Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Why did they make Koffing unobtainable? I really want one to supplement my TTar. Of all the pokemon they could pick to cut from Gen 6, they had to pick Koffing.

Just wait till december fafnir, not like its permament.

Startrotter dont forget to drop goomy a dragon move like draco meteor for the STAB. Had been thinking of a similar moveset, earthquaks still a good tm but hadnt thought about protect :p

Gen 5 is correct. Ah, and on a bummer couldn't get my laptop to route out so I'll just have to head out to add y'all and trade. Oh! And a tip. You can actually have a team of 12 and still not have to grind much. So if you like quite a few and can't fit them all in to a team of 6.. by all means! It will also help keep you a bit closer to enemy levels.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 doc1234 wrote:
Just wait till december fafnir, not like its permament.

Startrotter dont forget to drop goomy a dragon move like draco meteor for the STAB. Had been thinking of a similar moveset, earthquaks still a good tm but hadnt thought about protect :p

Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.

God dammit, looks like Slowpoke isn't available in the Safari either, so no generator. There goes another potential partner for TTar.

Waiting until december is fine and all, but I don't have a game from gen5 either, so even then, I'd have to beg for scraps.

Shuckles. Do you know if you can transfer from DP to the bank or not? (have no clue personally). If you want, I can try to get females or males of the two. They probably won't be exceptional but I can try to at least nab one. What I demand is the top percentage of rattatas :U (in all seriousness if you want them and don't have anybody giving you a better one just give me a pokemon you don't care about).

Well, you can transfer from DP to BW2, and from that to the pokemon bank, but you can't transfer directly from DP.

Slowpoke himself isn't the issue, it's that he needs regenerator to be useful. You can't get regenerator outside of the dreamworld, which is exclusive to gen5, unless he's in a safari that we don't know about yet. Additionally, once Dec. 10 comes along, the dreamworld will be shut down permanently. This means that, unless there's a new way added to get regenerator slowpoke, he could be forever unobtainable past that point.

It's a real shame, since Slowbro is one of my absolute favourite pokemon.

In the case of Koffing/Weezing, you can just transfer them from gen 5 with no issue. It's just that he happens to be the one restricted pokemon that I'd love to use. Him and Slowbro would fill essentially the same purpose in a core I want to try, but neither are available.

It's a shame, with all the new things added to make the metagame so much more interesting, they've gone and put all these restrictions in place that make it difficult to run anything interesting.

In fairness with this talk of them bringing more pokemon in as we go, sounds more like they're wiping the metagame slate so to speak with things like regen-poke but plan on perhaps making a new meta. Being the first 3ds release of it it'd make sense, and the games still new. Give it a few months and see what they do I guess.

Personally I wish they would have just incorporated the abilities such as regenerator into slowpoke from the get-go perhaps making the cahnces of first finding it extremely low to make up for that.

Pokemon always seems to give up some things and then add in others taking massive leaps forward but then a few steps back. Still trying to construct the rest of my team. It'll be relatively crazy until the new gen's meta gets smoothed out (sorry guys! Can't be expecting me to max iv and the sorts on a group of 10 pokemon and then find out 6 of the 10 are NU )

Big leaps forward is still forward least it's not completely stagnating. Plus the tiers are still vaguely resting out. I can see froakie staying fairly mid-low unless its protean with a good range of moves. Sylveon as popular as it seems to be doesn't seem to be able to put up much of a fight moveset wise. Bout the only setup i'v been able to see worth on it is Moonbeam, wish and hidden power (fighting) for some variation.

Biggest problem I see with Sylveon is her speed really isn't that grand. Gardevoir seems better for that as well as some others yet I can't help but feel fairy types might not have been made strong enough.

Exactly, for slow eeveelutions other than the bonus for dragon, you're better off with something like umbreon. It's slow but can at least use it to it's advantage with a set up like toxic/curse/payback/some heal move. curse+payback mainly use the low speed to it's advantage, with sylveon you're just kind of trying to keep up. That and at least gardevoir gets psychic as a type advantage too.

Florges also packs a better statline than Sylveon, making it almost completely outdone from the get-go.

Anyone have any suggestions for a good, physically bulky pokemon that can compliment Tyranitar? That's not Slowbro or Weezing.

Aegislash could be useful, but that I'd like to not be so hammered by ground. Gliscor might work, but that weakness to water might end up hurting me. A bulky Scizor or Gyarados could also be potent options...

 Fafnir wrote:
Florges also packs a better statline than Sylveon, making it almost completely outdone from the get-go.

Anyone have any suggestions for a good, physically bulky pokemon that can compliment Tyranitar? That's not Slowbro or Weezing.

Aegislash could be useful, but that I'd like to not be so hammered by ground. Gliscor might work.

Sylveons main problem i think was the hype, nintendo and the fandom REALLY pushed the release stuff before the game came out. Plus don't forget Mawile is a contendor just for the lack of decent joint steel/fairy weakness.

Last I heard aegislash was shaping up to be pretty top tier? What kind of types you short on?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
http://www.marriland.com/tools/team-builder

going to leave this here too actually.

that and it is eeveelution which pretty much always get hyped despite rarely being all that good. Now what I am particularly curious about is mega evolutions and how they will deal with them. It could easily become the weather spam of last gen.

 doc1234 wrote:

Sylveons main problem i think was the hype, nintendo and the fandom REALLY pushed the release stuff before the game came out. Plus don't forget Mawile is a contendor just for the lack of decent joint steel/fairy weakness.

Mawile will be good, but it'll fill a completely different Niche than Sylveon. They aren't really competing with one another.

Last I heard aegislash was shaping up to be pretty top tier? What kind of types you short on?

Aegislash is definitely good, but it also looks to be fairly predictable, and I'd also like to keep myself from becoming too vulnerable to earthquake.

Right now, I'm planning on running Assault vest specially bulky TTar and Mega Blastoise. AV TTar looks to be ridiculously resistant to special attacks, along the same vein as Blissey from the days of old (except he can actually hurt things), even able to take a Focus Blast to the face and still keep going. Megastoise looks to be a potent rapid spinner, with the capacity to take down any spin-blocker in one-on-one combat. In addition, he looks to be a powerful special attacker in his own right, with considerable bulk to boot.

With that in mind, I'd like to build my core around TTar. I need something with fairly good physical bulk that can run counter to the major threat of fighting attacks (this is where Slowbro and Weezing would end up kicking awesome amounts of ass), preferably while also covering other weaknesses of TTar's. Lastly, a third part could be added onto the core to support both of them, most probably in the form of wish/heal bell support.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
http://www.marriland.com/tools/team-builder

going to leave this here too actually.

Keep in mind that this website, despite displaying fairy type in the listing, only accounts for the 5th gen type chart (including Steel having resistances to dark and ghost types, which it no longer does), and also does not take into account abilities like Levitate or Thick Fat.

Thats the problem with monotypes, plus the eeveelution base stats aren't exactly amazing.

As for the megas, wait and see. As amazing as they are, all it'd take is something like trick room or thief or something (yet to test btw) to stop the held item from being used, then you have a regular mawile/lucario/whatever without a held item, plus as far as i'm aware you can only have 1 mega going at a time and the weakness charts are still in effect.

I can see all but a small handful of the megas either being thrown under the awesome but impractical pile, or them being so OP it becomes somewhat bad form to bring them along. Can't say i'v any intention of using them though either way.

 StarTrotter wrote:
that and it is eeveelution which pretty much always get hyped despite rarely being all that good. Now what I am particularly curious about is mega evolutions and how they will deal with them. It could easily become the weather spam of last gen.

Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Jolteon were amazing back in the day, and Espeon's found a great niche with Magic Bounce.

It's just that the power creep has tended to prove too much for them as generations have gone on. Umbreon fell to UU with the last generation, being almost completely outclassed, and it looks like Vaporeon and Jolteon will be facing the same fate. Espeon's future is somewhat up in the air.

It's just a shame that none of the new eeveelutions past GSC could prove to be any good. But at least none of them are Flareon bad.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 doc1234 wrote:

As for the megas, wait and see. As amazing as they are, all it'd take is something like trick room or thief or something (yet to test btw) to stop the held item from being used,

Doesn't work. Mega stones can't be removed or switched. And trick room does not stop items from being used, it only reverses speed order.

@fafnir Had missed that about the link, only knew that they were in the process of updating.

Not sure how mawile and sylveon are filling different niches though, both bringing fairy to the field, but mawile at least has the weaknesses covered somewhat and can bring a bit extra with it? Plus a mega evolution (however amazingly they end up meta wise anyway).

Megawile is a bulky physical attacker, while Sylveon is a special attacker/special wall/special-based support pokemon. They both have great typing and piss-poor speed, but that's where the similarities end, really.

 StarTrotter wrote:
Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.

Draco Meteor would be a bad choice paired with Sludge Bomb (which you suggested before) as it basically means you are screwed against Steels.

Planning on a core team of Scizor (my all time favorite period) TTay and Megatoise. It's not a perfect core but they should be able to bulkily cover one another. What the team will desperately need is a pair of sweeps to bring the speed those three lack (my obvious choices being Mega Gengar or maybe Mega Gardevoir)

BTw Fafnir, its been confirmed now that males and females can pass the hidden/DW abilities and they can pass them via a ditto! This is a huge boon to breeders and propogating these abilities. My suggestion is to obtain a pokemon with an ability someone will want if you don't ahve one and go to Smogon's wifi forums and offer trades for a slowpoke with regenerator. There are many prominent breeders on smogon who might trade a baby with the ability for a newer mon come december.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.

Draco Meteor would be a bad choice paired with Sludge Bomb (which you suggested before) as it basically means you are screwed against Steels.

Yeah but honestly I'm trying to figure out what exactly to have in there. Infestation is to lock in an enemy pokemon so they can't swap out, toxic is self explainatory, protect to let them continue to be whittled away.... and then what of the last? That leaves one move left. Draco Meteor is generally a painful attack combined with a pretty good base S. attk. That being said, it loses power with each shot and a popular defense typing is resistant whilst a new typing (which we don't know how well it will work in the meta) entirely resists them. Fire blast is a possibility being effective against steel types. At the same time, water is somewhat common and it doesn't have the best accuracy. Sludge wave is a back up incase of items or even shed skin (same for sludge bomb). Along with that, it would help counter fairy types. At the same time thoug, steel absolutely ignores it, ghost, ground, and rock also don't care much for it and generally not that many super effectives there. Then there is Focus Blast. It is massive damage but low pp as well as low accuracy. Finally, fighting is an option as several of its bad match ups aren't that popular. With that being stated though, psychic and (worse yet) fairy resist it, ghost entirely ignores it as well. On a plus dark types, ice types, and steel types fall to the attack.

(on megas I have a hunch mega blaziken and mega gengar are gonna be ubers)

 LordofHats wrote:
Planning on a core team of Scizor (my all time favorite period) TTay and Megatoise. It's not a perfect core but they should be able to bulkily cover one another. What the team will desperately need is a pair of sweeps to bring the speed those three lack (my obvious choices being Mega Gengar or maybe Mega Gardevoir)

BTw Fafnir, its been confirmed now that males and females can pass the hidden/DW abilities and they can pass them via a ditto! This is a huge boon to breeders and propogating these abilities. My suggestion is to obtain a pokemon with an ability someone will want if you don't ahve one and go to Smogon's wifi forums and offer trades for a slowpoke with regenerator. There are many prominent breeders on smogon who might trade a baby with the ability for a newer mon come december.

But I want Slowbro noooooooooooow!


Well, I think I've figured out my plans for a new core: Tyranitar, Gliscor, and Aegislash. With Megastoise as my rapid spinner, that should cover a lot of threats right there. The focus is less on straight up offense, and more on bulk. For my last two slots, I'm going to need someone to abuse entry hazards, and someone to act as support.

Galvantula could be good, with sticky web being insane this gen, but stealth rock's own ridiculously OP nature might prove more important for this team loadout (for the record, I absolutely hate SR for being so insanely dominant, but it's just too good not to use. I honestly hope it gets banned), since the entire team is built to tank hits anyway, and Aegislash likes to go last. Either way, it would probably have to run as a lead, since nothing listed above would fill that roll.

For a support, something with wish/heal bell would be the ideal. Some bulk would be ideal. Togekiss looks to be a fairly natural choice, but stealth rock will always present a threat, even with megastoise spinning up a storm.

(yeah I concur it is too good not to use. I was hoping they would nerf it. At least the others are a bit more restrained or need longer build up)

Anyways, might I rudely ask if anybody knows what to do next? I've established wifi yet from there I am lost. My ds won't connect to it and, when going out, I hunted for wifi yet it seemed adamant in refusing to let me connect online.

Odd, normally it auto connects once you hit the wifi button or connect to the GTS? (the wifi at the top of the touch screen i mean)

 StarTrotter wrote:
(yeah I concur it is too good not to use. I was hoping they would nerf it. At least the others are a bit more restrained or need longer build up)

Anyways, might I rudely ask if anybody knows what to do next? I've established wifi yet from there I am lost. My ds won't connect to it and, when going out, I hunted for wifi yet it seemed adamant in refusing to let me connect online.

Have you registers the network in the DS settings?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
It took me 3 days but I did it. A ditto with a 31 in a stat for each stat. I'm going to go check to see if the world is still there. Be back later XD

@Star; in my past experiences, trying to lock an enemy in and then setting up a stall doesn't work as well as it sounds since it takes more turns to set up, and it will only work once against a half-decent opponent.

Also, given that regular Blaziken with Speed Boost was Uber in Gen5 I'd say you are right about the Mega.

@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:


@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.

That's fine don't even remember asking for one XD

Smogon btw everyone has a chatroom simply for trading friend codes for safari. Got myself quite a few and am now running around trying to get a hidden ability abra. Damn things more elusive than those dittos.

So, I was wondering: With the traded Torchic having boosted exp., does that also then increase the amount of exp. that other pokemon in the party get through Exp. Share?

I went through the 4th Gym after getting the Mega-ring and Blaziken soloed that Gym by himself. But both my Wartortle and Quilladin gained 3-4 levels just by Exp. Share (and evolved, which is great since I love how Megatoise looks).

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
@Star; in my past experiences, trying to lock an enemy in and then setting up a stall doesn't work as well as it sounds since it takes more turns to set up, and it will only work once against a half-decent opponent.

Also, given that regular Blaziken with Speed Boost was Uber in Gen5 I'd say you are right about the Mega.

@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.

And gengar because of his natural ability
Anyways, I wasn't entirely sure either. I'm just trying to figure out how to possibly even make goodra work. I earnestly have no clue how to make her that good. She has a preposterously good SD but her def is lacking and health is meh. Her speed is decent and her physical attack is ok whilst her sp attk is pretty good. She certainly can't become a real sweeper. At best she could be a tanky enemy breaker used to kill foes that are hard to kill through a combo of s def and strong attacks to not worry about lower speed. So she can become a tank but at the moment we don't know of egg moves and the sorts.