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Thats the same logo in the 7th BRB.

So I am updating my painted and ready for battle numbers to offer them up for more list building in 7th from this august body of experts:
Canoness
Saint Celestine
Priests (x5)
Sisters Superior (x10)
Battle Sisters with Bolters (x37)
Battle Sisters with Melta Gun (x12)
Battle Sisters with Flamer (x4)
Battle Sister with Heavy Bolter (x4)
Battle Sisters with Storm Bolter (x3)
Battle Sisters with Heavy Flamer (x6)
Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis (x2)
Seraphim Superior (x2)
Seraphim with Hand Flamers (x4)
Seraphim (x14)
Repentia Mistress
Repentia (x7)
Hospitillar
Dialogus
Immolator (x3)
Rhino (x5)
Exorcists (x2)

Going to be facing Tau and Necrons and Space Marines over the next few months. 1500 point battles mostly.

Cheers,

CB

Captain Brown wrote:
So I am updating my painted and ready for battle numbers to offer them up for more list building in 7th from this august body of experts:
...
Cheers,

CB

My very humble submission:

Adepta Sororitas CAD:

HQ:
Celestine (GS1:FoC)-------------200

TROOPS:
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40

FAST ATTACK:
Dominion Squad, 4x Melta-----105
Dominion Squad, 4x Melta-----105
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40
Seraphim Squad, 2x hand F----95

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Exorcist-----------------------------125
Exorcist-----------------------------125
Retributor Squad, 4x HB-------100
DediTrans:Rhino-----------------40

Total---------------------------------1495

That's a great list from dakkasister. I'd maybe drop the HB Rets' Rhino in exchange for a Simulcrum and a bullet catcher or two, which will help against the 3+ saves and long range threats you'll be facing. Also consider giving at least one Immo to your Doms to scout them into range of the melta rule. Depending on how much high AV your listed opponents bring (Land Raiders, Monoliths), it might be useful.

Welcome back to the Sisters scene!

I'd drop the rets rhino and use the 40 pts to make the 3 immos Repressors. I don't ever use rets unless the're in a building. Or, if you stick with Immos, give them to your dominions so when you go first you scout them up 12, move 6 on turn 1 and all of a sudden you're in melta range. The seraphim are usually underperforming units, but damned if I don't love them.

 deviantduck wrote:
I'd drop the rets rhino and use the 40 pts to make the 3 immos Repressors. I don't ever use rets unless the're in a building. Or, if you stick with Immos, give them to your dominions so when you go first you scout them up 12, move 6 on turn 1 and all of a sudden you're in melta range. The seraphim are usually underperforming units, but damned if I don't love them.

The list was built with Captain Brown's list of models he has ready and painted.

Rationale for putting Dominions in a rhino instead of immo: rhino has 2 fire points instead of 1, and this way your melta threats are more spread out, giving your opponent more issues with deciding what to shoot at, whereas an immo TLMM carrying dominions is the obvious higher priority.

btw Captain Brown if you don't have the new Celestine body guards maybe you can use the two Seraphim Superiors to represent them.

Do you have any forts? Bastion, etc?


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As for the Seraphim, I would drop them and take a blob of sisters with a few priests instead of a Seraph squad.

dakkasisterxoxo wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
I'd drop the rets rhino and use the 40 pts to make the 3 immos Repressors. I don't ever use rets unless the're in a building. Or, if you stick with Immos, give them to your dominions so when you go first you scout them up 12, move 6 on turn 1 and all of a sudden you're in melta range. The seraphim are usually underperforming units, but damned if I don't love them.

The list was built with Captain Brown's list of models he has ready and painted.

Rationale for putting Dominions in a rhino instead of immo: rhino has 2 fire points instead of 1, and this way your melta threats are more spread out, giving your opponent more issues with deciding what to shoot at, whereas an immo TLMM carrying dominions is the obvious higher priority.

btw Captain Brown if you don't have the new Celestine body guards maybe you can use the two Seraphim Superiors to represent them.

My bad. I missed the part where he said 'only build from this list'. Often my reading comprehension is that of an ork on meth.

I... I just really hate immolators.


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I'm also currently butthurt about no repressors in castellans for ITC.

Hmm... Hadn't thought about the benefits of Rhinos for Dominions since I haven't converted my Repressors yet.
May switch up my purchases.

 deviantduck wrote:

I'm also currently butthurt about no repressors in castellans for ITC.

Not understanding. If you take your sisters units from AS, you can take Repressors for them, even if it is castellans. Or did they rule on this?

 pretre wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

I'm also currently butthurt about no repressors in castellans for ITC.

Not understanding. If you take your sisters units from AS, you can take Repressors for them, even if it is castellans. Or did they rule on this?

From the ITC 2017 FAQ:
"Does the Castellans of the Imperium allow the use of forgeworld models? Vendettas, etc.
No. You can only use the specific models listed in GSI: Fall of Cadia."

Which is confusing in itself because Vendetta from Codex Astra Militarum is specifically listed, unless there are forgeworld rules for Vendetta that I don't know about which they're referring to?

From the Castellans formation:
"You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet."

So does Codex Adepta Sororitas say Dominions can take Repressor as DT or is it just Imperial Armor 2 that says in Repressor can be taken as DT by Domions?

Just IA2... repressors aren't spelled out on any of the Datasheets in the CAS.

IA2 says that you can take it as a DT for any unit from C:AS. The Castellan FAQ is for taking things separately. I.e. you can't take repressors as FA choices for Castellans, but you can take them as DT.

Ask your TO though.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Hmm... Hadn't thought about the benefits of Rhinos for Dominions since I haven't converted my Repressors yet.
May switch up my purchases.

I only use the Rhinos. Staying mobile and reasonably aggressive is kind of a thing for Sisters of Battle. Rhinos or Repressors are the two I would still chooce, but Immolators got better, one must admit, with that firing point.

 pretre wrote:
IA2 says that you can take it as a DT for any unit from C:AS. The Castellan FAQ is for taking things separately. I.e. you can't take repressors as FA choices for Castellans, but you can take them as DT.

Ask your TO though.

It's pretty clear in Fall of Cadia under the Castellans formation.

"You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet. Each entry will include an abbreviated reference to the codex, publication or dataslate where their appropriate datasheet can be found, denoted as follows:
...
Codex: Adepta Sororitas - 'AS'
...
Codex: Imperial Agents - 'IA'
...
[next page] Dominion Squad (AS/IA)"

Neither of those datasheets mention Repressor as a DT. I don't see any way to rationalize how one could be brought, ITC or otherwise.

good point

 dakkasisterxoxo wrote:

 pretre wrote:
IA2 says that you can take it as a DT for any unit from C:AS. The Castellan FAQ is for taking things separately. I.e. you can't take repressors as FA choices for Castellans, but you can take them as DT.

Ask your TO though.

It's pretty clear in Fall of Cadia under the Castellans formation.

"You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet. Each entry will include an abbreviated reference to the codex, publication or dataslate where their appropriate datasheet can be found, denoted as follows:
...
Codex: Adepta Sororitas - 'AS'
...
Codex: Imperial Agents - 'IA'
...
[next page] Dominion Squad (AS/IA)"

Neither of those datasheets mention Repressor as a DT. I don't see any way to rationalize how one could be brought, ITC or otherwise.

IA2 adds the repressor to the datasheet.

"You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet. Each entry will include an abbreviated reference to the codex, publication or dataslate where their appropriate datasheet can be found, denoted as follows: "

I read that as saying: GS1 has snippets you can use as references that point to the real, full, correct datasheet found in each codex/book/etc.

and IA2 says that the repressor is in the codex as a DT.

So... yea, granted I'm biased, but it doesn't seem to break the logic, not that I reread it.

 deviantduck wrote:
"You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet. Each entry will include an abbreviated reference to the codex, publication or dataslate where their appropriate datasheet can be found, denoted as follows: "

I read that as saying: GS1 has snippets you can use as references that point to the real, full, correct datasheet found in each codex/book/etc.

and IA2 says that the repressor is in the codex as a DT.

So... yea, granted I'm biased, but it doesn't seem to break the logic, not that I reread it.

Interesting points guys. Let's look at what IA2 says, per the Repressor page that Pretre posted a couple pages back:
"A Repressor is a Dedicated Transport choice for a Codex: Sisters of Battle army."

I think it would take a pretty lenient opponent/TO to grant that phrase as valid. I think there are 2 hurdles. 1: It doesn't actually say it adds anything to C:SoB. But you could argue the phrase is understood or interpreted to effectively add the Repressor to C:SoB (and thus by virtue of update C:AS). 2: The army in question is now a GS1:FoC Castellan's army rather than a SoB army. I don't know what I'd argue here.

So my buddy who is a frequent TO emailed ITC:
Sisters of Battle repressors are stated as dedicated transports for codex Sisters of Battle. Do these transports carry over into the Castellans formation?

Response:
You can only take units listed in the formation. Dedicated transports can be taken if a unit in the formation has access to the them.


So I'm satisfied.

Seemed pretty obvious to me.

You can only fill force organization slots with the units listed.

Dedicated transports do not take force org slots.

Glad to see it's been cleared up from a tournament standpoint

clarity is good.

This is also the same ITC that says:

Do units, like a Space Marine Captain on Bike, that change another units “type” still change that units type in a Castellans formation (e.g. White Scars bikes as troops?)

No.


While Adepticon says:

Characters that modify the Force Organization Slots apply their changes to units included in a Castellan detachment. For example, a Space Marine Captain on a bike will make bike units troop choices in a Castellan Detachment.

Taikishi wrote:
This is also the same ITC that says:

Do units, like a Space Marine Captain on Bike, that change another units “type” still change that units type in a Castellans formation (e.g. White Scars bikes as troops?)

No.


While Adepticon says:

Characters that modify the Force Organization Slots apply their changes to units included in a Castellan detachment. For example, a Space Marine Captain on a bike will make bike units troop choices in a Castellan Detachment.

Adepticon is like the wild west, though.

dakkasisterxoxo wrote:

My very humble submission:

Adepta Sororitas CAD:

HQ:
Celestine (GS1:FoC)-------------200

TROOPS:
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
BSS, HF, F--------------------------75
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Immo TLMM---------60
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40

FAST ATTACK:
Dominion Squad, 4x Melta-----105
Dominion Squad, 4x Melta-----105
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40
DediTrans:Rhino------------------40
Seraphim Squad, 2x hand F----95

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Exorcist-----------------------------125
Exorcist-----------------------------125
Retributor Squad, 4x HB-------100
DediTrans:Rhino-----------------40

Total---------------------------------1495

Thank you for the sample list dakkasisterxoxo. Interesting thoughts on Rhinos.

MacPhail wrote:That's a great list from dakkasister. I'd maybe drop the HB Rets' Rhino in exchange for a Simulcrum and a bullet catcher or two, which will help against the 3+ saves and long range threats you'll be facing. Also consider giving at least one Immo to your Doms to scout them into range of the melta rule. Depending on how much high AV your listed opponents bring (Land Raiders, Monoliths), it might be useful.

Welcome back to the Sisters scene!

Thanks MacPhail.

pretre wrote:Do you have any forts? Bastion, etc?


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As for the Seraphim, I would drop them and take a blob of sisters with a few priests instead of a Seraph squad.

Sorry no Bastions or Forts.

Now I am working on 3 more Immolators as I am pretty well entirely old metal models. I may build a magnetized upgrade to make them Repressors if I so choose. My local group has always been afraid of including FW (until I walk them through the points you pay for FW models...but it seems to be something that must be agreed for every battle).

Great stuff as I have a list to play around with and generated some discussion on the Tactica. Now I need to dream up a conversion for the old Mark I Immolators...something more than just adding a Dozer Blade...

Cheers,

CB

Out of curiosity, is there any good reason to take a CAD for sisters now, over a Castellans detachment with Coteaz? The benefits seem to hugely outweight the cost unless you're doing a tiny army. The only real downside I can see is that you don't get access to Fortifications, which does suck, but you get armywide Hatred, armywide ObjSec, and regenerating troops, for practically no tax - Coteaz is great in any army, and helps mitigate the sting of losing first turn to a Seize, and four troops over too isn't that bad for Sisters, who spam special and heavy weapons anyways.

I play with a cad

I play with a cad, because I pair my sisters with Blood Angels who cannot be in the Castellans. Similarly, if you wanted to play with Grey Knights, Death Watch, Dark Angels or have a fortification you play with a CAD.
Coteaz and Celestine and a bunch of sisters is great (even just 4 MSU BSS), but you don't really have the points left over for much of anything.

I played Castellans at an event and did really well, but I don't know that Castellans had much to do with that. I only regenned one unit all day.

 pretre wrote:
I played Castellans at an event and did really well, but I don't know that Castellans had much to do with that. I only regenned one unit all day.

Centurion star with Ignores Cover had a LOT to do with it. As did Celestine. Lol.