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2013/10/11 02:31:51
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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As the title states, which Primarch do you feel is the most "badass" or "hardest" out of the bunch, (all primarchs are considered w/out deamon possession or gifts for this please)
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Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
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2013/10/11 02:40:24
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Angorn i believe because of the gladiator past. But thats just for 1v1 melee. My favorite is actually dorn, but had to vote angorn for this.
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2013/10/11 02:50:04
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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this doesnt have to be limited to 1v1 combat prowess, can be just, in general, which primarch is the best of them :3
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
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2013/10/11 03:17:57
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Gotta go with The Lion.
Had the second most successful legion and he knocked Leman Russ out.
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2013/10/11 03:20:55
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The lion is a normal primarch and he's winning?!
WTF MAN!!!
That's just wrong. If your answer is not Sanguinius, Angron, or Magnus you need to read more.
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2013/10/11 03:23:59
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Been Around the Block
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 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:The lion is a normal primarch and he's winning?!
WTF MAN!!!
That's just wrong. If your answer is not Sanguinius, Angron, or Magnus you need to read more.
The Lion grew up killing demons on Caliban with his bare hands like it was nothing
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2013/10/11 03:25:21
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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All around, Horus. Brilliant leader pre-Heresy. Skilled in combat too, he's killed Sanguinius and is said to be one of the only other primarchs to be Angron in a duel. And mortally wounded the Emperor himself.
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Orks: 3000
Chaos Daemons: 1750
Warriors of Chaos: 2000
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2013/10/11 03:25:54
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Hold on. How is it anyone other than Horus? First found. The emperor's favourite. Named warmaster (first among equals). THEN became even more powerful ala chaos and effectively killed the emperor.
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2013/10/11 03:27:35
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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 Wilytank wrote:All around, Horus. Brilliant leader pre-Heresy. Skilled in combat too, he's killed Sanguinius and is said to be one of the only other primarchs to be Angron in a duel. And mortally wounded the Emperor himself.
that was not horus, that was horuses body, possessed by all 4 dark gods 
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
Purge the Unclean |
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2013/10/11 03:28:46
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Been Around the Block
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Horus was weak and super gullible though. He didn't have the mental fortitude to resist the temptations of Chaos.
Horus is without a doubt the most important primarch, but definitely not the most badass
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2013/10/11 03:31:23
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Let the record show that the thread title says "powerful", but the poll says "badass". These two terms are not mutually inclusive.
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Space Wolves: 3770
Orks: 3000
Chaos Daemons: 1750
Warriors of Chaos: 2000
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2013/10/11 03:38:53
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sorcererbob wrote:Hold on. How is it anyone other than Horus? First found. The emperor's favourite. Named warmaster (first among equals). THEN became even more powerful ala chaos and effectively killed the emperor.
He was skilled as Angron, and thus more than the other primarchs, but he had nowhere near the raw strength or durability.
Magnus would of just popped him like a zit with a psychic kamehameha .
Horus was the most balanced and well rounded, nothing more.
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2013/10/11 03:44:16
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Then how come he couldn't do that to Leman Russ?
TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
He was skilled as Angron, and thus more than the other primarchs, but he had nowhere near the raw strength or durability.
He was a lot less headstrong though. A more tactical approach to battle is much better than simple minded brute strength.
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2013/10/11 03:44:17
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Ahh if thats the case rogal dorn would get my vote.
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2013/10/11 03:46:00
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Been Around the Block
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Wilytank wrote:Let the record show that the thread title says "powerful", but the poll says "badass". These two terms are not mutually inclusive.
I'm viewing powerful being used in a purely martial context. Horus was incredibly skilled, but not the one with the most martial prowess.
If we are talking about power as in political power and effect, Horus is the clear winner. He had incredible charisma and the loyalty of his troops was beyond compare.
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2013/10/11 03:49:03
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Wilytank wrote:
Then how come he couldn't do that to Leman Russ?
TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
He was skilled as Angron, and thus more than the other primarchs, but he had nowhere near the raw strength or durability.
He was a lot less headstrong though. A more tactical approach to battle is much better than simple minded brute strength.
Russ' specialty was anti psyker abilities. His armor is covered in anti psyker runes on top of this.
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2013/10/11 04:36:04
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Can't be Horus, for all his gifts, he was a moral weakling, easily manipulated and led like a dog on the hunt
Can't be Angron, he could not progress beyond the single dimension that defined him
Can't be Mortarion, inability to see the bigger truth that he was saved from being wasted, and in turn became that which he hated most
Can't be Russ, he is the ultimate errand boy and axe man, but never aspired to more
Can't be Lorgar, that sad piece of filth's only bold move was betrayal. Locking him in as the cross between Loki and Commodos that he is
Can't be Fulgrim, his weakness was so easily turned as for it to be almost laughable in its malleability.
Can't be Vulcan, for all his ability he lacked the drive to succeed that defines all great ones
Can't be Corax, his shame led to failures. An inability to cope with setbacks removes him from play
Can't be Konrad, that damaged psyche could barely handle being, let alone doing
Can't be Peturabo his anger and resentment harnessed him to a sled of bitterness and limited his ability to achieve
Can't be Ferrus, like so many of his siblings, great offences and challenges gave him tunnel vision with fatal consequences
Can't be Magnus, the Adonis to Tzeentch's Artemis
Can't be the Lion whose hubris showed him a paper tiger
Can't be Khan, a noble loaner who could not aspire to challenges outside the Great Hunt
Can't be Alpharius Omegon who reasoned themselves into fruitless betrayals and overreached trying to legitimize their losing horse in the Cabal's stable
I see only Sanguinius: able to stare the end of immortality down and risk it all to save all
Or Dorn, his father's castellan and loyal commander of good in defiance of evil
Or Guilliman, whose accolades, successes and laurels outshine them all... And with the humility to walk away from the seductive siren of power when he had the Imperium as his realm.
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2013/10/11 05:26:10
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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If we're talking literal power, Magnus was at least an order of magnitude more powerful than any other Primarch.
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 Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2013/10/11 05:37:29
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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The Lion for punching Russ in the face.
I wouldn't.
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2013/10/11 07:02:07
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Konrad Curze, for being grim grimdark badass batman in the depths of grim, dark Nostramo.
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2013/10/11 07:34:26
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Yay, it's this thread again  I like these threads, it gives me a chance to push a button marked 'Russ', not that he wins everytime... If Magnus is the most powerful primarch, then Russ wins as he backbreakered Magnus and *actually* broke his back. Now Magnus appears in books as a big floating eye. And he keeps forgetting he's a super deamon primarch - must've been how hard Russ hit him. So Russ>Magnus. Angron might've beaten Russ up, but that doesn't cound as Russ wasn't trying. He was doing something even braver - Trying to teach Angron new tricks. Russ>Angron Russ even punched the Emperor (the emp was stopping him trying to get to horus) Russ>Emperor (althought the emp did hit him back and knocked Russ out for a week...) The Lion knocked Russ out, but he cheated by hitting Russ when he was laughing....Cos the Lion's stroppy. Russ>Lion The Lion does get points though for karate chopping Nemiel to death. Lion>Nemiel RUSS>Biscuits!
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 Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/11 07:53:35
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Magnus was the most powerful of the Primarchs. He could do literally anything. He knew what was up with the Heresy, knew how to stop it, and was able to break through the Emperor's earth defenses and warn him...
...Which was of course all a setup by Chaos that he realized too late. He got curbstomped by Russ because he knew he'd singlehandedly destroyed humanity's daemon defenses, betrayed his father, and ruined everything. He was offering himself and his legion up as penance.
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2013/10/11 08:02:58
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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 PredaKhaine wrote:If Magnus is the most powerful primarch, then Russ wins as he backbreakered Magnus and *actually* broke his back.
If Magnus went into that fight with the right mindset and at full psychic strength the outcome would've been very different. But, alas, the plot demanded Magnus lose.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2013/10/11 08:24:23
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Perturabo gets points for smashing Fulgrims face in. With his tiny working titan, which took him ages to build/fix
Lorgar has killed an Avatar, a super thirster and psychically dominated various primarchs after that.
I don't know what Mortarion has done - my 40k fu is weak on this one
Alpharius/Omegon is more of a schemer - I think this discounts him from being considered the best. Although his Legion is awesome.
Curze - four primarchs beaten up by GrimDarkBatman
Ferrus - his power for so long was the ability to charge in raging. Kinda discounts him in my eyes.
Corax beat Lorgar (in weak mode) but knew he'd die if he fought Angron on istvaan.
Vulkan - in vulcan lives, he seems very much like a junior primarch. Then he beats the snot out of Curze, so he goes up a few notches.
No-one knows how good the Khan is - unless his superpower is staying out of books, then I can't really count him as badass.
Angron. Nuff said.
Fulgrim kills two primarchs. Even while being a dandyish fop/snake demon.
Russ>coffee tables
Horus got super powered and beat Sanguinius, then went on to maim the emperor.
The Lion knocked the Russ out and kicked the gak out of Curze in four seconds in the Lion/Curze rematch.
Sanguinius beat a super 'thirster - he's not done a lot yet, I'd like to see him take on another primarch ot two just to see how good he is
Guilliman went up against Angron and Super Lorgar - and came out of it alive. Although he did get molested by Kor Phaeron.
Dorn - I'm not too sure what Dorn's done to claim badass or powerful.
What has Magnus done besides get things wrong?
He broke the demon defences at the palace, he thought he could out think Tzeentch, he broke the emperors decree at nikea, he tried to die nobly against Russ but couldn't bring himself to do that, then to save his marines (who he'd already fethed over by dedicating them to the god of change in order to stop them ...changing) he teleports them all onto a demon planet in the eye of terror.
I'm not sure he could plan ahead enough to beat a teabag. For saying his thing was knowledge, he didn't do much thinking, he just assumed a lot. And when you assume things...
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/11 08:31:31
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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I said "powerful", not "intelligent".
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2013/10/11 08:32:42
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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fair point 
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/11 08:56:26
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Horus is the most powerful after he was infused with Chaos. No question about it.
Runner up is Magnus. He took out a titan with psychic powers.
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2013/10/11 09:09:27
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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I am going to immediately discount any deamon primarchs. Thats essentially....because they have additional power as well as their norm.
So essentially comparing all the primarchs before the heresy. I would have to say that the Lion is probably my pick of the bunch. His tactical and strategical acumen is second to the big E's, he is pretty badass as well, taking out demons like nothing and killing a lord of change that was killing his best friend on crusade.
Second would have to be.....Fulgrim. He is a dandified fop with a machoistic streak.
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2013/10/11 09:10:24
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Aftermath. wrote:Horus is the most powerful after he was infused with Chaos. No question about it.
Runner up is Magnus. He took out a titan with psychic powers.
And Russ took Magnus out so we come full circle again
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/11 09:24:09
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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TheSaintofKilllers wrote:Sorcererbob wrote:Hold on. How is it anyone other than Horus? First found. The emperor's favourite. Named warmaster (first among equals). THEN became even more powerful ala chaos and effectively killed the emperor.
He was skilled as Angron, and thus more than the other primarchs, but he had nowhere near the raw strength or durability.
Magnus would of just popped him like a zit with a psychic kamehameha .
Horus was the most balanced and well rounded, nothing more.
Yup, Horus was the most well rounded, in the top two or three for most areas not the best at any one particular thing.
The Lion held himself back far too often, but he wasn't the only one to do this, doesn't help that he comes across as a bit of a numpty in the HH books.
Roubute never gets enough credit due to UM hate, while the others had conquered their home planet Roubute had conquered an entire system. Roubute is probably the most balanced out of all Primarchs after Horus.
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