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 pities2004 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

Um where?

Every call center i've worked at just requires you talk on the phone.

No degrees needed, hell barely a high school diploma. Wells Fargo Auto collections, classy

Can I ask when the last time you worked at a Call Center was?

Sociology gets a bum rap because it is a pseudoscience using poor statistics and the trappings of science to make claims about the nature of things. if it wouldn't pretend toward rigor and would instead focus on building stro.g arguments from experience and logic like other well respected humanities disciplines, it would garner more respect. Science isn't the be all and end all of disciplines, but half assed science is pretty damaging.

Regardless of why sociology gets a bum rap, a sociology degree isn't very marketable. For that reason alone I would encourage my kid to look at something else.

It is marketable if that is the field you are going into. I plan to actually become a teacher someday with it. It is a very real science and I wish people would treat it that way.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is marketable if that is the field you are going into. I plan to actually become a teacher someday with it. It is a very real science and I wish people would treat it that way.

No. Its marketable if that field has...jobs. Many on the humanities side are finding there aren't now. All those dang Me Generation types just refuse to die.

Yes, the world only has room for Math and Science degreees!

That is exactly what I keep hearing from people. I hate math and I hate engineering, it is boring. But everyone says I should go into the field.
Yes, I should go into a field I hate and subsequently am no good at. Im sure to get a job if i hate the field.

 Easy E wrote:
Yes, the world only has room for Math and Science degreees!

Plus Marketing. Thats where all the cool kids hang out.
And Culinary Arts. Always attempting to build a better cake!

I tried Culinary..............My Proffessor didnt like my jelepeno icecream with ghost pepper chocolate sauce.

You can't make money in the Culinary Arts. The cake on FOOD network is a lie!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I tried Culinary..............My Proffessor didnt like my jelepeno icecream with ghost pepper chocolate sauce.

So? Did it taste good? Would people pay money for it?

He said it tasted like ass.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
He said it tasted like ass.

And you're going to let the narrow-minded palette of a single person stop you from being the next Food Network Star?

Yes yes I am. Now back to watching a movie that saly parrallel my sad no existent love life.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is marketable if that is the field you are going into. I plan to actually become a teacher someday with it. It is a very real science and I wish people would treat it that way.

So the point of Sociology is to teach Sociology?

While also studying and researching it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
While also studying and researching it.

Again, not a field that is gonna pay the bucks nor be in high demand anytime in the near to mid-term future. If you are happy with it and can actually get a job in it, good for you. As an investment in your future (time and $$s spent on your education) it does not have a high pay off at all, and in act is a risky investment. To be even slightly competitive you will need a PHD in it, and that is a huge investment.

 Easy E wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

Um where?

Every call center i've worked at just requires you talk on the phone.

No degrees needed, hell barely a high school diploma. Wells Fargo Auto collections, classy

Can I ask when the last time you worked at a Call Center was?

Today. (I actually develop software for call centers)

Unless you are talking about very specialized call centers like banks, insurance companies, health assistance, etc, there are no degrees required for the average tele-marketing call center operator. The computer even tells the operator what exact sentences he has to use while interacting with a client...

Bank call centers certainly don't require a degree.

 cincydooley wrote:
Bank call centers certainly don't require a degree.

Depends on the type really, we have a new trend in bank call centers over here in that the operator has the same skill set and responsibilities as a regular customer manager that works on a physical branch. He is supposed to advise the customers that are on his portfolio about investment opportunities, stock, loans, etc. Those types of operators are required to have a degree in much the same way as their "physical" counterparts do.

That is how things work here, I have no idea if they are any different in the US.

PhantomViper wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Bank call centers certainly don't require a degree.

Depends on the type really, we have a new trend in bank call centers over here in that the operator has the same skill set and responsibilities as a regular customer manager that works on a physical branch. He is supposed to advise the customers that are on his portfolio about investment opportunities, stock, loans, etc. Those types of operators are required to have a degree in much the same way as their "physical" counterparts do.

That is how things work here, I have no idea if they are any different in the US.

In the US... there are many investment firms that'll handle that.

 CptJake wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
While also studying and researching it.

Again, not a field that is gonna pay the bucks nor be in high demand anytime in the near to mid-term future. If you are happy with it and can actually get a job in it, good for you. As an investment in your future (time and $$s spent on your education) it does not have a high pay off at all, and in act is a risky investment. To be even slightly competitive you will need a PHD in it, and that is a huge investment.

Like i said, it is something i throughly enjoy and love. The only thing i love slightly more is film. But I dont want a job in film. Yes I know it isnt going to pay the big bucks, But few ays things do.

PhantomViper wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Bank call centers certainly don't require a degree.

Depends on the type really, we have a new trend in bank call centers over here in that the operator has the same skill set and responsibilities as a regular customer manager that works on a physical branch. He is supposed to advise the customers that are on his portfolio about investment opportunities, stock, loans, etc. Those types of operators are required to have a degree in much the same way as their "physical" counterparts do.

That is how things work here, I have no idea if they are any different in the US.

I think we must just be mixing meanings of call center. In the US there are typically service call centers and collections call centers for banks. Neither, that I'm aware of, require degrees. Sorry for the mix up.

Wait, I thought all call centers where in india?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wait, I thought all call centers where in india?

Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

Add "Communications Degree" to the list of useless degrees. And, yes, if you want to earn the big bucks, you will take math and computer programming (java/C#) and learn both competently. Who cares if you like it or not? That's what vacations in the Bahamas are for. I'll bet you'll like those. And a nice house in the good area of town. And a nice car. Try getting these with a sociology, communications, or lib arts degree.

What is the point of a nice car if i have to drive it to a job I utterly loathe?

Hotsauce, sociology is not a science. But that's okay. It doesn't have to be a science to be a useful or important field. The problems looked at by sociology are not suited to the scientific method due to the large number of obscure variables and the trouble with taking statistical information from humans. But that doesn't mean the old fashioned methof of building airtight arguments cannot be used. Sociology gets a bum rap from scientists because some sociologists use very poor science like methods to push a social policy motivated by ideology rather than evidence.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Neither does anwering a phone, but most call centers require a degree too.

Um where?

Every call center i've worked at just requires you talk on the phone.

No degrees needed, hell barely a high school diploma. Wells Fargo Auto collections, classy

Can I ask when the last time you worked at a Call Center was?

Today. (I actually develop software for call centers)

Unless you are talking about very specialized call centers like banks, insurance companies, health assistance, etc, there are no degrees required for the average tele-marketing call center operator. The computer even tells the operator what exact sentences he has to use while interacting with a client...

I can promise you that the above is just about correct.

Entry-level positions in call centres not only do not require degrees, but typically will shun them. Many call centers will require some type of personality evaluation, and will only select those candidates which a moderate aptitude and a low motivation, because the single greatest drain on the cost-versus-productivity of call centres is their high turnover rate. As such, a moderate aptitude is about the best you can hope for before the typical person will start to express motivation and may seek employment elsewhere, or move on in another fashion, and thus contribute to the turnover rate.

Da Boss wrote:Hotsauce, sociology is not a science. But that's okay. It doesn't have to be a science to be a useful or important field. The problems looked at by sociology are not suited to the scientific method due to the large number of obscure variables and the trouble with taking statistical information from humans. But that doesn't mean the old fashioned methof of building airtight arguments cannot be used. Sociology gets a bum rap from scientists because some sociologists use very poor science like methods to push a social policy motivated by ideology rather than evidence.

It's considered a "soft science" when it is done properly and paired closely with statistical analysis.

'Soft science' to me means 'I want to make you believe something counter intuitive, so I've done a t test for significance on some heavily smoothed data and written out a method to make it look like I'm doing science! Now I don't have to make any sort of argument because of the Science!' It discredits science and leads to bloody awful social policy.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is the point of a nice car if i have to drive it to a job I utterly loathe?

So you can go to job interviews in style as you climb the ladder to better jobs?