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 cincydooley wrote:
These shouldn't be full time jobs.

But they have to have a core of full time people to be able to run the joint, as does any restaurant, or really any business for that matter.

Thats what the iron men are for.

How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

It's because sociology gets the bum rap of being related with "social work" or "social justice" major(s) in some cases. These are generally jobs that people do for the altruism aspect of it. "I just want to help people" Helping people doesn't require a degree... yes there are useful aspects of sociology, but it gets wrapped up with those other two social majors/degrees I had earlier in the post.

Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
These shouldn't be full time jobs.

But they have to have a core of full time people to be able to run the joint, as does any restaurant, or really any business for that matter.

You lovingly ignored the part where I said, "except for management."

@hotsauce - It's not that there's a hatred for the Liberal Arts, its just that many of the degrees are worthless when it comes to "real world" application. I know plenty of people have espoused that "the skills I learned taking an entire class on Percy Shelly have application in the real world" but guess what; I'd have learned those skills if I was taking a more functional content class too. Critical thinking skills and problem solving skills are going to be learned (or at least should be learned if you're at a school worth anything) in whatever area you go into. But I can tell you now that the CONTENT of the accounting class you take is going to have a much broader 'real world' application than the CONTENT of the Shelly class.

Of any "liberal arts" classes I took, my two intro philosophy classes were the ones that are serving me the best today. They were both, essentially, logic and critical reasoning classes, and I'd actually encourage everyone to take something like that, as it does teach you how to think and how to craft a logical response. My technical writing classes were also worthwhile, as they have direct business world applicability. I loved my Beat Generation class and my American Lit class, but quite frankly, most of the writing skills and thinking skill I used within them I didn't learn there; the majority of that I learned in high school. Honestly, if you're just learning how to write a research paper or how to dissect a poem in college, you should be angry with your high school. Those are skills you SHOULD be learning there.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
These shouldn't be full time jobs.

But they have to have a core of full time people to be able to run the joint, as does any restaurant, or really any business for that matter.

You lovingly ignored the part where I said, "except for management."

No, I didn't. You still need some people beyond the management to run the place. As someone with really strong opinion about how fast food operations, you seem to have little idea on how they actually work day-to-day.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

It's because sociology gets the bum rap of being related with "social work" or "social justice" major(s) in some cases. These are generally jobs that people do for the altruism aspect of it. "I just want to help people" Helping people doesn't require a degree... yes there are useful aspects of sociology, but it gets wrapped up with those other two social majors/degrees I had earlier in the post.

Also the rigorousness of the application of scientific method is sometimes more questionable. However I am not going to heavily argue this point, as my knowledge of university level sociology is minimal and will concede to your point if others support.




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 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
These shouldn't be full time jobs.

But they have to have a core of full time people to be able to run the joint, as does any restaurant, or really any business for that matter.

You lovingly ignored the part where I said, "except for management."

No, I didn't. You still need some people beyond the management to run the place. As someone with really strong opinion about how fast food operations, you seem to have little idea on how they actually work day-to-day.

Again no discussion of iron men. When will the lowly robot gets it credit???

 Frazzled wrote:
Again no discussion of iron men. When will the lowly robot gets it credit???

After the glorious iron men revolution, of course.

Iron men strike for $15 an hour! Outrageous!

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
These shouldn't be full time jobs.

But they have to have a core of full time people to be able to run the joint, as does any restaurant, or really any business for that matter.

You lovingly ignored the part where I said, "except for management."

No, I didn't. You still need some people beyond the management to run the place. As someone with really strong opinion about how fast food operations, you seem to have little idea on how they actually work day-to-day.

Please, enlighten me. Granted, I've only worked at one fast food place when I was like 19, but we certainly didn't need any management there for D2D operations. Keyholders and supervisors certainly don't need to be full timers.

A part time superviser?

 Frazzled wrote:
A part time superviser?

Oh yeah. We had two morning shift supervisors and two evening shift supervisors. None of us were full time (I was an evening shift supe and worked like, 20-26 hours a week).

I mean, it's really not that hard.

My dad is a shift supervisor at a retail clothing store... He's part time, gets paid slightly above gak, and only works 20 hours a week... It's doable to be part time "management"

I mean, we were a bunch of 18-24 year olds and we managed not to ever burn the place down. It didn't really take a ton of effort to ensure that happened.

You'd be amazed at what a moderately motivated group of young adults can do on their own. /sarcasm.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

It's because sociology gets the bum rap of being related with "social work" or "social justice" major(s) in some cases. These are generally jobs that people do for the altruism aspect of it. "I just want to help people" Helping people doesn't require a degree... yes there are useful aspects of sociology, but it gets wrapped up with those other two social majors/degrees I had earlier in the post.

It is true that alot of Profs are left leaning, and it is very tied into Politics sometimes. But I LOVE to research why the way things are. I mean why is it China still has selective abrtion problems and what are ways t fix it. Sociology is very often about trying to fix problems.

 cincydooley wrote:
You'd be amazed at what a moderately motivated group of young adults can do on their own. /sarcasm.

That group has pretty reliably not amazed me in most of their undertakings, with perhaps the sole exception of "making bongs out of stuff".

 cincydooley wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
A part time superviser?

Oh yeah. We had two morning shift supervisors and two evening shift supervisors. None of us were full time (I was an evening shift supe and worked like, 20-26 hours a week).

I mean, it's really not that hard.

Mmm. learn something every day.*



*OK thats a lie. I haven't learned anything since the last ice age.


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It is true that alot of Profs are left leaning, and it is very tied into Politics sometimes. But I LOVE to research why the way things are. I mean why is it China still has selective abrtion problems and what are ways t fix it. Sociology is very often about trying to fix problems.

Interesting.

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
You'd be amazed at what a moderately motivated group of young adults can do on their own. /sarcasm.

That group has pretty reliably not amazed me in most of their undertakings, with perhaps the sole exception of "making bongs out of stuff".

^^ This

I wonder if we will see a wave of strikes across the country now?

Bring it! Power to the People! Raise your Fist for Freedom!

 Easy E wrote:
Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

Um where?

Every call center i've worked at just requires you talk on the phone.

No degrees needed, hell barely a high school diploma. Wells Fargo Auto collections, classy

 pities2004 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

Um where?

Every call center i've worked at just requires you talk on the phone.

No degrees needed, hell barely a high school diploma. Wells Fargo Auto collections, classy

Yeah, no degree required at our call centers either.

For the one I work with, a fething CS degree is "preferred".

You can imagine how many people like that we've gotten.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

It's because sociology gets the bum rap of being related with "social work" or "social justice" major(s) in some cases. These are generally jobs that people do for the altruism aspect of it. "I just want to help people" Helping people doesn't require a degree... yes there are useful aspects of sociology, but it gets wrapped up with those other two social majors/degrees I had earlier in the post.

It can also get lumped in with Psychology, which is also viewed as a major pseudo-science..It's partly because when dealing with human reactions, emotions and thought processes, or even group think, there is honestly no real way to scientifically prove anything, because people are too individual.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Baxx wrote:
What do you pay in taxes?

Right now I pay myself 12$/hour, I only declare 35 hours a week and end up with 460$ bi-weekly, net. So Gross is 840$, net is 460$, I pay about 45% taxes. It's not all income taxes, though, as a wee bit goes to mandated UI, Provincial retirement fund (which should be bankrupt by the time I get to the age where I'd need it)

Quebec workers pay taxes to both their provincial government and federal government. Last time I checked, we were the only province to do so, it might have changed in the last few years, so don't hold me to that.

That money doesn't go very far... I do hope to find a job in a high school to supplement that.


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Oh, and since we have a little old lady doing the taxes for us... I rarely get anything back. When I did them on my own I might get a few hundreds from each government back come tax time.

Something's awfully wrong with those numbers, or you are in some sort of special bracket I never want to set foot in. 12$/Hour, 35 hours a week should get you a taxation rate of 16% prov, 15% fed. Montreal's municipal taxes only go as high as 13% for appartment buildings (I looked at Rosemont, assuming it would be the highest).

Uncanny. I am in Rosemont. You're right about the taxation rate, but our accountant keeps messing with my pay, for some reason. I told them to increase my taxation by 15%, and he added 15% per level of government. Nice, uh?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is sociology not a hard science? Everything they do follows the scientific method. You form theories, test them and post results. People dont know it but society has benefited from sociology many times. And there is a hatred for it. I see it quite a bit on dakka.

It's because sociology gets the bum rap of being related with "social work" or "social justice" major(s) in some cases. These are generally jobs that people do for the altruism aspect of it. "I just want to help people" Helping people doesn't require a degree... yes there are useful aspects of sociology, but it gets wrapped up with those other two social majors/degrees I had earlier in the post.

It can also get lumped in with Psychology, which is also viewed as a major pseudo-science..It's partly because when dealing with human reactions, emotions and thought processes, or even group think, there is honestly no real way to scientifically prove anything, because people are too individual.

My teacher had a rebuttal to that. That is it about trying to prove ANYTHING about a group. There are always outliers. It about trying to discern why a certain pattern is repeated many times over. Like women getting paid less then men. It is true some get paid more, but there is enough of a pattern to discern that something is amiss. Just like Other sciences. I remember something in my geology class. When a faul splits in splits in 3s. 2 of those fissures will develop into water beds or oceans. one will not. There is one exception in our history where all 3 split into waterbeds. does that disprve the others? No. it is just an outlier.
The reason I think people dont like psychology or sociology? Other sciences teach you about the world, We teach you about yourself and you might not like it.

Jihadin wrote:Everyone would probably agree that a majority of a college degree unless its specific. I'm starting to get the feel that one is better off getting a "Tech" education is more desirable. Though adding a degree though enhances that Tech education.

Az you have a Law Degree? Just asking because for the life of me I can't remember what you do in the RL if you had posted it in some other thread

No, I never went to law school. Was going to, but then something else came along and caught my attention. And I have never said what I do (I'm private like that, I guess ...but someone paying very close attention for a very long time now could've perhaps worked it out)


@Whembly: I have no idea how to hide a body in this day and age. I know how to disappear bodies.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Everyone would probably agree that a majority of a college degree unless its specific. I'm starting to get the feel that one is better off getting a "Tech" education is more desirable. Though adding a degree though enhances that Tech education.

Az you have a Law Degree? Just asking because for the life of me I can't remember what you do in the RL if you had posted it in some other thread

No, I never went to law school. Was going to, but then something else came along and caught my attention. And I have never said what I do (I'm private like that, I guess ...but someone paying very close attention for a very long time now could've perhaps worked it out)


@Whembly: I have no idea how to hide a body in this day and age. I know how to disappear bodies.

Are...are you the "cleaner" that everyone talks about after a shoot-out? The one who makes pesky problems like dead bodies, as you say, "disappear"? Cause I've got a corpse stinking up the joint in my room ever since I fed my roommate too many prunes and his body is still excreting bodily fluids. Could you hook me up with some hydrochloric acid at least if you can't come?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The reason I think people dont like psychology or sociology? Other sciences teach you about the world, We teach you about yourself and you might not like it.

As a scientist and engineer, I used to lump all the pseudo-sciences together. Over time I can see the scientific method behind some of the work being done and I agree that it can be as rigorous as anything dealing with humans, human reactions and such complex systems can hope to be at this time - but it is very early days in establishing it as a true science; kind of how alchemy foreshadowed chemistry I would suggest that sociology foreshadows genuine understanding and manipulation of humanity. There is still a lot of bunk out there.

Granted my interest in sociology and other such fields is very limited, although three of the students on my last MSc course were on various neuro-psych undergraduate courses which was interesting to talk about.