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2013/10/24 16:46:58
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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I had just sold myself on bathalians and the k-whatevers and now they talked me out of it. Guess I'll see what the cargo container retails. Guess I'll leave the extra 50 in and pick up big stuff like mashaaf and hill giants or whatever crazy they tack on the end.
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2013/10/24 16:47:27
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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2013/10/24 16:54:38
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Fixture of Dakka
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YES!!! Now THAT is something I've wanted to see!
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm  (more)
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2013/10/24 16:54:54
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I love the burrowing horror, but the charbroil marks on his arms and legs make him look like play-doh sculpted with the side of a credit card.
But, still, the fun kind of play-doh.
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2013/10/24 17:13:03
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Sadly it looks like they did not finish sculpting that thing's legs...
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2013/10/24 17:29:23
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:I love the burrowing horror, but the charbroil marks on his arms and legs make him look like play-doh sculpted with the side of a credit card.
But, still, the fun kind of play-doh.
Yuah, its really at odds with how nice the rest of it looks.
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2013/10/24 17:35:45
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I love the burrowing horror, but the charbroil marks on his arms and legs make him look like play-doh sculpted with the side of a credit card. But, still, the fun kind of play-doh.
It's actually kind of a homage to the original. 
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2013/10/24 17:44:15
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Painting Within the Lines
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It could still very well be a WIP. Reaper had paper wings on one of the demon lord models for most of the Kickstarter.
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2013/10/24 17:52:23
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Sculptor "Hmmm How can I sculpt scales.... I Know!!! I'll take this piece of netting from the bundle of oranges I bought and press it into the green stuff!!!"
That has to be one of the most poorly sculpted large monsters I've seen in years.
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2013/10/24 17:54:33
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Aaaaaaand, Reaper Bryan confirms our suspicions.
Jeff Khoury 36 minutes ago
I am glad that they are cutting back the reveals on the expansions. The switch from 3 stretch goals for the complete first expansion to 6 each for two concurrently running expansions really soured folks, as well as doing serious and irreparable harm to the momentum of this project. While trying to get all of these unlocks for expansions, there has been exactly one full (non-trick) unlock for the core in the past millions dollars, without the next one even in sight. KS 1 was lousy with core unlocks during that same funding period.
The core is how you draw in backers. You make the deal just too darn good to ignore. Then, when you hook em, you get them with the add-ons. The problem is that while this core is great, the core for Bones 1 was PHENOMENAL. With all the add-on this, expansion that, and add-on to the expansion those going on, they just ignored the core. Remember, this KS started out gangbusters, and has just been flat ever since. With better core support, they could have ridden that momentum to ridiculous heights. I think Reaper just looked at the success at the tail end of KS1 and just assumed it would be the same, without really appreciating why there was a mad scramble to pledge.
It was because the core of KS 1 was just too good to pass up, and once people were in for the core, they were happy to add more. This KS needs more core support, and it needs it now if they want to build up crazy momentum again. Right now, the tail end of this project is trending way behind the tail end of KS 1 (despite everyone who says so being called a troll) and I'm pretty sure Reaper knows it.
Bryan Stiltz 32 minutes ago
@Jeff Khoury - interesting analysis. We respectfully disagree.
This Core set represents the same monetary value - if you measure value only in terms of quantity, then we welcome you to fond another way to get 150+ models for $100. Otherwise, we are offering $500 MSRP of models for $100, JUST LIKE LAST TIME.
Thank you for telling me what we assumed and didn't, and please do not put words in my mouth.
Bryan Stiltz 31 minutes ago
I should also add that at 68 hours to go last time we still had not even raised @ million... so your math and premise are already flawed.
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Bryan Stiltz 24 minutes ago
Ok - If people re done telling us how we have failed at Kickstarter and that 150+ minis does not in fact represent a good value... \
Seriously - if all you want to do is tell us that this @2.25 Million dollar project is a miserable failure, please go tell Ed@reapermini (the CEO) that I was mean to you and you'll never back us again etc.
You guys wanted to see Bryanzilla... Here I am.
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The bad suspicions, obviously.
I'm starting to get a Raging Heroes vibe from this campaign, which just breaks my heart.
Wow... the quote Bryan is responding to isn't even mean. He should've just sat on his typing hands... there is absolutely no benefit to responding like that, and of course a lot of drawbacks from a PR / momentum standpoint. Automatically Appended Next Post: Darn it, now I can't unsee that pattern on his arms and legs guys  . Otherwise, I really like that model.
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2013/10/24 18:00:30
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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Not to mention his legs are shorter than where his head ends up, making burrowing really really difficult.
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2013/10/24 18:48:44
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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The Bulette is subpar, for sure.
I'm hoping to they start throwing in multiple mini bundles to the core soon.
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2013/10/24 19:13:22
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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I love how Bryan threw a fit over the very concept of adding more minis to the core pledge to drum up interest. Because the very idea is wrong, you see.
Then the Burrower appeared.
Apparently someone more important than him at Reaper agrees with the whiny, twitter-weaned armchair quarterbacks. Stupid customers, telling Bryan what they would want to buy and bullying Reaper into adding more value to the lackluster Core pledge that the miserable pissons don't even deserve. Where do they get off?
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2013/10/24 19:21:44
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Fixture of Dakka
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I love how Bryan threw a fit over the very concept of adding more minis to the core pledge to drum up interest. Because the very idea is wrong, you see.
Then the Burrower appeared.
Apparently someone more important than him at Reaper agrees with the whiny, twitter-weaned armchair quarterbacks. Stupid customers, telling Bryan what they would want to buy and bullying Reaper into adding more value to the lackluster Core pledge that the miserable pissons don't even deserve. Where do they get off?
It seems most of the other 'cores' have been groups of 10$ worth of figs... That is maybe a 3$ retail fig by itself. I would have expected to see him with 4 or so man-sized figures or 1-2 other mid sized beasties.
I think Reaper has reached a point where I think they are 'good' with what they are releasing. Obviously if they could end it 'right now' I think they would and avoid risking slippage of people who pledged hard and drop because they expect KS1 levels. Lots of 'round 2' KS right now are having slippage issues as people throw down assuming it will be like last time and somehow it doesn't meet their expectations.
It is interesting. People are stingier this year with pledges and want more even though lots of KS lost money or barley broke even the first go around. So it will be interesting to see what happens.
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2013/10/24 19:40:11
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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 pretre wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:I love the burrowing horror, but the charbroil marks on his arms and legs make him look like play-doh sculpted with the side of a credit card.
But, still, the fun kind of play-doh.
It's actually kind of a homage to the original.
I wish it looked MORE like the original Bulette!
Remember, you don't have to be faster than a Bulette, you just have to be faster than the Halflings in your party!
Or, you could be an Elf.
Or maybe stand really close to one?
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2013/10/24 19:52:19
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Fixture of Dakka
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I love how Bryan threw a fit over the very concept of adding more minis to the core pledge to drum up interest. Because the very idea is wrong, you see.
Then the Burrower appeared.
Apparently someone more important than him at Reaper agrees with the whiny, twitter-weaned armchair quarterbacks. Stupid customers, telling Bryan what they would want to buy and bullying Reaper into adding more value to the lackluster Core pledge that the miserable pissons don't even deserve. Where do they get off?
... I feel your sarcasm is misplaced here. I'm assuming these "trick cards" were already planned in advance. They still have not revealed any "normal" additions to the Core pledge, such as numerians, pathfinder iconics, or the rats. I doubt Reaper has bowed to the armchair quarterbacks at all.
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40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
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2013/10/24 20:08:06
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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If it was planned in advance, wouldn't Bryan have mentioned more surprises coming up?
Besides, whether or not the trick card was planned, you have to admit that Bryan reacted in a very negative manner to well meaning Kiclstarter backers.
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2013/10/24 20:08:59
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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I actually don't think the Burrower looks that bad. The body looks well sculpted. It's just those legs. Maybe a bit of GS to cover up the poor sculpting there will make them better?
I kind of think that maybe Reaper should have put the extensions earlier in the campaign. Early on it was like every other stretch was a core upgrade. Maybe showing these off earlier, especially when things were moving at a breakneck pace would've garnered a bit more interest in them and gotten them all unlocked faster.
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2013/10/24 20:09:16
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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nkelsch wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It is interesting. People are stingier this year with pledges and want more even though lots of KS lost money or barley broke even the first go around. So it will be interesting to see what happens.
I think its just people have started receiving their stuff, and realized they wont be done painting it by the time the next glut arrives. I have a pile of Bones, Darklands, Impact Dungeon Chibis, Deepwars, Sedition Wars, Low Life, etc minis. I have basically the entire line of Relic Knights, Zombicide, Center Stage Tome of Horrors and Demons/Devils, Deadzone, Alien Host coming... at some point, even a good deal isnt enough if there's no chance its going to be painted.
And the packages in this one just werent appealing to me, outside of a few add ons. Anyone who did the first one got a zillion generic humanoid npc guys. I might need 8 lizardmen, or derro, or guards or whatever, but getting another pile of random pc/ npc guys a year and change later just doesnt tempt me when I have a pile I'll never get to by then anyways. I'll just get my derro at retail in January 2015, assuming my wife hasnt killed me by then for all the crap I've ordered and not gotten around to.
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2013/10/24 20:30:17
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Fixture of Dakka
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:If it was planned in advance, wouldn't Bryan have mentioned more surprises coming up?
Besides, whether or not the trick card was planned, you have to admit that Bryan reacted in a very negative manner to well meaning Kiclstarter backers.
Hasn't every e-mail and update mentioned more was being added to the core?(not to mention revealing the surprise beforehand defeats the purpose of the surprise).
I will admit that he reacted negatively, but I refuse to call them well-meaning IMHO. Most of what was said in that post was wrong, and Bryan set him straight. I doubt his comments will turn a large number of folks off from this kickstarter. It just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal(to me anyway).
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
Plus other games- miniature and cardboard both. |
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2013/10/24 20:46:58
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Clever crow minis has some painted photos of narthrax on their face page.
https://www.facebook.com/CleverCrowMinis/photos_stream Automatically Appended Next Post: 
Some more photos on the page, and some blurry spoiler shots of some other unrevealed minis being sculpted. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Per Reaper, the legs on the Bulette are not complete, they jumped the gun and posted a WIP. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bulette is funded, next up some large bases, which should be available in a few hours at current rates:
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2013/10/24 22:43:51
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:If it was planned in advance, wouldn't Bryan have mentioned more surprises coming up?
Besides, whether or not the trick card was planned, you have to admit that Bryan reacted in a very negative manner to well meaning Kiclstarter backers.
Link to negative reaction so I can read it please.
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2013/10/24 22:49:01
Subject: Re:Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sweet. Getting 3 inch bases is annoying considering its a standard base size for the biggest RPG out there.
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2013/10/24 23:12:31
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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 Phobos wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:If it was planned in advance, wouldn't Bryan have mentioned more surprises coming up?
Besides, whether or not the trick card was planned, you have to admit that Bryan reacted in a very negative manner to well meaning Kiclstarter backers.
Link to negative reaction so I can read it please.
He had copied them above - though I wouldn't call it negative, nor well meaning kickstarter backers.
A lot of the Kickstarter Backers are a bit like those people who go to a restaurant and order a steak. After they eat it all but a bit of gristle they call the manager and complain that they didn't like the food in order to get a free meal out of it. There is a big difference between constructive suggestions and complaining that there isn't enough free stuff in the core package.
ReaperBryan on the other hand gave a very short answer. It wasn't so much rude as it was blunt, stating the position as they saw it...as opposed to the way a particular commenter was making it out to be. Normally he is more diplomatic than that, but it took place at 2 in the morning after he had been up at work all day the previous day and had driven into work in order to post the update
He definitely could have said - "nope, you are wrong" with a smile, but the blunt answer he gave wasn't really rude, so much as it was just blunt. There was no name calling, simply stated that while they appreciated the opinion...the opinion was wrong (both regarding the value of the core set as well as the various aspects relating to the running of a campaign). Amongst other things, it was revealed that the final retail value of the core in this campaign is actually higher than that of the first campaign was when it finished. No doubt that is largely due to the larger average size of figures in the core this time versus the first one.
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2013/10/24 23:14:57
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Awww. That martian Dog would have been perfect!
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2013/10/24 23:18:26
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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 Sinful Hero wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:If it was planned in advance, wouldn't Bryan have mentioned more surprises coming up?
Besides, whether or not the trick card was planned, you have to admit that Bryan reacted in a very negative manner to well meaning Kiclstarter backers.
Hasn't every e-mail and update mentioned more was being added to the core?
Yes. That is why it is really much ado about nothing. They were still planning to add to the core, they just didn't want to have nothing left for today, tomorrow and Saturday when the pledges pick up and more people are watching more closely. Last hour was $10K, and this hour is shaping up to be even higher already. If the rate keeps pace or speeds up even more, they will fill out the remaining "revealed" goals pretty fast (by revealed I mean the rest of the expansions).
They also don't want to have paid options at the very, very end again as if they have a repeat of last year in the final few hours a lot of people will feel like they missed out because the servers bog down or crash.
Automatically Appended Next Post:  Fenriswulf wrote:Not to mention his legs are shorter than where his head ends up, making burrowing really really difficult.
Not much they could do about that part. The books and art all show it with a "shark" like head that sticks out well past where its legs could reach. They could reengineer the beast, but then it would be lost on a lot of people who expect a land shark to look a specific way.
Granted, I am not a fan of the texture on the legs and think the texture on the belly would look better if it had been extended all the way down the legs. Should be a pretty easy fix though - and then of course a good chance that I will just cut the legs off entirely and have it bursting out of the ground instead.
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2013/10/24 23:23:45
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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The legs are being fixed by the sculptor apparently.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Clever crow has pulled down a photo that basically showed a tarrasque being sculpted.
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2013/10/24 23:26:14
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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czakk wrote:The legs are being fixed by the sculptor apparently.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Clever crow has pulled down a photo that basically showed a tarrasque being sculpted.
Great news about the Legs!
It does look like a Tarrasque... I can't wait to start seeing more stuff!
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2013/10/24 23:26:33
Subject: Re:Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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Looks like the old standing tarrasque artwork.
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2013/10/24 23:32:47
Subject: Reaper Bones II: $2.225M, $2.275M Great Old One Worm, $2.387M Shadow Monsters - 76 hours to go
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nkelsch wrote:
When your customer base doesn't seem to care about miniature quality in sculpting, design, scale or casting and is willing to pay you money for models they will 'throw away'... when someone undercuts you, it can't be good.
I just think it is an interesting move for Reaper to make as those had to have been fresh designs.
I haven't gone over all of them - but some of them are newish designs looking at them. However, they will have been in the pipeline for quite awhile in order to be ready right now.
In terms of the specific sculpts, they are not that bad - considering the subject matter. Unfortunately, there are not many good descriptions that come from those on the receiving end of the probe. As a result, pop culture descriptions are not the greatest. Making them more delicate would be difficult in the scale - in metal, plastic or resin. These guys are a bit under 1" tall, so those legs and arms are very thin. Once painted up though - they work pretty good for playing games of "They came from beyond the still" or other Rednecks versus Alien games. Not as nice as the Griffin Aliens - but those are long OOP, and were not in large enough circulation in order to be readily available second hand. Other grey alien options are even more comical than these (and Reaper makes a set of those too).
For the Mars Attacks type aliens, Reaper has had those for a good while as well.
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