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**pretre**

Updated 11/4/2013:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/11/40k-rumors-da-orks-iz-waaaghing.html

Larry Vela on Bols wrote:
It looks like we have a good idea of what the first half of 2014 is looking like.
Orks in June, after Imperial Guard
Ork models focus on updates/removal of metal and finecast models.

Gutrippa returns as a reimagined halftrack with a Kannon and a nasty spike filled front, and a AAA Flakkwagon alternative build.

Buggy kit
Flashgitz/Tankbustas combo-kit
Meganob kit (Warboss bit included)
Big Gunz/Suppagunz combo-kit
Deffkoptas
Plastic cybork parts are included in one of those kits.

Plastic Weirdboy clampack
Plastic Mek clampack

Last but not least... there is mixed chatter out there about... da CyBoar!

We've had off and on Ork rumors and might as well collect them in one spot and get all the Ork Rumors out in the open. I know the most recent (and the majority) are Natfka rumors, but I put everyone's down the bottom.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/ork-psykers-on-steriods-that-is-until.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:
large squads generate more points (more than if you MSU'd)

Dakka squads if they kill models in the shooting phase generate a wyrd token, placed beside the unit.

Choppin squads generate a wyrd token every round they're in combat.

Squads above a certain size generate a wyrd token at the start of the ork turn (including the first),

And you get 1 per 3 as your rumor suggested at the start of your turn as well.

When you go to cast a power you simply collect tokens from squads (and there is a strategy to use tokens from units about to regen them as they can't have more than 1.

Wyrd tokens are lost if the unit is fleeing, off the table (even ongoing reserves) or destroyed.

there is a maximum amount of wyrd you can use in a turn.

Ork powers have minimum and maximum wyrd they can spend (think the black legion supplement) and that wyrd boyz can explode again, and it becomes more and more likely the more tokens they use on a power

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/ork-psykers-not-using-levels.html

via Tim the Thief on Faeit 212 wrote:
Orks will become a special Rule for they Psykers. Wierdboyz do not generated Warp Points, Units do it! 1 Point per 3 Units in your core Army.

Orks do not use levels. For every 3 Units your Armylist fill every Psyker in your Ork army can user one Point.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/09/faeits-rumor-tarot-breaking-ork-rumors.html

via Tim the Thief on Faeit 212 wrote:
Waarghpoints
Every 3th Ork Mob Generate 1 Point, only Units with 10 or more Boyz count.

Weirdboyz
Weirdboyz do not generate Warppoints. Can use Waarghpoints for Psypowers.

Lootaboyz
New Special rule; the Lootaboyz Boss can use one Weapon of the last defeated Enemy Unit as an "one Shot". The Rule can be used only once per Defeaded Unit!

Bigmek
The use of the Snokk Attack Gun cost one Waargh point per shot

Waarghboss
Can use the ability "Waargh Cry", which cost one Waarghpoint

Older rumors

75hastings69 - Total rumors: (62 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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Batty - Total rumors: (0 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (172 TRUE) / (228 FALSE) / (32 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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Larry Vela - Total rumors: (12 TRUE) / (26 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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Perfect Organism - Total rumors: (0 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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Stickmonkey - Total rumors: (109 TRUE) / (231 FALSE) / (41 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

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**Da krimson barun**

Snokk attack gun?

**Tannhauser42**

I like the idea that, the bigger the army, the more psychically powerful it gets.

**ceorron**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I like the idea that, the bigger the army, the more psychically powerful it gets.

Yeah that sounds great. I'm not convinced that these will make the orks more powerful or more fun to play. I'm be happy for this to happen as a weirdboy only thing but the shock attack gun and the warboss use waaagh points? If the powers are good then yeah but seems a little gimmicky to me.

**Alpharius**

"via Faeit 212" - oh well.

**MrMoustaffa**

Maybe this is the sign that the waargh will mean something again.

Also works like the fluff suggests, the more irks there are and the orkier the things they're doing, the stronger the effect gets. Hopefully we won't have to randomly determine our power every turn, but given GW's love of randomness, I'm not holding my breath.

**Luke_Prowler**

As much as I'd like that a ork unit gets stronger based on the size unit, I don't like the idea as something a contrived as "waaagh points", not to mention it's far to similar to the Sisters of Battle's faith points for me.

But just as Alpharius points out, it is from Faeit 212, so I'm not trusting anything until someone more trust worthy speaks up.

**Davor**

Thanks Petre for bringing them all together. I also like how you put the ratio of right/wrong/vague.

**Algorithm**

And when orks are eventually launched I will inevitably shell out the dough, and my wife will rage at me for taking up more closet space.

On the plus side, I love the psychic amplification dynamic. Very fluffy and even adds a bit of tactical depth. I'll take me salt but I like what I'm hearing.

**Ravenous D**

Well looks like I'll be holding off on making that ork army, because all this is very concerning.

**Bonde**

Orks got hit quite hard by the newly released codices, they and Tyranids really need an update. My goal is to finish painting the Ork models that I have before they get a new codex so I can justify buying more models.

**MikeFox**

I sit. I wait for more concrete proof. I hate rumormilling. In the mean time my ork army will still bring the WHaaaaaaa to the tournament scene. MANZ for the win.

**Nosebiter**

Hmmm, the whole idea of units generating warppoints would be fun, but a massive pain in the neck to keep track off.

Also to balance potential min/max abuse, the weirdboy would eiher be very expensive or probe to blowing up destuctively and easily.

Buy most of the above sounds like massive wishlisting someone dreamt up over beer and "would it not be cool if..." Conversation

**MrMoustaffa**

Well apparently not just weird boys use these "points", but bosses and meks as well, and who knows what else. Perhaps the boss can use a point to call a WAAARGH, the mek uses a point to fire the shook attack gun, the dakkajet burns one to fire twice, etc etc. It could be an awesome mechanic if done right. Especially if its a "use it or loose it" thing, that way I can say "ok, I get 2 points this turn, what do I use it on?"It wouldn't really be much record keeping at all.

However, these seem like big changes for orks, so who knows if its legit.

**RogueRegault**

Hmm. Lots of salt.

I could see the Warboss making use of multiple waagh points a turn as a sort of 1/unit thing. Something akin to markerlights like "spend a point to allow 1 unit within 12" of the boss to run and assault in the same turn."

The loota rule seems kind of unworkable. They're typically ranged units, so do the weapons just teleport to them? More likely would be a random table of goodies from other races like Ion Rifles and shuriken cannons.

**BrassScorpion**

Ork Rumors (Bring Salt)

If a rumor is so weak and unlikely that the person posting feels compelled to put "bring salt" in the title of the topic, perhaps it's not worth posting in a topic all of its own at all.

**pretre**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Ork Rumors (Bring Salt)
If a rumor is so weak and unlikely that the person posting feels compelled to put "bring salt" in the title of the topic, perhaps it's not worth posting in a topic all of its own at all.

except it also allows us to collect all the outstanding irk rumors in one place. So there.

**battlematt**

I for one thank you Pretre. Goofy ork rumors are the best type of rumor.

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And I I hate Matt Ward.

**BrassScorpion**

except it also allows us to collect all the outstanding irk rumors in one place. So there.

One can do that without undermining the worthiness of reading them in the first place from the very topic title. Touché!

**overtyrant**

Well I appreciate it pretre.

**Clang**

The psychic stuff does make some sense fluff-wise, and it fits GW's strategy of buffing unloved units, especially if GW also have some cool new psyker models to sell us.

But details-wise, yeah, even if totally true, these could just be play test rules subsequently changed wildly or abandoned completely. I agree with above posters that any rules involving accumulating and using psychic 'power points' would need to be _really_ easy to administrate in-game.

And +1 for a separate orks-only rumour thread

**Jidmah**

What's there to administrate? They could just sell a bag of plastic coins with Waagh! glyphs on them, and before you move, you toss one at every ten orks doing orky things, plus one for every unit. Whenever activating a skill, you pick up one of those coins and return it to your bag. Of course, about every ork would scavange his bitz box for more awesome markers than the one sold by GW. That's pretty much how marker lights work anyways.

**Ascalam**

Part of me is looking forward to a new Ork dex.

(Heh...auto correct made that New York Sex, which is also good...)

The rest of me, and the larger part, is thinking ' God don't let them feth this up...' because if they do I'll be stuck with it for years...

**rothrich**

I saw these rumors over on faeit and thought to my self gee I wonder if anyone over on dakka has seen thse and what do they think? Making a wagggh points system would be much better than the current effects of the wagggh... I just don't really belive much of the rumors I have read on them. They also talk about a grot whirly bird for transporting grots... and grot buggies and a host of other grot units including a grot boss none of which I buy. maybe its a supplement? But still it would have to be down the road. Also a squigoth as part of a normal army? I don't know about that either dounds too much like the giant kroot monster (that was a feait thing too if I am not mistakin) that we were supposed to get and never did. The last thing I have to say is, Faeit predicts IG before orks so if thats the truth why do they have ork rumors yet no IG rumors? just a thought on how accurate they actually are or if they are just trying to make stuff up...

**pretre**

BrassScorpion wrote:
except it also allows us to collect all the outstanding irk rumors in one place. So there.
One can do that without undermining the worthiness of reading them in the first place from the very topic title. Touché!

there. Happy?

**Jidmah**

GW explicitly said that they aren't migrating anymore units from forgeworld to codices, so I wouldn't hold my breath on squiggoths.

I do agree that these rumors are pretty likely to be nonsense because of their timing, though I like the idea. However, marines and tyranids (and most codices before) pretty much dropped out of the sky exactly a month before their pre-order, I expect orks to do the same.

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pretre wrote:
there. Happy?

"from Natfka" is pretty much an euphemism for "bring salt" anyways

**Orky-Kowboy**

Jidmah wrote:
GW explicitly said that they aren't migrating anymore units from forgeworld to codices, so I wouldn't hold my breath on squiggoths.

Yeah, the squiggoths aren't going to happen. The new Ork dex doesn't need to introduce an equivalent to the Wraithknight or the Riptide because Orks already
have a monster kit - the Stompa. I think we can bargain on Stompas in the Heavy Support slot for Orks.

**lord_blackfang**

Orky-Kowboy wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
GW explicitly said that they aren't migrating anymore units from forgeworld to codices, so I wouldn't hold my breath on squiggoths.

Yeah, the squiggoths aren't going to happen. The new Ork dex doesn't need to introduce an equivalent to the Wraithknight or the Riptide because Orks already
have a monster kit - the Stompa. I think we can bargain on Stompas in the Heavy Support slot for Orks.

I'll take that bet. Superheavies have no place in regular 40k.

**ceorron**

Orky-Kowboy wrote:

Yeah, the squiggoths aren't going to happen. The new Ork dex doesn't need to introduce an equivalent to the Wraithknight or the Riptide because Orks already
have a monster kit - the Stompa. I think we can bargain on Stompas in the Heavy Support slot for Orks.

I think the squiggoths are actually pretty likely. The rate the other armies have been getting really big kits it seems pretty likely to me.

I'd imagine it would probably fit on the large oval base, so really not half the size of the smallest FW squiggoth.

I know they said no more stealing from FW but if it is substantially smaller then it will probably get a pass.

**Tannhauser42**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Orky-Kowboy wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
GW explicitly said that they aren't migrating anymore units from forgeworld to codices, so I wouldn't hold my breath on squiggoths.

Yeah, the squiggoths aren't going to happen. The new Ork dex doesn't need to introduce an equivalent to the Wraithknight or the Riptide because Orks already
have a monster kit - the Stompa. I think we can bargain on Stompas in the Heavy Support slot for Orks.

I'll take that bet. Superheavies have no place in regular 40k.

However, as I stated in the IG rumors thread regarding a Baneblade in the new codex, it is very easy to create non-superheavy rules for the Stompa to put in the codex for regular use. You simply reduce the hull points and tone down the guns to normal 40K weaponry. So the codex version could be ~200pts for a 4HP Stompa with a Boom Gun, Rokkit Launchas, and Big Shootas.