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 Manchu wrote:
$10/mini would not be reasonable for 28mm. Whether we're talking about a skirmish game or not is immaterial. Although GW must love you.

There is a difference between quality for something like Eirik Longaxe


and horse-face cone-tits


They are both the same price.

I have zero problems paying for quality. GW charges "quality" prices for "mediocrity" sculpts. If I get mediocre sculpts, I want them for super cheap.

If Prodos makes a true scale 28mm USCM accurately modeled precisely from the film, I have no problem paying 10 bucks per marine (but I doubt they will be that expensive).

Horse-face cone-tits actually got a genuine LOL from me!

I think Prodos are going to have to stuff this up spectacularly to not get my backing when it comes around, although I call shotgun on the Pred, y'all can divvy up the rest between you!

^might wanna edit that.


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Well done. I laughed at both though.

$10 bucks for a good sculpt is a no-brainer for me - if it's for a game where I'm only using 10 or 15 figs, I'm actually going to notice quality a great deal. Large-scale regimented fantasy wargaming? I'll take bulk $2-3/mini.
But you'll be bulk painting there anyway. With skirmish sized games you're painting stuff one by one, actually having fun picking out details rather than planning how to batch paint as efficiently as possible.
Yeah, I've got a pretty fixed idea of acceptable price/quality ratios, but the quality I want to see varies greatly with the kind of game I'm playing with them.
Infinity and Darklands, there's time to fool around with a couple of distinctive sculpts for nights on end - I've done that with larger scale systems and not gotten an army done for years on end. No thank you; spray/base/dry/dip is basically the most I'm going for there, and then, suddenly, sculpt quality starts to not matter. Not really for playing, and not really for painting either.
Skirmish stuff? Heh. Every mini an adventure to paint (if only because, with for example infinity, stuff is so distinctively different you'll be spending time figuring out what the hell to paint how exactly) so $10, or even $15-20, isn't really an issue.

...Of course they better damn well make sure the quality is up there with the best of 'em.

And to an extent there's a problem with AvP really, for me (or rather for them, with customers like me): I'm sure there's plenty of options for great sculpts, but I'll take 3-10 aliens (and more likely three than ten!) and a few predators, for whatever-purpose-I-haven't-even-started-to-figure (besides painting, that is), and that's it.
Now I'm not all that deeply 'into' the universe, but I can't see myself spending much on something which, to me as someone who's only seen the movies, by design involves a small handful of individual monsters and whatever handful of 'survivors'/'victims' one manages to scrounge up for the next not-all-that-greatly-written plot-fulla-holes (but with cool monsters!).
I'm curious to see if there's any kind of a game plan - besides yet another ruleset - they have for dragging folks, who would otherwise back only for a very, very low amount, up to a pledge level they'd be able to make more of a profit with.

@Kroothawk: Other things being equal, expensive licenses cost more because they sell more.

@Others: I can understand the idea of paying for quality. I don't think $10/mini is that good a deal, however. We are talking about a 2" tall toy soldier here guys, let's try to keep things in perspective.

What I don't understand is why it's okay to charge more simply because a game requires less figures. That's just being a sucker.

 Manchu wrote:
@Kroothawk: Other things being equal, expensive licenses cost more because they sell more.

@Others: I can understand the idea of paying for quality. I don't think $10/mini is that good a deal, however. We are talking about a 2" tall toy soldier here guys, let's try to keep things in perspective.

What I don't understand is why it's okay to charge more simply because a game requires less figures. That's just being a sucker.

Oh, I agree on that. That's the idea with GW's "Goldswords" pricing policy (charge more for figures that the average gamer will use less of in their army), or any company that charges you more for a "character" because you only need one. (was quite happy buying my Anglo-Danish warlord for SAGA for what, 3 or 4 bucks? no problemo!)

Basically:
I don't want to pay a bunch of money for crap even if I only use a small amount of crap.
But, If something is well sculpted then I have no problem paying for the artist's skill:

Robert A. Heinlein wrote:All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with not more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
^might wanna edit that.


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Well done. I laughed at both though.

I spotted it as soon as I posted, stupid auto correct.

I was tempted to leave it, but my conscience got the better of me!

 azreal13 wrote:
Horse-face cone-tits actually got a genuine LOL from me!

the expression is the worst. looks like a drag queen in a dark bar throatily whispering to you, "heeeyyy baby, you look so strong, buy me a drink?"

sorry, way off topic

Where is the $10 a figure-figure coming from?

How much are the Warzone miniatures? Would guess they would be pretty similar.

Sooo.... When is this gonna start already?

 Pacific wrote:
Where is the $10 a figure-figure coming from?

How much are the Warzone miniatures? Would guess they would be pretty similar.

I think the initial pricing is in comparison to other 28mm skirmishes on the market rather than an official number. It's an upper limit of what people are saying they're comfortable with provided the sculpts aren't complete gak.

Yeah, that was just one of those things someone pulled out of his rear end and someone else then took for fact.

I'll take a guess it's not going to be too far off, looking at warzone pricing though

That's a good point - what is "Warzone Pricing" looking like?

 cincydooley wrote:
Sooo.... When is this gonna start already?

Yeah exactly!

We want decent pictures and info!

Dooo eeeet, Prodos!

 Alpharius wrote:
That's a good point - what is "Warzone Pricing" looking like?

http://warzonegame.com/categories-list.html

Average "Troop" 3.72 usd per figure.

"troop"!="hero" though - and I am assuming both "A" and "P" to be somewhat larger than their human opponents, and priced as hero sculpts to boot. Add licensing costs and keep in mind JudgeDoug and I are arguing RRP, not KS pricing (I assume, on JD's part ), and you're well on your way there.

So.. perhaps $6-7 each, somewhere around that figure assuming that this is a skirmish-level game?

I'd guess "line" stuff like marines etc to clock in around there, wouldn't hope for either the A or the P to clock in around that price unless there's going to be line units of either. Best you can do is probably wait for the KS, though.

Warzone heroes are already >$10 RRP (7.20 quid ish), troops are around $3,50-4 a pop (just under 2,50 quid) but that's basic troops primalexile seems to be going by - anything more interesting hits the 10 bucks pretty fast.
That's with a rather less expensive license, in all likelihood, so I'd be surprised if A/P were going to be under that even at KS pricing.

I don't mind paying $10 for a 28-ish-mm fig if it's a leader or special character, as long as the reg'lar troops are cheaper.. They should do em in box sets though. Like a squad 9 marines + leader for whatever price.. and then maybe you can buy em separately or in packs of like 3 too, so you can expand easy.

I wouldn't be surprised if these have a slightly higher price tag than Warzone though... they will likely have to pay a royalty fee for every product sold, so that will have to get factored into the retail price too. Most of the time when you license an IP (at least the ones I looked into) you have to pay X amount up front, followed by X over a certain time period, plus X% royalties on everything you sell.

That is what warzone does, basically (the boxing squads thing) - although it's mostly boxes of five from what I see.

The more leverage you have, the easier it is to just get "lump sum" licensing fees, though. Prodos seems to have established themselves a bit (not saying you haven't, just that their scale seems a bit bigger ) - OTOH licensing from some huge media company might offset that more than a bit.

Still, isn't the Aliens etc. IP largely dead, outside of established circles? Wanting to drum some cash out of an essentially dormant IP could help there.
...Oh well, all speculation anyway

 Bolognesus wrote:

Still, isn't the Aliens etc. IP largely dead, outside of established circles? Wanting to drum some cash out of an essentially dormant IP could help there.
...Oh well, all speculation anyway

Prometheus (which is the Alien IP with nobs on) made getting on half a billion $ worldwide, with a sequel on the way, Colonial Marines sold more than a million copies despite being critically panned. So as far as franchises go I'd say not too shabby (certainly the 'Alien' part), despite Twentieth Century Fox's attempts to sink 2 franchises in a single film! I guess not as lucrative as Star Wars for their X-Wing game, but then what is?

...Well that goes to show how much attention I've been paying to this IP over the last five years or so. Never mind me, then

 Necros wrote:
I don't mind paying $10 for a 28-ish-mm fig if it's a leader or special character, as long as the reg'lar troops are cheaper

Just as a reminder: This one is 30 US$:

WIP

Awesome! Looks like our friend from the OG Predator.

 Bolognesus wrote:
"troop"!="hero" though - and I am assuming both "A" and "P" to be somewhat larger than their human opponents, and priced as hero sculpts to boot. Add licensing costs and keep in mind JudgeDoug and I are arguing RRP, not KS pricing (I assume, on JD's part ), and you're well on your way there.

That RRP sounds like a great way for Prodos to regret grabbing this license. A few people are happy with $10 aliens (a horde creature) because they only want 3 or 4, so naturally that makes it a good decision for the whole company, right?

I reiterate, $5 per figure is probably too much if they want this game to have any legs at all. Otherwise, you can all have your $10 aliens line your shelves next to your Mongoose Minis Babylon 5 ships and Starship Troopers skinnies.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Necros wrote:
I don't mind paying $10 for a 28-ish-mm fig if it's a leader or special character, as long as the reg'lar troops are cheaper

Just as a reminder: This one is 30 US$:

Well, yeah. I mean it has a flying skull masked sword holding baby on the dude's shoulder. Totally makes it worth at least 30 bucks. Hell, a flying skull masked sword carrying baby always increases value. Everyone knows that.

Oooooh very intriguing!

This is becoming like some kind of peep-show, how can we see more flesh?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
"troop"!="hero" though - and I am assuming both "A" and "P" to be somewhat larger than their human opponents, and priced as hero sculpts to boot. Add licensing costs and keep in mind JudgeDoug and I are arguing RRP, not KS pricing (I assume, on JD's part ), and you're well on your way there.

That RRP sounds like a great way for Prodos to regret grabbing this license. A few people are happy with $10 aliens (a horde creature) because they only want 3 or 4, so naturally that makes it a good decision for the whole company, right?

I reiterate, $5 per figure is probably too much if they want this game to have any legs at all. Otherwise, you can all have your $10 aliens line your shelves next to your Mongoose Minis Babylon 5 ships and Starship Troopers skinnies.

I think there are far too many variables out there (that we don't know about yet) to be able to make those kind of strong statements.

 CptJake wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Necros wrote:
I don't mind paying $10 for a 28-ish-mm fig if it's a leader or special character, as long as the reg'lar troops are cheaper

Just as a reminder: This one is 30 US$:

Well, yeah. I mean it has a flying skull masked sword holding baby on the dude's shoulder. Totally makes it worth at least 30 bucks. Hell, a flying skull masked sword carrying baby always increases value. Everyone knows that.

And you forget the premium base which you can't even see , what a waste of plastic.

I'm in if the kickstarter is cheap, low model count. If it's massed hordes forget it. It would be great if the game is scale able for whatever size you want to play, but not getting my hopes up. Also sad I threw out those busted plastic Easter eggs a few weeks ago, could use them as stand in alien eggs.

And one more for today.