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Davor wrote:
Just saw this on BoLS.

Here's the latest word on the impending Hivefleets and their rules boys and girls.



Rumor rating: Probable, coming from known good sources

Look for a return of many biomorphs in a big way, led by available model options.
Several plastic models had access to many biomorphs with modeling options in 4th, and those parts are currently cosmetic.

The feeling is that the biomorph options were curtailed much too strongly in the current book and if there is a modeling option for it in a plastic kit, it will have rules in the next codex. I'm looking at you Carnifex (and others)!


Hmm, as a thought experiment, I'll let you pull out the old 4th Nid codex, and look at the plastic kits out there.

What old biomorph options have plastic bits but are currently missing rules? What rules would you make for them?

Sorry if this was posted already, didn't see it.

I'll believe it when it's in front of me, I don't think going back to stat changes would help honestly as it bogs the game down most of the people I play play struggle to remember just one stat line if they start to get change then there's no hope

A good recent comparison for Biomorphs is Exarch powers from the latest Eldar codex. These have a pretty even mix of giving out statline bonuses and USRs.

I have no doubt we'll see Biomorphs that give out things like FNP, Furious Charge, IWND, Rampage, or Rage.

 Ratius wrote:

Genestealer Cult (???)
The first "hybrid supplement" - this book will be a combined book for IG and Tyranids. It allows both codices to ally, but heavily restricts units selections on both. Look for smaller "infiltration bugs" such as Genestealers, Broodlords, Lictors and such from the Tyranid side while the Guard are very heavily restricted on units and heavy equipment. The list's HQ must include a psyker warlord from either the IG or Tyranid units allowed. A new psychic power list is included.

Will believe this one when it has been shipped to my house/downloaded.
Dubious I have to say, although would love it if true

Yeah, there aren't too many people with more GCult models than me, but I really don't see this happening.

Regarding biomorphs, that would cause players to have to rip apart and/or retrofit their existing models, so it's almost certainly true.

I would not be surprised to see an overhaul of the biomorph system. As far as weapon symbiotes go, I could see them changing those too.

For example - a winged hive tyrant only has 1 free set of arms for weapons (and his bottom legs actually count as scything talons if you're wysiwyg). I could totally see GW making the wings upgrade cheaper, but also forcing you to take scything talons plus 1 additional weapon symbiote. It would make all the official models fieldable as wysiwyg. For carnifex kits - only allowing the fex to equip what comes in the box (which means no double-devourer builds) could be possible as well. Then again who knows -- Jes Bickham (of the White Dwarf editing team) has a hive tyrant that's been heavily featured in the magazine that uses 2 fleshborer hives to count as 2x pairs of Twin linked Devourers with Brainleech worms. perhaps the options there will still remain.....

These last 6-8 weeks are going to kill me.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I would not be surprised to see an overhaul of the biomorph system. As far as weapon symbiotes go, I could see them changing those too.

For example - a winged hive tyrant only has 1 free set of arms for weapons (and his bottom legs actually count as scything talons if you're wysiwyg). I could totally see GW making the wings upgrade cheaper, but also forcing you to take scything talons plus 1 additional weapon symbiote. It would make all the official models fieldable as wysiwyg. For carnifex kits - only allowing the fex to equip what comes in the box (which means no double-devourer builds) could be possible as well. Then again who knows -- Jes Bickham (of the White Dwarf editing team) has a hive tyrant that's been heavily featured in the magazine that uses 2 fleshborer hives to count as 2x pairs of Twin linked Devourers with Brainleech worms. perhaps the options there will still remain.....

These last 6-8 weeks are going to kill me.

For 2 x BLW on my Flyrant I like to think his chest opens up and sprays out ammunition like raveners. Also.. the wings themselves can be counted as ST.

zaak wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I would not be surprised to see an overhaul of the biomorph system. As far as weapon symbiotes go, I could see them changing those too.

For example - a winged hive tyrant only has 1 free set of arms for weapons (and his bottom legs actually count as scything talons if you're wysiwyg). I could totally see GW making the wings upgrade cheaper, but also forcing you to take scything talons plus 1 additional weapon symbiote. It would make all the official models fieldable as wysiwyg. For carnifex kits - only allowing the fex to equip what comes in the box (which means no double-devourer builds) could be possible as well. Then again who knows -- Jes Bickham (of the White Dwarf editing team) has a hive tyrant that's been heavily featured in the magazine that uses 2 fleshborer hives to count as 2x pairs of Twin linked Devourers with Brainleech worms. perhaps the options there will still remain.....

These last 6-8 weeks are going to kill me.

For 2 x BLW on my Flyrant I like to think his chest opens up and sprays out ammunition like raveners. Also.. the wings themselves can be counted as ST.

I snipped off the Flesh Hooks on my Winged Tyrant and drilled the stumps in about 2mm so mine definitely are thorax mounted like a Ravener. But then mine predates the new model and has a pair of Balrog/Fell Beast wings spread out to the point where he has trouble hiding behind a Baneblade...

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I would not be surprised to see an overhaul of the biomorph system. As far as weapon symbiotes go, I could see them changing those too.

For example - a winged hive tyrant only has 1 free set of arms for weapons (and his bottom legs actually count as scything talons if you're wysiwyg). I could totally see GW making the wings upgrade cheaper, but also forcing you to take scything talons plus 1 additional weapon symbiote. It would make all the official models fieldable as wysiwyg. For carnifex kits - only allowing the fex to equip what comes in the box (which means no double-devourer builds) could be possible as well. Then again who knows -- Jes Bickham (of the White Dwarf editing team) has a hive tyrant that's been heavily featured in the magazine that uses 2 fleshborer hives to count as 2x pairs of Twin linked Devourers with Brainleech worms. perhaps the options there will still remain.....

These last 6-8 weeks are going to kill me.

This question interests me. I don't want TMCs to lose a bunch of weapon options, although I accept the rationale behind wanting every loadout to be buildable from a single kit.

How did the Eldar and Tau releases do on that front? Eg. Stuff like Wraithlords and Wraithknights... do they currently have every option provided, regardless if they want to double up on a weapon/twin-link something?

War walkers can take doubles of weapons but only come with one of each per kit.

My concern on the tyrant is the kit only has 1 set of arms available to hold weapons - hence why I believe either the wings will take up a weapon slot, or the scytal feet will be a mandatory option.

It's also possible that one of the new kits could include version(s) of doubled-up twin-linked weapons, which would then need to be sourced by anyone wishing to use them on a Tyrant (in the same way that they have to get their Devourers from a Carnifex sprue right now).

Forced to take 1x set of scytals is also a reasonable way around the problem, although it will be sad to lose the Dakkaflyrant.

Tyranid Rumors
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
New Plastic Hive Guard: Not a dual kit with Tyrant guard - the box just contains 3 hive guard
There is another ranged weapon option for Hive Guard that looks like a spike with 3 talons on the end of it.

 pretre wrote:
Tyranid Rumors
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
New Plastic Hive Guard: Not a dual kit with Tyrant guard - the box just contains 3 hive guard
There is another ranged weapon option for Hive Guard that looks like a spike with 3 talons on the end of it.

This will probably happen too (with the new weapon being the superior choice), just because most Tyranid players have bought their HG already.

To think I wondered out loud how GW would be able to extract more money out of me without adding a crapton of new units...

Altruizine wrote:It's also possible that one of the new kits could include version(s) of doubled-up twin-linked weapons, which would then need to be sourced by anyone wishing to use them on a Tyrant (in the same way that they have to get their Devourers from a Carnifex sprue right now).

Forced to take 1x set of scytals is also a reasonable way around the problem, although it will be sad to lose the Dakkaflyrant.

I'd be fine losing the Dakkaflyrant if the book has lots of playable options. Give us that weapons platform on the Carnifex and make him worth it. I didn't like that the Tyrant was sort of a catch-all for the army. He was better in CC than the Carnifex, could also fly, had great Ld and buffs for surrounding units, psychic powers, all while having the same guns? Sure, he's expensive, but why even bother with the Carnifex?

I'd rather the Tyrant were more commander/CC focused and less of a flying gunboat.

If the book gives us lots of viable unit choices like the others in 6th, I wouldn't care about losing that particular load out.

 gorgon wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Tyranid Rumors
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
New Plastic Hive Guard: Not a dual kit with Tyrant guard - the box just contains 3 hive guard
There is another ranged weapon option for Hive Guard that looks like a spike with 3 talons on the end of it.

This will probably happen too (with the new weapon being the superior choice), just because most Tyranid players have bought their HG already.

To think I wondered out loud how GW would be able to extract more money out of me without adding a crapton of new units...

You mean like how Wraithblades are the most amazing must-have in the Eldar Codex? Like how Pyrovores are overpowered?

The only consistency at this point with GW seems that a kit giving Hive Guard a new gun will net them a new name. Three spikes? Why not a Hive Trimpaler Guardovore?

 brassangel wrote:

Altruizine wrote:It's also possible that one of the new kits could include version(s) of doubled-up twin-linked weapons, which would then need to be sourced by anyone wishing to use them on a Tyrant (in the same way that they have to get their Devourers from a Carnifex sprue right now).

Forced to take 1x set of scytals is also a reasonable way around the problem, although it will be sad to lose the Dakkaflyrant.

I'd be fine losing the Dakkaflyrant if the book has lots of playable options. Give us that weapons platform on the Carnifex and make him worth it. I didn't like that the Tyrant was sort of a catch-all for the army. He was better in CC than the Carnifex, could also fly, had great Ld and buffs for surrounding units, psychic powers, all while having the same guns? Sure, he's expensive, but why even bother with the Carnifex?

I'd rather the Tyrant were more commander/CC focused and less of a flying gunboat.

If the book gives us lots of viable unit choices like the others in 6th, I wouldn't care about losing that particular load out.

Yeah, exactly. Not to mention that he's also our best AA choice.

I have no problem with the Tyrant being versatile, and a threat to many different types of units (in fact, I think he SHOULD be exactly that) but I'll be able to live with the removl of the option as long as we're sufficiently diversified elsewhere in the codex. I would still miss the Dakkaflyrant on a purely aesthetic/fluffy level -- I love the image of a big monster flying around unleashing torrents of maggot-fire -- but codex balance ultimately trumps the loss of any individual build.

Well, within reason. I'm not looking forward to a potential reversal of The Great Spinefist Expulsion of 2010. IMHO Spinefists should always remain the worst/most niche Termagant weapon, since the Fleshborer is the most iconic, and the Devourer is the most luxury/elite.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Tyranid Rumors
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
New Plastic Hive Guard: Not a dual kit with Tyrant guard - the box just contains 3 hive guard
There is another ranged weapon option for Hive Guard that looks like a spike with 3 talons on the end of it.

This will probably happen too (with the new weapon being the superior choice), just because most Tyranid players have bought their HG already.

To think I wondered out loud how GW would be able to extract more money out of me without adding a crapton of new units...

You mean like how Wraithblades are the most amazing must-have in the Eldar Codex? Like how Pyrovores are overpowered?

The only consistency at this point with GW seems that a kit giving Hive Guard a new gun will net them a new name. Three spikes? Why not a Hive Trimpaler Guardovore?

Ah the Trimpaler Guardovore. Nasty critter.

 pretre wrote:
Tyranid Rumors
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
New Plastic Hive Guard: Not a dual kit with Tyrant guard - the box just contains 3 hive guard
There is another ranged weapon option for Hive Guard that looks like a spike with 3 talons on the end of it.

Seems really odd that they wouldn't do a combined Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard box, given their relative dimensions. They really should do a 3-model hybrid kit for them, and then ditto with Zoanthropes/Venomthropes.

So in the past week we've heard of a new Zoey kit, a dominar/karkinos kit, and a new plastic hive guard kit (all with specifically descriptive talk about the models' features). Now I'm no Sherlock, but these all sound like information easily gathered from a white dwarf magazine - great detail regarding looks of kits, very little of actual rules. Couple in the rumor of accelerated release and the new WD needing less lead time to print, I think we could have something realistic in this new batch.

While it's a cop out, I'll say it - the white dwarf should start busting these rumors wide open in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
So in the past week we've heard of a new Zoey kit, a dominar/karkinos kit, and a new plastic hive guard kit (all with specifically descriptive talk about the models' features). Now I'm no Sherlock, but these all sound like information easily gathered from a white dwarf magazine - great detail regarding looks of kits, very little of actual rules. Couple in the rumor of accelerated release and the new WD needing less lead time to print, I think we could have something realistic in this new batch.

While it's a cop out, I'll say it - the white dwarf should start busting these rumors wide open in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

It's also possible we are only hearing about wave/month 1. If the rumors of all units having model representation (which has been common in 6th), and the huge port from metal/Finecast to plastic hold true, Tyranids may get two months a la Dark Elves.

Even better ^

 brassangel wrote:
If the rumors of all units having model representation (which has been common in 6th), and the huge port from metal/Finecast to plastic hold true, Tyranids may get two months a la Dark Elves.

I hadn't considered the idea of two waves, although it better be two consecutive months. The last time Tyranid players had to wait for a second wave they didn't get a Tervigon for a few years.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
If the rumors of all units having model representation (which has been common in 6th), and the huge port from metal/Finecast to plastic hold true, Tyranids may get two months a la Dark Elves.

I hadn't considered the idea of two waves, although it better be two consecutive months. The last time Tyranid players had to wait for a second wave they didn't get a Tervigon for a few years.

With GW trying to protect their properties from companies like Chapter house, I imagine, if they were to do two waves, the releases would be consecutive.

That's a good point. Dark Elves did have two consecutive "waves", didn't they? That leaves more credence to the Tyranid rumors.

While I agree that Tyranids in 2 waves is plausible (and necessary to get all their kits up to date with codex entries), how does that make the Dec/Jan time frame more or less plausible? Conceivably the 2 month window could occur regardless of the tyranid actual release date....

http://i.imgur.com/cZ7vf97.jpg

 TheSneak109 wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/cZ7vf97.jpg

CALLED IT! The "unknown biomorph" tyranid weapon from the rulebook is for the Hive Guard. Ten bucks says its Skyfire too

Sup plastic Hiveguard

Link for huge:
http://i.imgur.com/xoCQJlx.jpg

Have hive guard always had the "gorilla fist" for the front arms? That looks off to me.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Have hive guard always had the "gorilla fist" for the front arms? That looks off to me.

Yeah, they're just prancing more on the current kit:

Ah, okay. The new kit has longer fingers and less of a fist than the old kit.

This release looks awesome. If I still had time for serious 40k, I would be even more excited.

The guard on the left seems to be armed with some kind of alien probe device, perhaps now Space Marines will know fear?