SUV vs Motorcycle. You knew someone was going to start this thread.

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**Andrew1975**

If you don't know the story here it is. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/01/20772232-1-biker-charged-another-critical-in-nyc-range-rover-chase?lite
Go at it Dakka!

A clash between a pack of motorcyclists and a Range Rover on a Manhattan highway — which triggered a harrowing chase caught on a viral video — has left one biker facing charges and a second in critical condition.

Edwin "Jay" Mieses, 32, could be paralyzed after being run over during the chaos, a relative said.

“He was an innocent bystander,” Mieses’ aunt, Delilah Domenech, told NBC News on Tuesday, saying her nephew was checking on another motorcyclist when he was struck by the panicked motorist.

A third biker involved in the incident, who was sought by the NYPD after being caught on camera punching the window of the Range Rover, turned himself in on Tuesday, sources told NBC New York.
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The violent scene unfolded Sunday afternoon when up to 30 motorcyclists taking part in an unauthorized daredevil rally called Hollywood Stuntz took to the West Side Highway.

Video taken by a helmet camera shows the pack zooming around the the Range Rover of Alexian Lien, 33, who was out for a drive with his wife and 2-year-old daughter, police said.

One biker, identified by police as Christopher Cruz, 23, of New Jersey, slowed down right in front of the SUV and gestured at Lien, who clipped the motorcycle, the video shows.

Deliliah Domenech

Jay Mieses' family says he may be paralyzed from the waist down after being injured Sunday during a clash between bikers and a Range Rover in Manhattan

The group of riders then surrounded Lien's vehicle.

"They take their helmets and start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there with a knife," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

Mieses, who lives in Lawrence, Mass., can be seen on the video getting off his green bike to check on Cruz, his aunt said. He was standing near the SUV when Lien suddenly took off and ran over him, she said.

Police said Mieses suffered two broken legs, but family members said his injuries were far more severe and include a torn aorta, broken ribs and spinal damage that will probably leave him paralyzed.

“He damaged my son’s life forever," his mother, Yolando Santiago, told NBC affiliate WHDH. "He is never going to walk again."

After Lien took off, other members of the crew forced him on a harrowing chase. They cornered him at one point and managed to yank open his door, but he gunned it and sped away again, the video posted on You Tube shows.

After a 50-block northbound pursuit, he got off the highway and stopped on a side street in upper Manhattan, where video shows one motorcyclist smashing in the window with a helmet.

Police said the gang pulled Lien out of the car and assaulted him in front of his wife and child, slashing his face and chest. He was treated and released from Columbia University Medical Center.

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Christopher Cruz slows his motorcycle down in front of a Range Rover on Mahattan's West Side Highway on Sunday, Sept. 29, in this image from a video posted on YouTube. Cruz has been arrested by police after his clash with the Range Rover triggered a wild chase and beating by a pack of fellow bikers bent on revenge.

Cruz, who was also injured, was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, and endangering the welfare of a child for his actions on the road, officials told NBC New York.

Police said the investigation is continuing and they are still looking for up to 30 bikers.

Domenech said her family is upset that most of the attention from the incident is focused on Lien and not her nephew, a married father of a 10-year-old and a 14-year-old.

"This man with a Range Rover and luxury lifestyle — it's OK for him to do something to someone because he rides a bike or has tattoos?" she said.

She said she didn't know if the driver should be charged.

"But it should be acknowledged that what he did was wrong," she said. "He had many other options but he chose the violent one."

Asked whether Lien was within his legal rights to leave the scene of the intial accident, Kelly said, "It depends on what the circumstances are."

"It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing,” he said.

"Obviously, if you can get out of there without hurting someone, that’s what we advise you to do," he added. "There’s no one-size-fits-all to a situation like this."

Kelly said the bikers did not have a permit for the rally and the NYPD only learned of the gathering — in its second year — through social media.

He said police had fanned out around Manhattan to watch for trouble, arresting 15 bikers and confiscating 55 motorcycles unrelated to the attack on the Range Rover.

This story has everything, Class warfare, Racial overtones, and rappers.

And check out Justice for Jay Meezee on facebook. Its hilarious.

**hotsauceman1**

My dad was a hells Angel. If there are one group of people you do not mess with it is bikers. I heard some stories of a man being killed with a Pool Cue.

**Andrew1975**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
My dad was a hells Angel. If there are one group of people you do not mess with it is bikers. I heard some stories of a man being killed with a Pool Cue.

While riding? Kind of impressive.

**hotsauceman1**

No, when riding it often involved chains and rocky roads. But most of this was inane ramblings from and old man

**pities2004**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
My dad was a hells Angel. If there are one group of people you do not mess with it is bikers. I heard some stories of a man being killed with a Pool Cue.

The SUV wasn't purposely trying to hurt the biker, he stopped and normally when not swarmed by a bunch of men who should know better, he would of called 9-11 helped the biker and the normal traffic scene would ensue. However in this scenario the biker GANG yes GANG, assaulted the SUV so when the SUV driver tried to PROTECT his family they followed him and nearly beat him to death. Yes crap happens and he had to run over three bikers, but wouldn't you if you were in the scenario? If he had a sidearm he would of pumped holes in those bikers and the situation would of gotten worse.

**Alfndrate**

I laughed when the SUV tore out of there. I'm a terrible person, but when the video showed the biker stopping as he did to get hit by the SUV, I had no sympathy.

**pities2004**

Alfndrate wrote:
I laughed when the SUV tore out of there. I'm a terrible person, but when the video showed the biker stopping as he did to get hit by the SUV, I had no sympathy.

Agreed, bikers will be arrested, and prosecuted.

SUV driver won't spend a day behind bars, rightfully so.

I don't like bullies.

**hotsauceman1**

pities2004 wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
My dad was a hells Angel. If there are one group of people you do not mess with it is bikers. I heard some stories of a man being killed with a Pool Cue.

The SUV wasn't purposely trying to hurt the biker, he stopped and normally when not swarmed by a bunch of men who should know better, he would of called 9-11 helped the biker and the normal traffic scene would ensue. However in this scenario the biker GANG yes GANG, assaulted the SUV so when the SUV driver tried to PROTECT his family they followed him and nearly beat him to death. Yes crap happens and he had to run over three bikers, but wouldn't you if you were in the scenario? If he had a sidearm he would of pumped holes in those bikers and the situation would of gotten worse.

Where is my post did I say that I had my sympathies with the bikers(Other then the first one ran over)? What they did was wrong. What I was saying is the bikers are hardcore scary They would make Gandbangers from west oakland piss their pants. When my dad saw a group of bikers on the free way onetime he let them pass as he went to the side of the road. They are scary MOFOs.

**Ouze**

No one is currently charged with anything, though it won't remain that way for long.

**nels1031**

Yep. About a third of my customer base is goons like these bikers.

They try to take over entire roads to do stunts and such, always a pain in the ass. SUV driver was entirely justified in what he did. Had it been the SUV hitting a biker who was driving legitimately with a group, instead of the group trying to take over an entire expressway for bike related tomfoolery and shenanigans, and the SUV had driven off without checking on the biker, I'd be on the bikers side. But the bikers were in the wrong from the start.

Bikers were being asshats, driver was trying to protect his family, plain and simple. If I were the driver, there would've been alot more bikers hurt if they were trying to chase me.

Here in Baltimore, a few years back a driver hit some punk kid driving illegally on a dirt bike in the city with a group, stopped to see if the kid was alright, group circled around and he was beaten to near death(or even death, can't remember) for his troubles.

Douchebags like this ruin motorcycling for the 99% that do the right thing.

**hotsauceman1**

So all it took was a clip for these guys to go off? Wow those dudes are idiots.
They arent even riding real bikes, they are riding crotch rockets and hair dryers.

**Alfndrate**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So all it took was a clip for these guys to go off? Wow those dudes are idiots.
They arent even riding real bikes, they are riding crotch rockets and hair dryers.

It seems like it was most likely planned. "Hey Jim, I'm gonna get 'hit' by this SUV, then we surround him and beat the gak out of him, that'll be fun!"

And then the SUV drives over them

**hotsauceman1**

It does kinda seem that way.
Also, If they want to be tough bikers, Why are they wearing those pussy full visor helmets?

**TheSGC**

Good for the SUV driver. Next time, go full-on Halo 1 and run them all over with your warthog/SUV.

**Ouze**

Alfndrate wrote:
And then the SUV drives over them

Achievement unlocked.

**Necros**

Lots of bikers are scary .. there's a few gangs from my general area but I never had any run ins with em.. not like they hang out in game shops, so I don't have to worry.

Lots of bikers are gonna get in trouble for this, all because one of their buddies filmed it and was smart enough to share it with the world.

**pities2004**

Ouze wrote:
No one is currently charged with anything, though it won't remain that way for long.

Another biker, Christopher Cruz, 28, was in court Wednesday facing misdemeanor charges including reckless driving. Cruz's attorney told reporters that his client is not guilty.

He was to be released after posting $1,500 cash bail and a $15,000 insurance bond. In addition, his license was suspended and he was ordered to surrender his passport.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/new-york-bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

**filbert**

Gouranga!

**Andrew1975**

Lots of bikers are gonna get in trouble for this, all because one of their buddies filmed it and was smart enough to share it with the world.

What's funny is this guy posted a bunch of videos of he and his buddies doing all kinds of illegal activities on bikes. These activities include speeding, running red lights, driving on sidewalks and stopping other cars and damaging other cars. Pretty much proving that the driver of the SUV did the right thing.

Of course some people are claiming he was just an innocent bystander who got struck trying to help another motorcyclist. Seems to me he was hanging out with a bunch of donkeycaves.

**PrehistoricUFO**

Bikers. Just because you own a bike doesn't make you a vigilante or outlaw or bad ass or . . . anything really. *rolls eyes*

**Frazzled**

pities2004 wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
I laughed when the SUV tore out of there. I'm a terrible person, but when the video showed the biker stopping as he did to get hit by the SUV, I had no sympathy.

Agreed, bikers will be arrested, and prosecuted.

SUV driver won't spend a day behind bars, rightfully so.

I don't like bullies.

This is NY. Charges have already been dropped against two of the prime offenders.
Remember when seconds count, the police are only minutes away (nine evidently).

**timetowaste85**

When I saw the video earlier today, I thought it looked like he hit the first bike and tore out of there to avoid being attacked and was then followed. In which case I thought the SUV driver was a feth-head. Reading the article, it paints a much different picture. And with a gang attacking and slashing the tires with a two year old daughter in the car, he did the right thing as a parent. There isn't always a situation that allows a "right" outcome. This was one of those.

**Manchu**

Andrew1975 wrote:
Of course some people are claiming he was just an innocent bystander who got struck trying to help another motorcyclist.

This is the story being touted on the FB page set up by his ... uncle I guess?

**Ouze**

pities2004 wrote:
Ouze wrote:
No one is currently charged with anything, though it won't remain that way for long.

Another biker, Christopher Cruz, 28, was in court Wednesday facing misdemeanor charges including reckless driving. Cruz's attorney told reporters that his client is not guilty.

He was to be released after posting $1,500 cash bail and a $15,000 insurance bond. In addition, his license was suspended and he was ordered to surrender his passport.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/new-york-bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

I take, like 20% of the blame for that error, and put 80% back on CNN's lousy editing.

**Necroshea**

My family always tells me that bikes are death traps waiting to happen. I keep telling them it's not that bad, as most of the time it's these arse hats doing crazy stuff that get smeared over a highway, but they never believe me.

Oh how I hate these kinds of riders.

**Ouze**

A CHALLENGER APPEARS!

Biker injured in NYC clash with SUV hires celebrity attorney Gloria Allred
By Alexander Smith and Tracy Connor, NBC News

A motorcyclist who may be paralyzed after being run over during a clash between bikers and a Range Rover on a New York City highway has hired high-profile lawyer Gloria Allred.

Edwin “Jay” Mieses, 33, is in critical condition with a crushed spine, two broken legs and other injuries from Sunday’s confrontation, captured on a viral video that has drawn more than 4 million hits on YouTube.

"There's no hope for his back," his wife, Dayana Meises, told reporters on Tuesday. "They broke it in two different places, so he will be forever, forever paralyzed."

The wife of one of the bikers who was injured when a motorist in an SUV fled a biker attack wants charges against the driver. But police say he did what he had to do to get away and protect his family, and that charges against him aren't likely. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.

The family issued a statement on Wednesday night asking for privacy and announcing it had hired Allred, a media-savvy Los Angeles lawyer who usually specializes in women rights and sexual harassment cases.

She has represented people in suits against high-profile defendants ranging from Michael Jackson and Arnold Schwarzenegger to former congressman Anthony Weiner and former San Diego mayor Bob Filner.

They also retained a New York lawyer, Mariann Meier Wang. Both lawyers had no comment on whether the family is planning legal action.

Police say Mieses — a father of two from Lawrence, Mass. -- was struck by Alexian Lien’s SUV when he sped away from a pack of bikers who were attacking his vehicle after a fender-bender.

The swarm of riders chased Lien for 50 blocks before cornering him, smashing in his windows, yanking him out and beating him in front of his wife and 2-year-old child, police said.

Police later arrested two of the bikers, but prosecutors declined to pursue charges against one of them.

Allen Edwards, 42, of Queens, was seen hitting the Range Rover with his hands but there is no indication he participated in the beating and he actually may have tried to help the SUV driver, sources told NBC New York.

"We are taking Sunday's crimes extremely seriously, and will proceed with charges in a manner that enables us to build the strongest cases possible," Karen Friedman-Agnifilo of the Manhattan district attorney's office said in a statement.

"Prematurely charging individuals with low-level crimes does not further the goals of the investigation, and could weaken the cases we expect to bring against the perpetrators of serious crimes."

Deliliah Domenech
Jay Mieses' family says he may be paralyzed from the waist down after being injured Sunday during a clash between bikers and a Range Rover in Manhattan.

Meanwhile, the biker who is accused of causing the fender-bender that set off the chase appeared in a Manhattan courtroom to face charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment.

The video, made by a helmet camera, shows Cruz cutting in front of the Range Rover, slowing down and gesturing at the driver before Lien apparently clipped his back tire.

Bikers then converged on the SUV and, police say, pounded on it and slashed a tire. That’s when Lien sped off in a panic, running over Mieses.

Cruz’s lawyer, H. Benjamin Perez, said outside court that his client wasn’t trying to trap Lien and didn’t take part in the chase or attack.

“I wouldn’t classify it as a deliberate attempt to block the car,” Perez said. “Even if his motorcycle slowed down, he had nothing to do with what happened with this gentleman.”

Police have not charged Lien but said the investigation is continuing.

Asked whether Lien was within his legal rights to race away from the scene of his accident with Cruz, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said he might have been.

"It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing,” he said Tuesday.

"Obviously, if you can get out of there without hurting someone, that’s what we advise you to do," he added. "There’s no one-size-fits-all to a situation like this."
I
t’s unclear if Lien, who has not spoken publicly, has a lawyer. A spokesperson for the Internet company where he works said earlier this week there was no comment.

**djones520**

Manchu wrote:
Andrew1975 wrote:
Of course some people are claiming he was just an innocent bystander who got struck trying to help another motorcyclist.
This is the story being touted on the FB page set up by his ... uncle I guess?

Or his wife. She was screaming blue bloody murder that her husband was only a victim of a madman.

**TheSGC**

djones520 wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Andrew1975 wrote:
Of course some people are claiming he was just an innocent bystander who got struck trying to help another motorcyclist.
This is the story being touted on the FB page set up by his ... uncle I guess?

Or his wife. She was screaming blue bloody murder that her husband was only a victim of a madman.

Evidently the dude has been arrested for possession of drugs and whatnot several times already...

**hotsauceman1**

Ouze wrote:
A CHALLENGER APPEARS!

Biker injured in NYC clash with SUV hires celebrity attorney Gloria Allred
By Alexander Smith and Tracy Connor, NBC News

A motorcyclist who may be paralyzed after being run over during a clash between bikers and a Range Rover on a New York City highway has hired high-profile lawyer Gloria Allred.

Edwin “Jay” Mieses, 33, is in critical condition with a crushed spine, two broken legs and other injuries from Sunday’s confrontation, captured on a viral video that has drawn more than 4 million hits on YouTube.

"There's no hope for his back," his wife, Dayana Meises, told reporters on Tuesday. "They broke it in two different places, so he will be forever, forever paralyzed."

The wife of one of the bikers who was injured when a motorist in an SUV fled a biker attack wants charges against the driver. But police say he did what he had to do to get away and protect his family, and that charges against him aren't likely. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.

The family issued a statement on Wednesday night asking for privacy and announcing it had hired Allred, a media-savvy Los Angeles lawyer who usually specializes in women rights and sexual harassment cases.

She has represented people in suits against high-profile defendants ranging from Michael Jackson and Arnold Schwarzenegger to former congressman Anthony Weiner and former San Diego mayor Bob Filner.

They also retained a New York lawyer, Mariann Meier Wang. Both lawyers had no comment on whether the family is planning legal action.

Police say Mieses — a father of two from Lawrence, Mass. -- was struck by Alexian Lien’s SUV when he sped away from a pack of bikers who were attacking his vehicle after a fender-bender.

The swarm of riders chased Lien for 50 blocks before cornering him, smashing in his windows, yanking him out and beating him in front of his wife and 2-year-old child, police said.

Police later arrested two of the bikers, but prosecutors declined to pursue charges against one of them.

Allen Edwards, 42, of Queens, was seen hitting the Range Rover with his hands but there is no indication he participated in the beating and he actually may have tried to help the SUV driver, sources told NBC New York.

"We are taking Sunday's crimes extremely seriously, and will proceed with charges in a manner that enables us to build the strongest cases possible," Karen Friedman-Agnifilo of the Manhattan district attorney's office said in a statement.

"Prematurely charging individuals with low-level crimes does not further the goals of the investigation, and could weaken the cases we expect to bring against the perpetrators of serious crimes."

Deliliah Domenech
Jay Mieses' family says he may be paralyzed from the waist down after being injured Sunday during a clash between bikers and a Range Rover in Manhattan.

Meanwhile, the biker who is accused of causing the fender-bender that set off the chase appeared in a Manhattan courtroom to face charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment.

The video, made by a helmet camera, shows Cruz cutting in front of the Range Rover, slowing down and gesturing at the driver before Lien apparently clipped his back tire.

Bikers then converged on the SUV and, police say, pounded on it and slashed a tire. That’s when Lien sped off in a panic, running over Mieses.

Cruz’s lawyer, H. Benjamin Perez, said outside court that his client wasn’t trying to trap Lien and didn’t take part in the chase or attack.

“I wouldn’t classify it as a deliberate attempt to block the car,” Perez said. “Even if his motorcycle slowed down, he had nothing to do with what happened with this gentleman.”

Police have not charged Lien but said the investigation is continuing.

Asked whether Lien was within his legal rights to race away from the scene of his accident with Cruz, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said he might have been.

"It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing,” he said Tuesday.

"Obviously, if you can get out of there without hurting someone, that’s what we advise you to do," he added. "There’s no one-size-fits-all to a situation like this."
I
t’s unclear if Lien, who has not spoken publicly, has a lawyer. A spokesperson for the Internet company where he works said earlier this week there was no comment.

Wait, Did the Family hire The famous Attorney or did the biker?

**Ahtman**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wait, Did the Family hire The famous Attorney or did the biker?

Yes.