Reaper Bones II: Closed at $3,169,610

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**BobtheInquisitor**

So, the mods over there seem to be deleting every post I make now. They got at least three since the new Kickstarter. I'm not sure why. The last post I made was in the Bones You'd Like to See thread, and I posted that I would like to see more IMEF and Nova Corps figures and a giant-sized mech. The post was completely on topic. I guess I'm not part of the old boys' club.

It's not worth pulling my pledge or anything, but it is kind of shocking that their forum is at (sub?)Warseer levels of moderatorship. I wonder if the company is as intolerant and joyless on the inside as they appear to the outside?

**Vain**

chris_valera wrote:
It's not whining it's just that that's a lot of Bathalians they're making, for no ral reason. Three variants of a race? Making big figures and Tyranid stand-ins I understand, but three variants of the same figure?

I fully agree, the amount of times I have seen multiple version of a human cleric and thought to myself "Why the hell did there need to be different versions of this? I mean they already have one, isn't that enough? And if someone did want multiples wouldnt they just be happy with having two that looked identical?"

...oh hang on, no I have never thought that. Just because it isn't something that I really need or want right now doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there that would like a par or trio of unique gribblies to throw into an adventure or have as a BBEG.

And you never know, this might be the start of a range of models for some race Reaper want to push, and it was most economically paced at three at a time or some feth I have no way of knowing?

**BobtheInquisitor**

The Bathalien Primarch is a model that I've carried up to the FLGS's cash register multiple times, each time making with the misty Old Yeller eyes, but just have not yet pulled the trigger on the purchase. Now I can afford to get more than one, and with almost no guilt!

**Sean_OBrien**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, the mods over there seem to be deleting every post I make now. They got at least three since the new Kickstarter. I'm not sure why. The last post I made was in the Bones You'd Like to See thread, and I posted that I would like to see more IMEF and Nova Corps figures and a giant-sized mech. The post was completely on topic. I guess I'm not part of the old boys' club.

It's not worth pulling my pledge or anything, but it is kind of shocking that their forum is at (sub?)Warseer levels of moderatorship. I wonder if the company is as intolerant and joyless on the inside as they appear to the outside?

That is sort of surprising - though I would guess it would be Ladystorm, as she has a bit of a Cartman complex and you might have gotten on her bad side... She isn't a Reaper employee, but likes to think she is from time to time, and gets crazy with deleting posts which she feels are out of line. If you wanted, you could probably get it cleared up with a message to Kit or Bryan as they tend to hold her leash.

The people who actually work for Reaper are pretty good and get punchy from time to time (read some of Ed's posts on Frothers, or the various comments by Ron, Matt, Bryan or Talin in the KS comments).

**ruff**

Sean_OBrien wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, the mods over there seem to be deleting every post I make now. They got at least three since the new Kickstarter. I'm not sure why. The last post I made was in the Bones You'd Like to See thread, and I posted that I would like to see more IMEF and Nova Corps figures and a giant-sized mech. The post was completely on topic. I guess I'm not part of the old boys' club.

It's not worth pulling my pledge or anything, but it is kind of shocking that their forum is at (sub?)Warseer levels of moderatorship. I wonder if the company is as intolerant and joyless on the inside as they appear to the outside?

That is sort of surprising - though I would guess it would be Ladystorm, as she has a bit of a Cartman complex and you might have gotten on her bad side... She isn't a Reaper employee, but likes to think she is from time to time, and gets crazy with deleting posts which she feels are out of line. If you wanted, you could probably get it cleared up with a message to Kit or Bryan as they tend to hold her leash.

The people who actually work for Reaper are pretty good and get punchy from time to time (read some of Ed's posts on Frothers, or the various comments by Ron, Matt, Bryan or Talin in the KS comments).

Yeah I have to agree with Sean on this.. The people at reaper are the best, the mods that run the forums all have complexes at times.. A quick email above their head clears things up most times.. lol..

**Sean_OBrien**

chris_valera wrote:
Sasori wrote:

At this point, you are really just coming across as whining for the sake of whining.

It's not whining it's just that that's a lot of Bathalians they're making, for no ral reason. Three variants of a race? Making big figures and Tyranid stand-ins I understand, but three variants of the same figure?

3 figures which are not the same. The Primarch, Centurion and Exarch are different. You have two which have hand type things and one which has mantis like arms. The Primarch is larger than the other two as well. They work as a good stand in for all sorts of things, and should be handy for doing a space oddity type army, where they make up the core and than something like the big worm and other Lovecraftian inspired critters flesh it out.

Personally I would have preferred 3 different mind flayers - but having fewer than 3 of anything which isn't huge limits there usefulness for wargamers. 3 or more and you can then start mixing things up to make units of them.

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Forar wrote:
Not every big KS has to be 'zomg the biggest ever!', but at 150 or whatever figures for $100 +S&H, that's pretty solid. I like what they've done in terms of timing on the tiers, and also think the expansions are an interesting idea; a larger scale 'build your own' without going into intricate detail on specific add ons, and even only partially funded, at $50 apiece I wish I could justify snagging some.

And I do think that some people are discounting the end of campaign bump when those "48 hours left" emails go out.

Keep in mind, it is already the second biggest miniatures KS ever, with almost 65 hours to go. The 48 hour reminder emails always bring in a bunch of backers, and the rate of pledges has been going up quickly. If it doesn't become the biggest, it will definitely be a solid second place for the miniatures category.

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Maybe this grub add-on will be unlocked by the time I get up tomorrow(2.261mil now). Hopefully the next reveal will be something really neat for the core. This scifi stuff is neat and all, but mostly useless for me. I imagine all these fantasy goals are uninteresting to the scifi fans as well.

As I had said earlier - Reaper is going to fill out the Expansions completely "No matter what"

Creator Reaper Miniatures 9 minutes ago

@Nrak - we are going to compact the reveals of Expansions 2 & 3, if that helps. Not all at once, more than the original plan. We just don; think of it as struggling... but we do think alike

When we get this last $6K or so to the next reveal, it should be one which inspires more confidence in Expansion #2 and #3 as being worth the $50.

**SilverMK2**

Regards the shipping - just hope they ship international packages in their correct wave rather than "waiting for a magic truck" or "hey, you knoe what, we don't have enough stuff/time/whatever before our next trade show so we are going to ship to all the US backers and ignore international backers for a couple of months".

Was a reasonably early backer last time and am wave 1 this time (ok, originally i think wave 3 but only brcause it took my phone ages to put a pledge through

) and i will be deeply unimpressed if they pull the same crap this time, especially given how much more i have pledged this time and how much i am paying extra for shipping...

**Sean_OBrien**

Interesting...wonder if they had second thoughts on doing this one with Mantic's Mars Attacks going on now.

**BobtheInquisitor**

They're... they're aliens. They sure are.

It's a thing that they are making them in plastic. A time will be had by all.

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It looks like someone tried to sculpt Mars Attacks aliens out of fondant.

**Cyporiean**

Its about time someone made some Norse minis.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Also, did they just halve the number of stretch goal expansions for the sci-fi expansion? Are we seriously supposed to believe that the UFO and some ~~castrated~~ rhinectomized Snorks were expected to make up several hundred thousand dollars' worth of backer excitement?

It comes across like Reaper doesn't believe they can draw this out like they had planned.

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Cyporiean, Asgard minis would have been awesome, but Reaper's trying to sell us this guy instead.

with a dash of

**SilverMK2**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Also, did they just halve the number of stretch goal expansions for the sci-fi expansion? Are we seriously supposed to believe that the UFO and some ~~castrated~~ rhinectomized Snorks were expected to make up several hundred thousand dollars' worth of backer excitement?

It comes across like Reaper doesn't believe they can draw this out like they had planned.

I believe they have saif they would compress stretch goals if required to make sure all the expansions were filled. Hopefullly that will also include all the freebies for core as well

The ufo looks pretty cool though.

**BobtheInquisitor**

At this point, I assume the next core freebie will look like Trogdor without the consummate V's.

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Yeah, the UFO will look pretty good after a pilot swap. Reminds me of Godzilla vs Monster Zero.

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Aaaaaaand, Reaper Bryan confirms our suspicions.

Jeff Khoury 36 minutes ago
I am glad that they are cutting back the reveals on the expansions. The switch from 3 stretch goals for the complete first expansion to 6 each for two concurrently running expansions really soured folks, as well as doing serious and irreparable harm to the momentum of this project. While trying to get all of these unlocks for expansions, there has been exactly one full (non-trick) unlock for the core in the past millions dollars, without the next one even in sight. KS 1 was lousy with core unlocks during that same funding period.
The core is how you draw in backers. You make the deal just too darn good to ignore. Then, when you hook em, you get them with the add-ons. The problem is that while this core is great, the core for Bones 1 was PHENOMENAL. With all the add-on this, expansion that, and add-on to the expansion those going on, they just ignored the core. Remember, this KS started out gangbusters, and has just been flat ever since. With better core support, they could have ridden that momentum to ridiculous heights. I think Reaper just looked at the success at the tail end of KS1 and just assumed it would be the same, without really appreciating why there was a mad scramble to pledge.
It was because the core of KS 1 was just too good to pass up, and once people were in for the core, they were happy to add more. This KS needs more core support, and it needs it now if they want to build up crazy momentum again. Right now, the tail end of this project is trending way behind the tail end of KS 1 (despite everyone who says so being called a troll) and I'm pretty sure Reaper knows it.

Bryan Stiltz 32 minutes ago
@Jeff Khoury - interesting analysis. We respectfully disagree.
This Core set represents the same monetary value - if you measure value only in terms of quantity, then we welcome you to fond another way to get 150+ models for $100. Otherwise, we are offering $500 MSRP of models for $100, JUST LIKE LAST TIME.
Thank you for telling me what we assumed and didn't, and please do not put words in my mouth.

Bryan Stiltz 31 minutes ago
I should also add that at 68 hours to go last time we still had not even raised @ million... so your math and premise are already flawed.
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Bryan Stiltz 24 minutes ago
Ok - If people re done telling us how we have failed at Kickstarter and that 150+ minis does not in fact represent a good value... \
Seriously - if all you want to do is tell us that this @2.25 Million dollar project is a miserable failure, please go tell Ed@reapermini (the CEO) that I was mean to you and you'll never back us again etc.
You guys wanted to see Bryanzilla... Here I am.
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The bad suspicions, obviously.

I'm starting to get a Raging Heroes vibe from this campaign, which just breaks my heart.

**Bolognesus**

...Wow, he sure isn't having his day. Feth, that's not a good way to deal with criticism (however annoying it might be).

**Ian Sturrock**

I think Bryan makes some fair points, personally! I find his honesty quite refreshing.

Yes, yes, the customer is always right. But if the customer is constantly moaning, trying to haggle for an even better deal, etc., at some point it's pretty fair for the shopkeeper to say, "Look, do you want to buy it, or not? You know the price, and you know what you're getting, and I've answered all your questions. If you don't want it, maybe you should stop hanging around in the shop, annoying my paying customers?"

**adhuin**

To be Fair, Kickstarter is a month long hagglefest, where Reaper is trying to entice us to spend more and customers are trying to get a better deal.

**General Seric**

Well, those aliens have eliminated the 3rd expansion for me. If they looked more like Asgard, then I would be fine with them... but those cheek bones and bodies...

I was hoping for some kind of sci-fi troops as the next part of expansion 3, not deformed greys.

**nkelsch**

Wow, the company with the business model of 'Make cheap proxies for other people's games' just got undercut by bones by them making 'even cheaper proxy for other people's games'.

Kinda funny.

**lord_blackfang**

I doubt Mantic will lose a single dollar over those.

**nkelsch**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I doubt Mantic will lose a single dollar over those.

When your customer base doesn't seem to care about miniature quality in sculpting, design, scale or casting and is willing to pay you money for models they will 'throw away'... when someone undercuts you, it can't be good.

I just think it is an interesting move for Reaper to make as those had to have been fresh designs.

**Hulksmash**

Hmmm.....I think I'm going to have to figure out if I like any of the specific models groups enough to single them out of the main group...At this point I'm not seeing the core adding enough stuff to grab. The third expansion did just go in the toilet for me as well.

I basically see $43 worth of cash to put down on this (the add-on dragons, sophie, bones, and the sylvan creatures). The rest of the sets or models I'd be interested in individually would just cost me more right now. No biggie. I'll probably be dropping back down to this. Though depending on how the second expansion pops I COULD pick it up. I really like the angels, shadow guys, and the riders and townguard don't stink.

Guess I'll make my decision in 48 hours or so

**highlord tamburlaine**

So it looks like I won't be getting expansion 3 after all... those guys are just lame looking.

The rest of the unlocks for it better make up for those cheesy looking greys.

Then again, expansion 2 hasn't enticed me yet either.

First one is the only one that really had stuff I would want to paint and mess around with.

Thanks goodness Shadows of Brimstone looks to give me all kinds of crap at this point!

**adhuin**

nkelsch wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I doubt Mantic will lose a single dollar over those.

When your customer base doesn't seem to care about miniature quality in sculpting, design, scale or casting and is willing to pay you money for models they will 'throw away'... when someone undercuts you, it can't be good.

I just think it is an interesting move for Reaper to make as those had to have been fresh designs.

Wait. Those martian sculpts are new?!? I thought they were ugly and barely detailed thanks to being old sculpts.

**Username Invalid**

adhuin wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I doubt Mantic will lose a single dollar over those.

When your customer base doesn't seem to care about miniature quality in sculpting, design, scale or casting and is willing to pay you money for models they will 'throw away'... when someone undercuts you, it can't be good.

I just think it is an interesting move for Reaper to make as those had to have been fresh designs.

Wait. Those martian sculpts are new?!? I thought they were ugly and barely detailed thanks to being old sculpts.

They're not new
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/alien/sku-down/50255
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/alien/sku-down/50252
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/alien/sku-down/50243

except the saucer.

Mind you, they're not exactly old either. They were released in 2011. They're sculpted by Bob Ridolfi, whose work seems to vary between stiff posing and gakky proportions with next to no detail and very high quality practical gaming minis that are some of my favourites in Reaper's catalogue.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Doesn't change the fact that they look like gak.

I guess they see an untapped market for these?

**nkelsch**

Username Invalid wrote:

except the saucer.

Very surprised that they are making a 'saucer' just out of nowhere.

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highlord tamburlaine wrote:

I guess they see an untapped market for these?

I think they do:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/551582.page

**Barzam**

Expansion 3 seems to have gotten significantly smaller. I'm not sure how I feel about the Greys. I was initially hoping their existing ones might find their way in. Seeing them now though, I'm not so interested. They do look kind of bad, but maybe it's just the photo? The metal ones don't look quite that bad. Regardless, I don't think I'll be adding any of the expansions after all.

**highlord tamburlaine**

The Mars Attack! Martians at least wear clothes and have a bit more personality. The Mantic game is also using the original cards as its source material, meaning the Martians are human sized instead of diminutive shrimps.
These guys though...

All I can say is I hope for something better around the corner!

Hell. I've only seen one proper lizardman in this whole campaign so far.

**frozenwastes**

So much for a good sci-fi expansion. The IMEF guys are grittier not-gears-of-war miniatures and what do they make to go with them as enemies? Greys. And a 1950s sci-fi flying saucer. Ugh.

There are some great miniatures to choose from in this set, but lumping in the terrain with the bathalians and greys was just a bad move. Hopefully in the last day they make options to pick individual components of the expansions. So the many people who might want the terrain don't have to be saddled with greys that don't match the IMEF in tone.

**czakk**

Bullette added to the core trick card: