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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/25/us/louisiana-boy-kills-grandmother/index.html

An 8-year-old boy intentionally shot and killed his elderly caregiver on Thursday evening after playing a violent video game, authorities say.
Marie Smothers was pronounced dead at the scene with a gunshot wound to the head in a mobile home park in Slaughter, Louisiana, the East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's Department said in a statement. Slaughter is about 20 miles north of Baton Rouge.
Authorities identified the woman as the boy's "caregiver," without stating whether she is a relative. But CNN affiliate WBRZ reported that the woman was the boy's grandmother.
Smothers was 87, public records show.
"By accounts of relatives of the victim, as well as friends of the family, the victim and the juvenile had a normal, loving, relationship and even shared the same bedroom," the sheriff's department said.
The gun belonged to Smothers, WBRZ reported. CNN affiliate WAFB reported that a man identifying himself as the boy's father also said the gun belongs to Smothers.
Studies on video games and violence Ex-profiler: Video games erode empathy
Although the boy initially told investigators that he accidentally shot the woman while playing with a firearm, the probe led authorities to believe he "intentionally shot Mrs. Smothers in the back of the head as she sat in her living room watching television," the sheriff's department statement said.
The boy won't face charges. Under Louisiana law, a child under 10 is exempt from criminal responsibility.
"We have a child who does not know the impact of the consequences of the act he committed," Sclynski Legier, a lawyer, told CNN affiliate WAFB. "He truly doesn't understand that."
The sheriff's department press release implies the child's activities in a violent virtual world may have led to the killing.
"Although a motive for the shooting is unknown at this time investigators have learned that the juvenile suspect was playing a video game on the Play Station III 'Grand Theft Auto IV', a realistic game that has been associated with encouraging violence and awards points to players for killing people, just minutes before the homicide occurred."
He is now with his parents.
Neighbors say the mobile home park is generally a quiet and safe place, and they wonder why precautions hadn't been taken.
"Where did she have the gun? Where was It placed? Was it in his eyesight? That's what kind of thoughts are going through my head," Johnnie Smith told WBRZ.
Violence in video games
There has long been debate about whether virtual violence in video games leads to actual violence, and it's become more heated since 26 people were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012. Like many young males who went on shooting rampages in the past, the shooter, Adam Lanza, was reportedly obsessed with violent video games.
Is media violence damaging to kids?
Speaking soon after the shootings at Sandy Hook, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, who led his state through grieving after a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, speculated that there was a connection.
"There might well be some direct connection between people who have some mental instability and when they go over the edge -- they transport themselves, they become part of one of those video games," Hickenlooper said on CNN's "State of the Union." "Perhaps that's why all these assault weapons are used."
A month after the Sandy Hook shooting, John Riccitiello, president and CEO of the video game maker Electronic Arts, said in a conference call with bank analysts there wasn't a connection, but the industry faces a "perception issue," the BBC reported.
Opinion: Video games didn't cause Newtown shooting
Vice President Joe Biden, who is heading an inquiry into the causes of gun violence, has floated the idea of taxing violent games and sending proceeds to help victims and their families, Forbes.com reported.
Studies by reputable academic and medical sources have come to a variety of conclusions over the years. The Obama administration called for more research into the connection following the Sandy Hook shooting.


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Can he even be held accountable at 8 years old? Im not even sure i knew what death meant? He certainly cant be tried as an adult?
And games erode sympathy? I cry all the time because sad thins happen

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Can he even be held accountable at 8 years old? Im not even sure i knew what death meant? He certainly cant be tried as an adult?
And games erode sympathy? I cry all the time because sad thins happen


The boy won't face charges. Under Louisiana law, a child under 10 is exempt from criminal responsibility.

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Instead of blaming computer games and taxing them and other crap, how about discussing the one thing that frequently is ignored in these reports? These things have age ratings on them for a reason, blame the parents not the games. Someone gave an 18+ game to an 8 year old. You don't give porn and video nasties to 8 year olds, so why give them adult computer games?

Anyway I find it hard to believe that playing GTA would lead anyone to kill. I suggest other things are going on in their mind and upbringing.
   
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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Instead of blaming computer games and taxing them and other crap, how about discussing the one thing that frequently is ignored in these reports? These things have age ratings on them for a reason, blame the parents not the games. Someone gave an 18+ game to an 8 year old. You don't give porn and video nasties to 8 year olds, so why give them adult computer games?

Anyway I find it hard to believe that playing GTA would lead anyone to kill. I suggest other things are going on in their mind and upbringing.

Perhaps he was looking for a body armor upgrade

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 Alfndrate wrote:
 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Instead of blaming computer games and taxing them and other crap, how about discussing the one thing that frequently is ignored in these reports? These things have age ratings on them for a reason, blame the parents not the games. Someone gave an 18+ game to an 8 year old. You don't give porn and video nasties to 8 year olds, so why give them adult computer games?

Anyway I find it hard to believe that playing GTA would lead anyone to kill. I suggest other things are going on in their mind and upbringing.

Perhaps he was looking for a body armor upgrade

Which is silly 'cause you find that on the ground randomly not on dead people...

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I think this is a case where it is pretty clear that violent games can lead to violent actions if somebody is too young to understand the difference between game and real life, and a good example why there are age ratings for games like that.

   
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I think this is a case where it is pretty clear that violent games can lead to violent actions if somebody is too young to understand the difference between game and real life, and a good example why there are age ratings for games like that.


Yup... agreed.

I have a 7 & 9 yo squiggies... and I regularly talk to them about the differences between game and real life. They'd just *roll their eyes* and say "yeah, we know dad!". But, then again, I wouldn't know unless I talk to them about it.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Can he even be held accountable at 8 years old? Im not even sure i knew what death meant?


Are you sure? In the US we tend to project some mythological "innocence" or purity onto young children that they simply don't have. I know I understood what death was as a young child. Even if I was not fully equipped to make rational decisions with regard to all of their consequences, I was certainly able to grasp that death was both bad and permanent. Working with children of all ages now, I can tell you that they understand very much what will cause others pain, and often choose to take action on that knowledge.

   
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Well there's no point in creating mandatory safety courses and storage laws for firearms, because an 8-year-old that wants a gun is going to be able to get a gun no matter what.
   
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So, today we have learned that leaving a gun where an eight year old can get at it, and it's ammunition is a bad idea. Alright, I'll keep that in mind, because I wasn't sure up until now.
   
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Well...you can learn how to load, jack a round into the chamber and fire just from PS3/Xbox360....

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 Jihadin wrote:
Well...you can learn how to load, jack a round into the chamber and fire just from PS3/Xbox360....


I think the point they are trying to make is that you shouldn't be able to get your hands on the gun at 8 without supervision while you are holding it

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I've a feeling she took a nap and he explored around. Weapon in a drawer with rounds...

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I've a feeling she took a nap and he explored around. Weapon in a drawer with rounds...


And it shouldn't be in a draw that the child can access with rounds. That is what they are trying to say.

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Clear case of poor gun safety, which is not something that can be enforced.

There is very little evidence that violence in games and movies is responsible for increased violent tendencies. And even if it does, that's what rating labels are for.


The wonderful thing about poor gun safety is that it is it's own punishment, just like fire. Be irresponsible with matches, get burned. The same holds true with guns.

We've done such a great job of reenforcing fire safety with kids. We can do the same with guns. Have cute little videos of policemen telling kids that playing with real guns is not safe, just like how firemen have videos showing kids how playing with matches isn't safe.

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Wonder if it was a revolver or a pistol...

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I’m going to go ahead and blame the victim here. She shouldn’t have has the firearm (together with ammunition) where an 8 year old boy could find it.

As for the violent video game angle, again I blame the victim. Why did you buy GTA 3 for an 8 year old?

I don’t believe that violent video games lead to violent behavior but I do believe that you should respect the rateing on the box.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Wonder if it was a revolver or a pistol...


Why does that matter?

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Poor gun safety at its finest.

 
   
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I’m going to go ahead and blame the victim here. She shouldn’t have has the firearm (together with ammunition) where an 8 year old boy could find it.

As for the violent video game angle, again I blame the victim. Why did you buy GTA 3 for an 8 year old?

I don’t believe that violent video games lead to violent behavior but I do believe that you should respect the rateing on the box.


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The boy won't face charges. Under Louisiana law, a child under 10 is exempt from criminal responsibility.
"We have a child who does not know the impact of the consequences of the act he committed," Sclynski Legier, a lawyer, told CNN affiliate WAFB. "He truly doesn't understand that."


He might know the full impact on what he did. If the weapon was unloaded with ammo in the same then drawer he went by memory from playing/watching a FPS type of game. Now how many of us here on a FPS shooter game have gone behind another player and put one in the head of the opponent or have committed ingame a "execution" type of killing?

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What FPS games are showing every step of loading any gun, much less the actual gun used.

I love me some P-90 action, but just because I've used it in game means I would be in any way able to use a real one with only the game to go on.

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Battle Field is one. Not sure on GTA.

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Battle Field is one. Not sure on GTA.


Yeah, a few of the military based shooters are pretty accurate, and while they may not show every step, the ones that they sometimes skip aren't always the necessary ones.

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Either that or the kid picked it up from a movie/TV show

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Has anyone actually used a gun? You can't glean how to load and disengage the safety just from a shooter much less a game like GTA IV. A personal example. I played Call of Duty WaW and used the Kar98k bolt action rifle quite a bit. When I got my hands on the real deal all that game taught me to do is that you put a stripper clip in and push the rounds down. In fact, loading the rifle is much slower than in the game. It didn't teach me how to engage/disengage the safety, how to clear the rifle, how to take the bolt out and a bunch of other things. Now, the Kar98k is a much simpler weapon than your average handgun. It's probable that the kid found the weapon loaded with a bullet in the chamber and wanted to.... well, I guess play a trick on Grandma or something.

Also, unless you look really closely you can't tell from a glance on how to load a handgun from a game like GTA IV.

However, that isn't here or there. This is a tragedy that is an unfortunate side effect of allowing everyone a chance of owning a firearm. My condolences to the family and I hope to god that the kid doesn't do it again. Even if he doesn't, this is going to haunt him for the rest of his life.

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I think the trend of shooters being obsessed with violent games is a case of mistaking a symptom for the cause.

Someone who already has violent tendencies will seek an outlet. Eventually it will not be enough.

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