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I wonder if they'll re-jig any points costs since we're getting a 'minor update for 6th. Aside from all the obvious stff (BBS etc) I would like Heavy Flamers to be cheaper so I can actually justify using them.

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 evildrcheese wrote:
I wonder if they'll re-jig any points costs since we're getting a 'minor update for 6th. Aside from all the obvious stff (BBS etc) I would like Heavy Flamers to be cheaper so I can actually justify using them.

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Don't get your hopes up on this one. If they make any changes at all it will be the removal of redundant rules like "Seraphim Pistols" (ability to fire 2 pistols at once). There are so many problems with the SoB WD dex and points costs are amongst the biggest. Eviscerator costing 25points was one of the things that really annoyed me, both in the IG and GK codex an Eviscerator costs 15pts, heck a Sister Repentia costs 17 and comes with one.

There will be no points changes, it will be copy paste WD dex and some other stuff with a $50 price sticker slapped onto. Those Warlord Traits took allot of effort, research and playtesting to balance....

Careful Cow... you almost optimistic there.

Has anyone bought a WD to confirm this SoB and BA update is being released?

Puscifer wrote:
Has anyone bought a WD to confirm this SoB and BA update is being released?

Yes, someone upthread posted their own photo of the ad.

In case there is any doubt, it is genuine, I have my WD delivered this morning.

It got edited into the OP, in fact. Check the first post, there's a picture that a member here took of it.

Cheers.

Does WD give us a specific date?

Nope :(

Also at present its only a IPAD edition...........

I have the odd sense we're all about to be massively disappointed.

I am pleased its actually now available to people

 Mr Morden wrote:


Also at present its only a IPAD edition...........

...That sucks if we can't get it any other way. Hope they change that when they release it.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I have the odd sense we're all about to be massively disappointed.

Actually, as SOB players, we are always massively disappointed.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I have the odd sense we're all about to be massively disappointed.

It's not like we've been promised major changes from it anyway. This is just minor re-release with some small updates, made to serve as a stopgap. It's quite cool and all, but I don't think that any of us are expecting anything big.

I'm waiting to see if it pops up on iTunes today as a preview. We'll see if anything is different then.

So as long as I have itunes on my computer, could I in theory obtain the codex? Sorry for all the annoying questions, but most of my digital book knowledge is from the other end, and is extremely limited as it is.

Agreed. I have an android tablet and my pc, this is all new to me and welcome information.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Everytime the English GW webstore uses "Sisters of Battle", the German version uses "Adeptus Sororitas", even in the tag for the army. So in Germany, it is still the official name (and not Adepta!). Call it a bad translation, but Adepta Sororitas is one as well (Adepta Sororitatis at least follows Latin grammar, meaning "a (single) female pupil of the sisterhood").

No no no. "Adepta Sororitas" is not Latin. It is the fictional name of a fictional band of fictional female fanatics of a fictional religion. Don't forget that the name is also written in a fictional language. The Germans writing "Adeptus Sororitas" everywhere is like writing "Spece Marines" or "Dahk Eldar" everywhere. It's Engrish by proxy, sorry German Dakkanauts.

 Manchu wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Everytime the English GW webstore uses "Sisters of Battle", the German version uses "Adeptus Sororitas", even in the tag for the army. So in Germany, it is still the official name (and not Adepta!). Call it a bad translation, but Adepta Sororitas is one as well (Adepta Sororitatis at least follows Latin grammar, meaning "a (single) female pupil of the sisterhood").

No no no. "Adepta Sororitas" is not Latin. It is the fictional name of a fictional band of fictional female fanatics of a fictional religion. Don't forget that the name is also written in a fictional language. The Germans writing "Adeptus Sororitas" everywhere is like writing "Spece Marines" or "Dahk Eldar" everywhere. It's Engrish by proxy, sorry German Dakkanauts.

Actually it is latin, as in the language. They've got the grammar wrong though. The nominative singular should be adeptus sororitas. If they mean it to be plural, it would be adeptus sororitates.

Sorry, 6 years of latin.

They probably took it to make the name sound feminine, but the way I'm justifying it in my headcanon is:

Adept - an individual member of an Adeptus
Adepts - plural of Adept
Adeptus - an organisation of Adepts
Adepta - plural of Adeptus

At least this way it kind of works out with how these terms are used by the writers.

agnosto wrote:Actually it is latin, as in the language. They've got the grammar wrong though.

Manchu's point was, I think, that it is "bastardised latin" because it's a Space Language used in a sci-fi setting set many thousands of years in the future. It's not "grammatically false latin" because it evolved/mutated, quite similar to various languages of today - such as the Italian language that evolved out of vulgar latin, for example.

 Lynata wrote:
They probably took it to make the name sound feminine, but the way I'm justifying it in my headcanon is:

Adept - an individual member of an Adeptus
Adepts - plural of Adept
Adeptus - an organisation of Adepts
Adepta - plural of Adeptus

At least this way it kind of works out with how these terms are used by the writers.

agnosto wrote:Actually it is latin, as in the language. They've got the grammar wrong though.

Manchu's point was that it is "bastardises latin" because it's a Space Language used in a sci-fi setting set many thousands of years in the future. It's not "false latin" because it evolved/mutated.

Kind of makes sense when you consider how an already dead language could morph over the intervening thousands of years; changed by people with no real understanding of the language itself or the history. Oddly fits the setting quite well.

Huh.

The Dark Elves is up on pre-order and you can get its preview but the Sisters of Battle isn't up.

Maybe next week?

 S'jet wrote:
Yes but Adeptus is purely masculine. Adepta is Feminine.

..a pupil (male singular) of the sisterhood... is a little wierd.

If the phrase is actually based on latin, then the Sororitas is wrong as well (and maybe even more wrong than Adeptus.

The latin for Sisterhood would be germanitas, and sister would be soror or sororis. Looking at Sororitas I assume that they started with Soriris which follows the 3rd declension, which doesn't have the appropriate ending. I think -as endings are usually associated with verb conjugations instead of nouns.

Now Adeptus (n) usually means attainment or an obtaining and it is a masculine noun. But adipisci is also a verb which has the following meanings:

Definitions: arrive at, come up to/into; gain, secure, win, obtain; inherit; overtake

It follows the third conjugation which gives you adeptus as the first person perfect case giving you "I have arrived" "I have come into" "I have gained" I have obtained" "I have inherited".

So the Adeptus portion of the title can easily be more correct portion of the title and could result in an intended meaning of "I have obtained Sisterhood", except for the fact that they used the wrong word for Sisterhood, and the wrong declension for sister.

Or, you know, we could accept that a bunch of nerds in the 80s threw together a game and just used words that sounded cool and used bastardized meanings of words and bastardized grammar to throw together a background for a game they invented and that the words would make a Latin teacher throw up and kick you out of his class.

 agnosto wrote:
Actually it is latin, as in the language.

No, it's High Gothic, as in the fictional language.

 Lynata wrote:
Manchu's point was, I think, that it is "bastardised latin" because it's a Space Language used in a sci-fi setting set many thousands of years in the future. It's not "grammatically false latin" because it evolved/mutated, quite similar to various languages of today - such as the Italian language that evolved out of vulgar latin, for example.

Spot on.

 agnosto wrote:
Kind of makes sense when you consider how an already dead language could morph over the intervening thousands of years; changed by people with no real understanding of the language itself or the history. Oddly fits the setting quite well.

Most of our Latin comes from Caesar and Cicero. Imagine, their idiosyncratic styles have formed our understanding of how everyone spoke the language. Who knows what bizarre game of telephone this has engendered over thousands of years much less tens of thousands.

 Lynata wrote:
They probably took it to make the name sound feminine, but the way I'm justifying it in my headcanon is:

Adept - an individual member of an Adeptus
Adepts - plural of Adept
Adeptus - an organisation of Adepts
Adepta - plural of Adeptus

At least this way it kind of works out with how these terms are used by the writers.

agnosto wrote:Actually it is latin, as in the language. They've got the grammar wrong though.

Manchu's point was, I think, that it is "bastardised latin" because it's a Space Language used in a sci-fi setting set many thousands of years in the future. It's not "grammatically false latin" because it evolved/mutated, quite similar to various languages of today - such as the Italian language that evolved out of vulgar latin, for example.

It is what used to be called "pig Latin". This was common among classically educated British schoolboys in the 1960s and 70s, so it included some of the original 40K writers.

"Illegitimi non carborundum" == Don't let the bastards grind you down.

Something that looks and sounds like Latin but it isn't real Latin.

agnosto wrote:Kind of makes sense when you consider how an already dead language could morph over the intervening thousands of years; changed by people with no real understanding of the language itself or the history. Oddly fits the setting quite well.

Art imitates life.

It's kind of funny how it could apply both to the people in-universe as well as some of the writers and fans who came up with and expanded it.

Kilkrazy wrote:It is what used to be called "pig Latin". This was common among classically educated British schoolboys in the 1960s and 70s, so it included some of the original 40K writers.
"Illegitimi non carborundum" == Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Something that looks and sounds like Latin but it isn't real Latin.

Hah, this is a cool bit of trivia. Thanks.

 pretre wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I have the odd sense we're all about to be massively disappointed.

Actually, as SOB players, we are always massively disappointed.

Someone needs to write a SOB New Players guide entitled "Is Masochism Right For You? The definitive guide to Warhammer 40k's Sisters of Battle"

 S'jet wrote:
Yes but Adeptus is purely masculine. Adepta is Feminine.
..a pupil (male singular) of the sisterhood... is a little wierd.

Male pupil of "Astarte, Egyptian goddess of war and sexual love" isn't much better.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/39661/Astarte
Let's call them Bolter Bitches and be done

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I have the odd sense we're all about to be massively disappointed.

Actually, as SOB players, we are always massively disappointed.

Someone needs to write a SOB New Players guide entitled "Is Masochism Right For You? The definitive guide to Warhammer 40k's Sisters of Battle"

I think 1d4chan (warning for the linguistically sensitive, there is a lot of swearing after the link) has you covered:

Because you're a proud fa/tg/uy who can remember the good old days when the models were pewter, the vehicle armor was Papier-mâché, and the universe was populated by manly motherf****rs instead of whiny power armored mary sues. Whats that? Inquisitors? F*** your gak. Go play Grey Knights. This is second edition Sisters, when everything was ecclesiarchal, the force org chart was 50% HQ, and the Cannoness had a godd*** laser mace. New models? Updates? Real codex? F*** um. You're going to win for the same reason you always have. You're the hardest, beardiest, motherf****r around and you've been pushing these kids' s*** in since they had pokemon lunch boxes. Welcome to the new hard mode.

What a shame sisters was my first army I sold them in hopes of an update someday......well I'll probably be dead by then.