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 Splod wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The only way this campaign could be more fraught with danger would be if they teamed up with Felix of AOW in order to ensure on time delivery.

Or our friend from Mierce and Maelstrom.

I was more referring to the lateness of products being released. What you're describing is a whole other category of danger.

I love the concept and the look of the hard suits but I don't trust the company to deliver.

 Splod wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The only way this campaign could be more fraught with danger would be if they teamed up with Felix of AOW in order to ensure on time delivery.

Or our friend from Mierce and Maelstrom.

I completely disagree with the Mierce comment, I put about £1500 into their KS and they have produced simply stunning quality miniatures. Mierce have also delivered some of their KS pledges upto 4 months early and the communication and customer service is some of the best I have seen in 28 years in this hobby....and yes I did get caught up in the Maelstrom issues, but things/ can change.

I still don't understand how such a good render ends up such a bad print.

And their 'house pro painter' doesn't impress me

. I pledged for one. Can always back out.

 carlos13th wrote:
I love the concept and the look of the hard suits but I don't trust the company to deliver.

Oh, they're deliver it. They haven't not delivered any of the stuff they've put into production. It's just a case of when you'll get it. That being said though, as I recall, their Chinese Militia was released fairly close to when they said they'd release it.

Slightly off topic and because the old thread is pretty damn old now, has anyone purchased the Aleutian Worms? I've never seen any photos of them besides the ones on their site. I'm rather curious how they turned out since they don't have so much surface detail, appear to be rather large, and don't have that many pieces.

This is such a shamefully negative way to start a thread, guys.

I'd have loved me some hardsuits a few years back. But if it's 25$ for a box... I might as well just pay the extra 5$ shipping in February (of whichever year) when they actually have the product.

 Splod wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The only way this campaign could be more fraught with danger would be if they teamed up with Felix of AOW in order to ensure on time delivery.

Or our friend from Mierce and Maelstrom.

Now I'm confused. The $600 or so I put into Mierce's kickstarter has been rewarded with the finest miniatures on the planet, delivered on time (or in some cases, months ahead of schedule).
Unless you're saying Defiance is like Mierce in that they did a complete 180 and are now trustworthy and produce amazingly detailed and affordable product?

Okay guys, it was one throwaway comment about Mierce that has dragged us all OT. Let's drop it- they have indeed excelled at their kickstarter fulfillment, despite past business errors. That's not what this thread is about and the point has been made... let's move on.

 Barzam wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I love the concept and the look of the hard suits but I don't trust the company to deliver.

Oh, they're deliver it. They haven't not delivered any of the stuff they've put into production. It's just a case of when you'll get it.

Have they sent out the jeep things to folks who pre-ordered them yet?

Just curious.

Yeah... no way am I giving these guys any money in advance.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah... no way am I giving these guys any money in advance.

Kickstarter makes it perfect for Defiance. All the risk is assumed by the backers, who end up with little to no path of recourse should Defiance fail to deliver on the project.

Not that it could happen that way....

NEWS JUST IN FROM THEIR FACEBOOK:

ATTN: Defiance Games is under new management

Defiance Games is under new leadership. Gary Pelletier- who has been handling customer service and production issues for the past year - is taking over as CEO effective immediately. The new team at DFG consists of Max Martelli as Art Director, Darred Surin as Office Manager and Mark Loud as Production Manager.

Our top priority is to provide our customers with quality products at the best price possible. Our first focus will be on reliable service and good communication with our customers.

We encourage you to join us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter as well as joining our open forum at defiancegames.com. Each of us will be present and open to your comments and feedback in all of these outlets and we are looking forward to giving you all nothing short of our best.

Our recent foray into Kickstarter is our way of starting fresh with a product we know you all want. We understand everyone's hesitations but assure you that we will be working night and day to make this a home run for all of you.

- Gary Pelletier

The artwork is fantastic, the render is amazing, but the test piece just looks terrible. I don't know if it is the sculpting, the material, the painting, or a combination of all of the above. It looks unbalanced - you have the fantastic detailing on the legs and left arm, while the torso and weapon just look bland.

It's a shame because they could have been nice count-as Ogryns for Guard players.

Tony's gone? Well my confidence in the company just quadrupled, just like with WGF when Tony "left" there.

I wish them (and most importantly their customers) well but that message reminds me of a video game kickstarter that tried to distance itself mid-crowdfunding from its controversial founder. IIRC they tried it twice and it didn't work. The funding goals for this are obviously significantly lower though.

Goal exceeded and 61 backers already! Plus they can double their money selling the backer details to Nigerian 419ers

Highly suspect reshuffle too... and I love how everyone is either a director or a manager

Hey Everyone,

My name is Max Martelli, I am the new Art Director at Defiance Games and wanted to pass along an announcement from our new CEO Gary Pelletier. The announcement is as follows.

"ATTN: Defiance Games is under new management
Defiance Games is under new leadership. Gary Pelletier- who has been handling customer service and production issues for the past year - is taking over as CEO effective immediately. The new team at DFG consists of Max Martelli as Art Director, Darred Surin as Office Manager and Mark Loud as Production Manager.
Our top priority is to provide our customers with quality products at the best price possible. Our first focus will be on reliable service and good communication with our customers.
We encourage you to join us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter as well as joining our open forum at defiancegames.com. Each of us will be present and open to your comments and feedback in all of these outlets and we are looking forward to giving you all nothing short of our best.
Our recent foray into Kickstarter is our way of starting fresh with a product we know you all want. We understand everyone's hesitations but assure you that we will be working night and day to make this a home run for all of you.
- Gary Pelletier"

We understand everyone's reservations with this Kickstarter and the projected delivery date as well as any reservations you have with our current plastic. The new DFG team has been working long and hard these past couple of months to hammer out all of the faults in our production method which were evident in the release schedules and the quality of our previous sets. We would like to make this Kickstarter a way to build up the trust of anyone who may have lost it with our company in the past.

Thanks
-Max Martelli

Max, Welcome.

Hope your motto is something along the lines of Facta non Verba.

 Max Martelli wrote:
Hey Everyone,

My name is Max Martelli, I am the new Art Director at Defiance Games and wanted to pass along an announcement from our new CEO Gary Pelletier. The announcement is as follows.

"ATTN: Defiance Games is under new management
Defiance Games is under new leadership. Gary Pelletier- who has been handling customer service and production issues for the past year - is taking over as CEO effective immediately. The new team at DFG consists of Max Martelli as Art Director, Darred Surin as Office Manager and Mark Loud as Production Manager.
Our top priority is to provide our customers with quality products at the best price possible. Our first focus will be on reliable service and good communication with our customers.
We encourage you to join us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter as well as joining our open forum at defiancegames.com. Each of us will be present and open to your comments and feedback in all of these outlets and we are looking forward to giving you all nothing short of our best.
Our recent foray into Kickstarter is our way of starting fresh with a product we know you all want. We understand everyone's hesitations but assure you that we will be working night and day to make this a home run for all of you.
- Gary Pelletier"

We understand everyone's reservations with this Kickstarter and the projected delivery date as well as any reservations you have with our current plastic. The new DFG team has been working long and hard these past couple of months to hammer out all of the faults in our production method which were evident in the release schedules and the quality of our previous sets. We would like to make this Kickstarter a way to build up the trust of anyone who may have lost it with our company in the past.

Thanks
-Max Martelli

Welcome! I know it may not feel like it from the tone but people (including myself) do want to see these minis hit the shelves. I'm a bit surprised to see the announcement of this type of leadership shuffle only after the start of the Kickstarter as it feels like a response to criticism (don't know the timing of the actual change). Is Tony not involved in any way in directly running the company now? Is he "only" a silent owner now?

What is the problem with the spincast plastic?

I like the spuncast plastic used for Red Box Games. As sharp as resin and way easier to work with than metal.

It tends not to be minis that are as poseable as HIPS, superglue is required. The composition can vary greatly, from too hard, too brittle, too soft. The bubbles some of the chinese have shown are problematic, to say the least.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the material myself, as long as they are well cast. What would get me to pledge? Shots of the correct sizing test cast. If it is reasonably free of flaws.

 judgedoug wrote:
I like the spuncast plastic used for Red Box Games. As sharp as resin...

These won't be. Even without seeing them, I can promise you that much at least.

I don't get all these people complaining about the prototype. It's a 3D print. 3D printers are still in their infant years and won't make anything that looks as good as hard plastic or resin for half a decade, if not more. There are higher quality 3D prints available, but they're very expensive for a prototype. This is what 3D printing looks like, folks.

I see the initial goal is already met, so good for them. Defiance have a new CEO so maybe that'll turn things around, but they've pretty much done dick all as far as actually producing kits or meeting the goals they've set til now. This just seems desperate.

No, it's what Cheap 3D printing looks like, as you say in your own post!

 Brother SRM wrote:
I don't get all these people complaining about the prototype. It's a 3D print. 3D printers are still in their infant years and won't make anything that looks as good as hard plastic or resin for half a decade, if not more. There are higher quality 3D prints available, but they're very expensive for a prototype. This is what 3D printing looks like, folks.

I see the initial goal is already met, so good for them. Defiance have a new CEO so maybe that'll turn things around, but they've pretty much done dick all as far as actually producing kits or meeting the goals they've set til now. This just seems desperate.

Much higher quality 3D printing is readily available. There are printers that make prints that look as good, if not better than any "hard plastic" kits on the market. More expensive, yes, but easily there.

And I'm complaining about the prototype because it seems to be a general reflection of the company to date: rushed and shoddy. If they wanted to promote the figures well (especially for a KS where the cost could be easily absorbed) they should have stumped up for the higher quality print and a professional paint job.

To the new CEO: Where is Tony now? What is his continued involvement. Until you answer those questions, you will not have a shred of credibility in my eyes. Also, a little bit of advice: Don't skimp on getting figures done by high calibre artists. The Chinese figures that were recently released are mediocre, at best. Look to Mierce as an example of how one can pay more for higher quality which brings more customers.

Back to lurking...

~Eric

 Max Martelli wrote:
Hey Everyone,

My name is Max Martelli, I am the new Art Director at Defiance Games and wanted to pass along an announcement from our new CEO Gary Pelletier. The announcement is as follows.

"ATTN: Defiance Games is under new management
Defiance Games is under new leadership. Gary Pelletier- who has been handling customer service and production issues for the past year - is taking over as CEO effective immediately. The new team at DFG consists of Max Martelli as Art Director, Darred Surin as Office Manager and Mark Loud as Production Manager.
Our top priority is to provide our customers with quality products at the best price possible. Our first focus will be on reliable service and good communication with our customers.
We encourage you to join us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter as well as joining our open forum at defiancegames.com. Each of us will be present and open to your comments and feedback in all of these outlets and we are looking forward to giving you all nothing short of our best.
Our recent foray into Kickstarter is our way of starting fresh with a product we know you all want. We understand everyone's hesitations but assure you that we will be working night and day to make this a home run for all of you.
- Gary Pelletier"

We understand everyone's reservations with this Kickstarter and the projected delivery date as well as any reservations you have with our current plastic. The new DFG team has been working long and hard these past couple of months to hammer out all of the faults in our production method which were evident in the release schedules and the quality of our previous sets. We would like to make this Kickstarter a way to build up the trust of anyone who may have lost it with our company in the past.

Thanks
-Max Martelli

Any chance I could get unbanned from commenting on the Defiance games facebook?

Also, like others, I'm interested to know what happened to Tony.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 Max Martelli wrote:
Hey Everyone,

My name is Max Martelli, I am the new Art Director at Defiance Games and wanted to pass along an announcement from our new CEO Gary Pelletier. The announcement is as follows.

"ATTN: Defiance Games is under new management
Defiance Games is under new leadership. Gary Pelletier- who has been handling customer service and production issues for the past year - is taking over as CEO effective immediately. The new team at DFG consists of Max Martelli as Art Director, Darred Surin as Office Manager and Mark Loud as Production Manager.
Our top priority is to provide our customers with quality products at the best price possible. Our first focus will be on reliable service and good communication with our customers.
We encourage you to join us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter as well as joining our open forum at defiancegames.com. Each of us will be present and open to your comments and feedback in all of these outlets and we are looking forward to giving you all nothing short of our best.
Our recent foray into Kickstarter is our way of starting fresh with a product we know you all want. We understand everyone's hesitations but assure you that we will be working night and day to make this a home run for all of you.
- Gary Pelletier"

We understand everyone's reservations with this Kickstarter and the projected delivery date as well as any reservations you have with our current plastic. The new DFG team has been working long and hard these past couple of months to hammer out all of the faults in our production method which were evident in the release schedules and the quality of our previous sets. We would like to make this Kickstarter a way to build up the trust of anyone who may have lost it with our company in the past.



Thanks
-Max Martelli

Sent you a PM....

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
It tends not to be minis that are as poseable as HIPS, superglue is required. The composition can vary greatly, from too hard, too brittle, too soft. The bubbles some of the chinese have shown are problematic, to say the least.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the material myself, as long as they are well cast. What would get me to pledge? Shots of the correct sizing test cast. If it is reasonably free of flaws.

I would need some shots in order to pledge for this KS as well, but I don't think any mini company would produce the kind I need.

seriously though, best of luck guys. The various delays of the past have made me really hesitant to order anything new from you (heck, I still haven't got my Gunny figure) but I'd still like to see you turn it around. The idea for the setting they had was a cool concept and I really wanted to see it succeed.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I don't get all these people complaining about the prototype. It's a 3D print. 3D printers are still in their infant years and won't make anything that looks as good as hard plastic or resin for half a decade, if not more. There are higher quality 3D prints available, but they're very expensive for a prototype. This is what 3D printing looks like, folks.

No, this is what bad 3D printing looks like. Look at any Raging Heroes pre-release to see what 3D printing can look like.

The fact is, the prototype is currently all that we have to go on as to the final quality of the actual miniature. And if they're creating a master from a 3D print, and that's the best quality print they can do, that doesn't bode well for the final product...