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Sorry Alf but that is preposterous. They don't want to deal with it so they delete warnings about a known scammer in their midst and let their members be potentially victimized?

Ya that makes tons of sense.

   
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Yeah i know, i said EXACTLY the same thing.

seems to be ostrich syndrome. Im sure other groups will be different.

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Just thought I'd point it out due to the thousands of people exposed to the picture linking to his website and myself being the only person to point out the potential risks.
   
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Thats why im wondering if a warning group might be an idea. Similar to this thread, but with a further potential reach (no offense to Dakka)

I dunno just an idea i guess.

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If you can manage further reach than the hundreds of thousands of visitors we get a year, by all means!

He he sarcasm aside every bit helps and a shareable facebook group can't be a bad thing.

Everyone directly involved should also go to ic3.gov to report this guy... eventually, even the gov should take note.

   
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Lakewood, Ohio

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry Alf but that is preposterous. They don't want to deal with it so they delete warnings about a known scammer in their midst and let their members be potentially victimized?

Ya that makes tons of sense.

No need to tell me my words are preposterous, because it makes sense. Look at it this way, you have a website dedicated to modding cars, people post their kits, their mods, their upgrades, etc... Then some guy that has been posting on your website for more than 12 hours (feth if I know) and he starts posting his own conversion work that he's not selling about a car that he's building from the pieces of another car to get something completely different, doesn't mention selling it, doesn't mention where you can get it, is just posting pictures of it (have you seen the Word Bearers Preaching thing being "up for sale" or for a client?), and then someone comes along and say, "hey this guy is a scammer, look here, here, and here, he's touting someone's plans as his own to get money." How would you react? There is just as much validity to the random person's words as the person that is just posting conversions. Not everyone has your fantastic evidence that it's Mandelbaum. The people in this thread that don't get harassed by Mandelbaum only have your word to go off of...

Even a cursory google search of the name Daniel Mandelbaum would give anyone enough information to make a decently sound decision and go, "I don't want to fething deal with that." How Sami Lynn and JoAnne Smith run their page is up to them. You can't get indignant at me because I offered a sound opinion as to how two people not involved choose to run their page.

Mandelbaum is scum, people can choose to read what has been posted here over and over, ad infinitum ad nauseum, or they can stick their fingers in their eyes and go, "lalalala I can't hear you" and choose to ignore it because it doesn't concern them.

Any person with enough skill to work a computer can google "Black Crusade Studio" and get 4 out of the top 5 results are, "Black Crusade Studio Warhound Scam". If you google his 'paypal' gmail of his stuido name as a single word at gmail.com you get Kingcatwell's video. Like The information is out there, and someone, anyone, can choose to deal with it how they wish. If Sami and JoAnne wish to keep their page about conversions, then fething let them, just like you keep this thread about Mandelbaum

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Made in ca
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Good for you Alf. Obviously the only reason not to trust that guy is that I said it is Mandelbaum. Nothing else is fishy going on at all.

By the way, and this is the last time I'm going to tell you, watch your tone. That was unnecessarily aggressive at best. If you and the people who run that site don't want to deal with it, then don't. But don't be surprised if other people find it an odd and potentially dangerous decision and speak up only to avoid seeing anyone get in a jam. Or do you always yell at people trying to warn you a car thief is hanging out on your street and staring at your wheels?

   
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Lakewood, Ohio

I never said I didn't care about this guy scamming people, I was simply offering a differing opinion, much like DiabolicAI offered...

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Sure. If you have anything further to say on the matter you can PM me, otherwise let's let the thread get back on topic please.

   
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Ignoring the semantics, it seems obvious to most that this is DM. He pushes a product, which he has no intention of delivering, takes money, fails to deliver and then disappears, only to crop up again a short time later. How many are taken in by this scam? A couple? A few dozen? Hundreds? I've no idea, but if he continues to do it, even if he's being spotted early, it must be profitable. BCS is still going now so presumably bank details are still being exchanged. It's got to stop. Who has jurisdiction? Local police? Wider? I've no idea. If people are being scammed, or suspect a scam is being set up, who do they report it to?
   
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http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
For the Feds

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/filecomplaint.aspx
For USPS Fraud

http://www.ntcc.crimestoppersweb.com/
North Texas Crimestoppers

http://www.dallaspolice.net/
Dallas PD

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/How-Do-You-Report-Suspected-Tax-Fraud-Activity%3F
IRS Fraud Dept.

   
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The really mind-boggling part about this, again, is it just seems like it would be so much easier to just make the conversions and sell them instead carefully orchestrating these elaborate scams.

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Blocked from posting as well, took around 5 minutes.
Damn, this dude is fast at banning people.
   
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Deetoz wrote:
Blocked from posting as well, took around 5 minutes.
Damn, this dude is fast at banning people.


And yet he cannot update his FB page to include any business registration details or legitimate testimonials from CA based businesses.

   
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 Mr. Burning wrote:
Deetoz wrote:
Blocked from posting as well, took around 5 minutes.
Damn, this dude is fast at banning people.


And yet he cannot update his FB page to include any business registration details or legitimate testimonials from CA based businesses.



Because he is to busy banning people, deleting posts and e-mailing insults at those posters off course

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The problem with posting a "warning" page on Facebook is you potentially leave yourself open to DM getting you into trouble for harrassment/etc (ironic I know)... as Yak said in the last thread he posted in the subject responding to the C&D sent over from Germany, it is just not worth the potential bother, even if nothing DM says would ever stand up against the weight of evidence if it came to courts etc...

   
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Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?


Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.

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 doc1234 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?


Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.


If that were true then why is his current page still up after all the reports it's gotten?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
 doc1234 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?


Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.


If that were true then why is his current page still up after all the reports it's gotten?


He donates for the advertisement space. Why do you think FB hasn't gotten involved? It's someone donating money to them vs people who aren't.

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 doc1234 wrote:


He donates for the advertisement space. Why do you think FB hasn't gotten involved? It's someone donating money to them vs people who aren't.



Or, as much as all the circumstantial evidence and BCS' own highly questionable behaviour paint a very unfavourable picture of it all, innocent until proven guilty, as we liked to call it in the olden days.

   
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I have proof to believe that He's been watching this thread and others, Just saying.

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Don't worry, we all know he's watching this thread. And the other one. Can't stay away.

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Ahahah, quite, I've added Alan Welson on Facebook, and it seems that he doesn't want to answer any questions...

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 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
I have proof to believe that He's been watching this thread and others, Just saying.


So do I, since he still hasn't got it through his head to stop calling my house.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
I have proof to believe that He's been watching this thread and others, Just saying.


So do I, since he still hasn't got it through his head to stop calling my house.


What do you mean Calling your House? like Phoning your Home?

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 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
I have proof to believe that He's been watching this thread and others, Just saying.


So do I, since he still hasn't got it through his head to stop calling my house.


What do you mean Calling your House? like Phoning your Home?

Yeah, Mandelbaum has a habit of calling Alpharius (whom was owed money and models by Mandelbaum) whenever his scam gets brought out into the open. Just look through the last thread from May/June/July of this year, filter the thread down to Alpharius and you'll see, the dude makes a habit of this, much to the annoyance of anyone that has given his/her number to Mandelbaum in the past :-\

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Is that Legal? Aren't there Harassment laws against it or something?

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 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
Is that Legal? Aren't there Harassment laws against it or something?

Mhm, but that requires a lot of hassle and work to pull off. Mandelbaum banks on his targets not phoning the police due to the unnecessary stress filing harassment charges can put on someone over toy soldiers and converted man dollies.

As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.

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