are gonna say throw enough at the wall..... etc, but really 39% isnt too bad, as much as we would like 100% accuracy but on that number of rumors over how long. if it was he would need to be kirby himself haha
Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
75hastings69 - Total rumors: (60 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Harry from Warseer - Total rumors: (32 TRUE) / (4 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Best Pone - Total rumors: (23 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
There you go, folks who have reliable info and share it with us after filtering, rather than just making crap up or posting everything that they see.
Thanks for actually posting stats on the rumors. I was wondering when someone would do that. I always look back and notice no one cares when a rumor is hella wrong
special rules:
leap, they just keep coming,synaptic back lash (tyranid warrior only) synapse creature (tyranid warrior only)
leap: may charge +6'' extra & do not lose initiative while charging through difficult terrain
they just keep coming: enemies firing at models with this rule suffer -1 bs. models with BS 1 must re-roll any successful hits on a model with this target.
synaptic back lash: after a model with this rules dies then all friendly units within 6'' of the models death suffer a single strength 3 AP - hit.
Old one eye to have his toughness increased
tyranid warriors
may add an additional 3 models
WS T SV 5 5 4+
Equipment:
piercing talons, leap, synaptic back lash,
special rules: will of the hive mind
upgrades:
toxic sacks: (read above)
adrenal glands: (read above)
range biomorph exoskeleton: (+1 bs)
increased exoskeleton: (+1 sv)
barbed strangler: (remains the same)
venom rifles: (tyranid rifles with poison) 18'' range (under re-testing)
will of the hive mind: while the squad remains with the full 3 models then the synapse range increases to 12''
carnifex:
may add an additional 2 models
T W
6 5
Equipment:
scything talons, piercing talons
special rules: rampant rage, living battering ram, natural disaster
upgrades:
Toxic sacks:
range biomorph exoskeleton:
armoured shell: (2+ save)_
crushing claws: (+d3 attacks & +1 to range AP)
reinforced plating: (reduced strength of weapon being fired at you by 1)
heavy venom cannon: (strength 9 AP 2 heavy 2)
barbed strangler: (strength 5 AP 5 large blast, pinning)
twin linked devourers: (strength 4 AP 6 assault 4)
rampant range: when charging units the carnifex gains rage & furious charge)
Living battering ram: the carnifex deals d3 hammer of wrath hits
natural disaster: if the carnifex forgoes its turn in a piece of terrain (ruins ect) it can destroy that terrain and remove it from play
This seems like a mixed bag of likely and wishlisty to me.
Hormagaunts:
Leap makes sense for the gaunts, though I'm on the fence on how the warrior sergeant idea is. Good and bad, but an interesting change I suppose. The setup makes them seem like a less intimidating Tervigon that can use the sqd as a meat shield. They Just Keep Coming seems almost too good to be true. By the by, are adrenal glands staying the same, or did I just miss that part?
Warriors:
They needed the T5 increase and I'm fine paying a few points extra for it. Yay not being one shotted by lascannons/plasma guns/PF!
Leap seems a bit out of sorts on the warriors though, but that's just IMHO.
Will they still have anything like Aplha Warrior if grouped with a Prime?
Carnifex:
I like all the potential stuff in this and think that the natural disaster ability is cool and themeatic to the creatures. Still, Upgrades for a 2+ AS seem unlikely to me.
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